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WCS EU - Ro32 Group A Preview (Season 2)

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WCS EU - Ro32 Group A Preview (Season 2)

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May 12th, 2014 21:33 GMT
2014 WCS

WCS Europe Season 2
Premier League



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Ro32: Group A Preview

(P)Welmu, (T)DeMusliM, (Z)Nerchio, (Z)Stephano
Countdown:


by Trasko

After an exciting first season that provided us with captivating stories and plenty of memorable moments, we're ready to move onto WCS Europe Premier League Season 2. The Ro32 is starting off strong right out of the gates, bringing us a group full of savvy veterans and fan favorites. There are sure to be plenty of cheers as well tears at the end of the night.

(Z)EG.Stephano may not be the best player in the group, but he's the one who commands the most attention. The French Zerg may still consider himself to be technically "retired," but it didn't stop him from steamrolling through the WCS Europe qualifiers, defeating defeating uzer 2-0, DIMAGA 2-1, and finally DeMusliM 2-1 to make it to the Challenger League. He then moved on to take out Slovenia's star player Starbuck 3-1 in the Challenger League, earning a return to the Premier League in his first attempt after he said farewell two seasons ago.

Swarm Hosts are one of the hottest topics within the current meta game, and Stephano may be the player who has singlehandedly brought the most attention to the unit's perceived problems. He is fully willing to exploit their ability to stall and prolong games, and is patient enough to see out a seemingly stalemated game to its bitter end. This tactic works especially well in ZvZ – in fact recently we even saw Stephano take two games off Jaedong, the ZvZ master, at Lone Star Clash 3. More infamously, he won a 2+ hour game against Petraeus at the same tournament, simply because he had more patience.


Watch this game... or maybe not.

Yet what seems to be Stephano's Achilles' heel is when his opponent denies him from executing the one strategy he so enjoys. Stephano's downfall could be his ZvT, which makes sense as Swarm Hosts are not too viable in the match up at the pro level. Of course, Stephano being Stephano, he still managed to defeat DeMusliM during the EU qualifiers (also whilst enjoying some popcorn... in stream matches), and didn't look too shabby in defeat against Bomber at LSC3. It's very hard to tell what Stephano's ceiling is given the odd relationship he has with SC2 at the time. What we know is we can never count out the man who has pulled off many miracles in the past.

Thankfully for viewers who don't want to be watching WCS until 1AM, the second Zerg in the group is as adverse to using Swarm Hosts as Stephano is fond of them. (Z)Acer.Nerchio didn't mind abusing masses of free units in the BL-infestor days, riding the composition to become the top Zerg in Europe behind Stephano (a title he contested with VortiX at times). However, he's had a rougher time in HotS, unable to make it back to the top with his more 'conscientious' unit compositions. He's still a regular in the Premier League, playing in four of five seasons, but has only made it to the Ro8 once (that being his highest finish in the entire HotS era).

Nerchio hasn't been that visible since his WCS Season 1 run was ended by MC in the Ro16, only recently playing some games in Acer TeamStory Cup and Fragbite Masters. Coming in with recent losses to Kas and ForGG, and a ZvP game that hasn't looked very good in HotS, ZvZ might be Nerchio's only saving grace as he chases second place in this group.

Second place? Well, that's because I believe first place has already been locked up by (P)NrS.Welmu. The Finnish Protoss has been continued to slowly improve since his debut, and has become one of Europe's best Protoss players and most formidable Korean killers. Whether it's all-killing the GEM bounty hunters, eliminating RorO from DreamHack, or taking out HyuN and San in Fragbite Masters, Welmu has proven he has the skill to take down any of Koreans in WCS Europe on his best day. It would be a huge upset he were to fall here in the round of 32.

Welmu ended his last WCS season in the Ro8, suffering a rough 0-3 defeat at the hands of San. He comes into this tournament with hopes of making it just as far, or going even further this time around. He's yet to win a major title in his career, but he has all the potential to make it happen this season if the chips fall his way.

The last player in the group is one who has recently started taking mini steps that may build up into what could be one big step in his career. The British Terran player (T)EG.DeMusliM returned to Europe earlier this year with an eye on casting and playing in WCS Europe. As ToD has demonstrated to us, being a part-time caster doesn't necessarily have to interfere with one's improvement as a player. DeMusliM appears to be on a similar track, getting lauded for his commentary at recent DreamHack events while blazing a path through the qualifiers all the way into WCS Europe Premier League. DeMusliM making it to the Premier League was somewhat surprising giving the disappointing results he produced in WCS America, so it will be interesting to see how far his European revival will take him this season.

Prediction: As stated above, Welmu will probably take first place. As for second place, the three remaining players all have mixed (or in some cases, almost nonexistent) results in the recent months, and any one of them could potentially earn a ticket to the Ro16. Call me crazy, but since Stephano has shown that he is more than capable of taking games fairly easily against DeMusliM AND the fact that his Swarm Host ZvZ style has proved to be rather successful, I will put the 'retired' Frenchman as the top contender for second place.

Welmu > DeMusliM
Nerchio < Stephano
Welmu > Stephano
DeMuslim < Nerchio
Stephano > Nerchio

Welmu and Stephano advance.


Writers: Trasko.
Photos: ESL.
Editors: Waxangel.

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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 12 2014 21:53 GMT
#2
Welmu will stomp and Nerchio ZvZ prevail. That is my design
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
May 12 2014 22:08 GMT
#3
Wrong prediction. Nerchio ezpz
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
May 12 2014 22:13 GMT
#4
On May 13 2014 07:08 Nerchio wrote:
Wrong prediction. Nerchio ezpz


Prove me wrong! I hope you advance ^^
Jaedong <3
Josh_Video
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada798 Posts
May 12 2014 22:19 GMT
#5
It will be Welmu/Nerchio. No doubts.
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Winterhearted
Profile Joined October 2012
Ukraine28 Posts
May 12 2014 22:40 GMT
#6
Nerchio and Stephano will advance.
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
May 12 2014 22:42 GMT
#7
Nerchio/Welmu
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
May 12 2014 22:55 GMT
#8
Welmu has been looking a little shaky lately, but I think he will advance second behind Nerchio. I feel like now that Stephano has had his moment to come back and show us he is still at a good level, he might not try as hard and honorably allow the other players to take RO16.

...Or he might just 4-0 the group. Wouldn't put it passed him.
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
May 12 2014 23:45 GMT
#9
On May 13 2014 06:53 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Welmu will stomp and Nerchio ZvZ prevail. That is my design

Do you watch Hannibal or are you just using some random catchphrase?
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 13 2014 00:07 GMT
#10
On May 13 2014 08:45 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 06:53 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Welmu will stomp and Nerchio ZvZ prevail. That is my design

Do you watch Hannibal or are you just using some random catchphrase?


I'm a big fan of Boundz(DarKo)'s writings and I would like to take this opportunity to wish you a happy tomorrow birthday
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
wrier
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada291 Posts
May 13 2014 00:20 GMT
#11
My brain says Nerchio and Welmu, but my heart and my gut are screaming Stephano. I usually don't have time to watch WCS EU (on when I'm at work) but I will definitely watch the VOD's of this one cheering Stephano on the whole way.
MonkeyKing_slk
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16 Posts
May 13 2014 00:21 GMT
#12
ROFL this game was so insane. Petreaus typed out GG at last because of the nature's call?
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
May 13 2014 00:27 GMT
#13
On May 13 2014 09:07 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 08:45 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
On May 13 2014 06:53 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Welmu will stomp and Nerchio ZvZ prevail. That is my design

Do you watch Hannibal or are you just using some random catchphrase?


I'm a big fan of Boundz(DarKo)'s writings and I would like to take this opportunity to wish you a happy tomorrow birthday

Thanks! My brithday is not for about another 4 hours, but I still appreciate it

I found that post hilarious too.
MysterySC
Profile Joined October 2012
Andorra109 Posts
May 13 2014 00:27 GMT
#14
Fully agree with the predictions here. Welmu stephano make it out... One thing i dont agree with is demuslim being a good caster
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IronL
Profile Joined January 2012
United States34 Posts
May 13 2014 00:34 GMT
#15
Knock 'em dead Demu,
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 13 2014 00:46 GMT
#16
Nerchio
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
May 13 2014 00:58 GMT
#17
Welmu/Nerchio imo. Pretty tough group across the board though
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 13 2014 00:59 GMT
#18
Thinking Welmu + Nerchio. Hoping for Nerchio + Demuslim
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33503 Posts
May 13 2014 01:46 GMT
#19
On May 13 2014 07:08 Nerchio wrote:
Wrong prediction. Nerchio ezpz


ROFL, this guy....

[image loading]
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Adept
Profile Joined December 2009
United States472 Posts
May 13 2014 03:28 GMT
#20
Hoping for Welmu and DeMuslim!
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
May 13 2014 03:35 GMT
#21
I hope Welmu will advance.
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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
May 13 2014 04:48 GMT
#22
Hoping for Demuslim Stephano. Most likely Nerchio and Welmu coming out though
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
May 13 2014 05:45 GMT
#23
Stephano in da house!Can't wait :D
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
May 13 2014 08:58 GMT
#24
On May 13 2014 06:33 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Thankfully for viewers who don't want to be watching WCS until 1AM, the second Zerg in the group is as adverse to using Swarm Hosts as Stephano is fond of them. (Z)Acer.Nerchio didn't mind abusing masses of free units in the BL-infestor days, riding the composition to become the top Zerg in Europe behind Stephano (a title he contested with VortiX at times). However, he's had a rougher time in HotS, unable to make it back to the top with his more 'conscientious' unit compositions.


I don't think, that this does Nerchio justice, he was considered the best zerg outside of korea by many, long before the BL/infestor composition existed and also before Stephano himself rised. The amout of online domination shown by Nerchio at times in 2011 was incredible.
Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
May 13 2014 08:59 GMT
#25
On May 13 2014 10:46 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 07:08 Nerchio wrote:
Wrong prediction. Nerchio ezpz


ROFL, this guy....

[image loading]


haha epic
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v_lm
Profile Joined September 2012
France202 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-13 09:03:50
May 13 2014 09:03 GMT
#26
I'll go ahead and pick Nerchio and Stephano 'cause they're entertaining and zergs.
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Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
May 13 2014 09:14 GMT
#27
On May 13 2014 17:58 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 06:33 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Thankfully for viewers who don't want to be watching WCS until 1AM, the second Zerg in the group is as adverse to using Swarm Hosts as Stephano is fond of them. (Z)Acer.Nerchio didn't mind abusing masses of free units in the BL-infestor days, riding the composition to become the top Zerg in Europe behind Stephano (a title he contested with VortiX at times). However, he's had a rougher time in HotS, unable to make it back to the top with his more 'conscientious' unit compositions.


I don't think, that this does Nerchio justice, he was considered the best zerg outside of korea by many, long before the BL/infestor composition existed and also before Stephano himself rised. The amout of online domination shown by Nerchio at times in 2011 was incredible.


Yes but many players have had 'online domination' with minimal offline success. In 2012 Nerchio won a Dreamhack and Home Story Cup. So no doubt he was successful and had his moments. But after IPL in 2011 when Stephano emerged and rose to the top, Stephano would almost always be favoured. This continued until the day Stephano 'retired'. It was an arms race between the two (and VortiX) but Stephano was almost always on top.
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Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
May 13 2014 09:27 GMT
#28
Stephano isn't only deafeating others, he is defeating defeating
WCS Europe qualifiers, defeating defeating uzer 2-0,
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
May 13 2014 09:31 GMT
#29
Go go Nerchio!
Year of MaxPax
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
May 13 2014 09:32 GMT
#30
What a great group, so looking forward to it!
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 13 2014 09:36 GMT
#31
On May 13 2014 18:14 Trasko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 17:58 Xoronius wrote:
On May 13 2014 06:33 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Thankfully for viewers who don't want to be watching WCS until 1AM, the second Zerg in the group is as adverse to using Swarm Hosts as Stephano is fond of them. (Z)Acer.Nerchio didn't mind abusing masses of free units in the BL-infestor days, riding the composition to become the top Zerg in Europe behind Stephano (a title he contested with VortiX at times). However, he's had a rougher time in HotS, unable to make it back to the top with his more 'conscientious' unit compositions.


I don't think, that this does Nerchio justice, he was considered the best zerg outside of korea by many, long before the BL/infestor composition existed and also before Stephano himself rised. The amout of online domination shown by Nerchio at times in 2011 was incredible.


Yes but many players have had 'online domination' with minimal offline success. In 2012 Nerchio won a Dreamhack and Home Story Cup. So no doubt he was successful and had his moments. But after IPL in 2011 when Stephano emerged and rose to the top, Stephano would almost always be favoured. This continued until the day Stephano 'retired'. It was an arms race between the two (and VortiX) but Stephano was almost always on top.


It is not about him against Stephano, it is the "riding the composition to become the top Zerg in Europe" part. He already was that.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
IMScientist
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy125 Posts
May 13 2014 09:40 GMT
#32
Hmm Welmu and Nerchio but it chould be Stephano if he plays like he did vs JD
This guy plays like he was sent down from heavens
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
May 13 2014 09:40 GMT
#33
On May 13 2014 18:36 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 18:14 Trasko wrote:
On May 13 2014 17:58 Xoronius wrote:
On May 13 2014 06:33 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Thankfully for viewers who don't want to be watching WCS until 1AM, the second Zerg in the group is as adverse to using Swarm Hosts as Stephano is fond of them. (Z)Acer.Nerchio didn't mind abusing masses of free units in the BL-infestor days, riding the composition to become the top Zerg in Europe behind Stephano (a title he contested with VortiX at times). However, he's had a rougher time in HotS, unable to make it back to the top with his more 'conscientious' unit compositions.


I don't think, that this does Nerchio justice, he was considered the best zerg outside of korea by many, long before the BL/infestor composition existed and also before Stephano himself rised. The amout of online domination shown by Nerchio at times in 2011 was incredible.


Yes but many players have had 'online domination' with minimal offline success. In 2012 Nerchio won a Dreamhack and Home Story Cup. So no doubt he was successful and had his moments. But after IPL in 2011 when Stephano emerged and rose to the top, Stephano would almost always be favoured. This continued until the day Stephano 'retired'. It was an arms race between the two (and VortiX) but Stephano was almost always on top.


It is not about him against Stephano, it is the "riding the composition to become the top Zerg in Europe" part. He already was that.


But like I said. He didn't have any major titles until the composition started going into fashion. I'm not saying he used it every single game but him along with many other Zergs used the strategy to great success.
Jaedong <3
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
May 13 2014 10:36 GMT
#34
From IPL 3 until WCS EU 2012 Stephano was always considered as "best foreigner zerg". His prime time was IPL3 (September 2011) until IPL4 (Summer 2012), then he became worse monthly but still the best zerg until WCS EU 2012.
His best performance was definitely with Millenium, around 10x better/more dominance than he showed with EG.

Even during EG time, his ZvP and ZvT results were alot better than best korean zerg had. ~13 of ~15 tournaments (where he didnt won) he was eliminated by ZvZ while almost unbeatable in ZvT and ZvP in all ~15 tournaments.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
May 13 2014 11:58 GMT
#35
The best foreigner will show his true form today, Nerchio ez pz.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-13 12:34:20
May 13 2014 12:33 GMT
#36
On May 13 2014 18:40 Trasko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 18:36 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On May 13 2014 18:14 Trasko wrote:
On May 13 2014 17:58 Xoronius wrote:
On May 13 2014 06:33 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Thankfully for viewers who don't want to be watching WCS until 1AM, the second Zerg in the group is as adverse to using Swarm Hosts as Stephano is fond of them. (Z)Acer.Nerchio didn't mind abusing masses of free units in the BL-infestor days, riding the composition to become the top Zerg in Europe behind Stephano (a title he contested with VortiX at times). However, he's had a rougher time in HotS, unable to make it back to the top with his more 'conscientious' unit compositions.


I don't think, that this does Nerchio justice, he was considered the best zerg outside of korea by many, long before the BL/infestor composition existed and also before Stephano himself rised. The amout of online domination shown by Nerchio at times in 2011 was incredible.


Yes but many players have had 'online domination' with minimal offline success. In 2012 Nerchio won a Dreamhack and Home Story Cup. So no doubt he was successful and had his moments. But after IPL in 2011 when Stephano emerged and rose to the top, Stephano would almost always be favoured. This continued until the day Stephano 'retired'. It was an arms race between the two (and VortiX) but Stephano was almost always on top.


It is not about him against Stephano, it is the "riding the composition to become the top Zerg in Europe" part. He already was that.


But like I said. He didn't have any major titles until the composition started going into fashion. I'm not saying he used it every single game but him along with many other Zergs used the strategy to great success.

Sorry, that I didn't make myself clear at first place, like AlternativeEgo said, I meant the "riding composition to become" part as well. He didn't ever travel as much as other zergs, because he still attendet university, which factored into him not having that many major titles. But his online form was easily enough to justify him being a top zerg. Sure online a lot of players have periods of domination, but what Nerchio did is not the "Siw won the last two ZOTACS in a row with 3-0 against good players, I consider him a top foreigner now" kind, but a level above anyone else. He still has 50% more won cups (Zotac and Go4) than everyone else and Hyun plays both for more than a year now. And not only the smaller cups, also the bigger events, like Shoutcrafts, Scan Invs, MSI pro cups, GSS and a 10k-dollar LAN in Berlin. Add to that his run at IPL 2.

Just as a comparism: He won more money in 2011 than Idra. I'm not arguing that post-IPL3 Stephano was clearly the top zerg, but pre-IPL 3 Nerchio was considered one of the best foreign zergs already, with only Idra, DIMAGA and Sen rivaling him. And that was far before BL/infestor.

Btw., this is all critizism on a high level, I liked the rest of the article
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
May 13 2014 12:34 GMT
#37
Stephano > all.
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
May 13 2014 12:40 GMT
#38
EG boys don't stand a chance.
Cluster__
Profile Joined September 2013
United States328 Posts
May 13 2014 13:16 GMT
#39
looking forward to next level Nerchio vs swarmhosts
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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
May 13 2014 13:34 GMT
#40
Stephano just has too much swag to be counted out.
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
May 13 2014 14:02 GMT
#41
On May 13 2014 21:33 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 18:40 Trasko wrote:
On May 13 2014 18:36 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On May 13 2014 18:14 Trasko wrote:
On May 13 2014 17:58 Xoronius wrote:
On May 13 2014 06:33 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Thankfully for viewers who don't want to be watching WCS until 1AM, the second Zerg in the group is as adverse to using Swarm Hosts as Stephano is fond of them. (Z)Acer.Nerchio didn't mind abusing masses of free units in the BL-infestor days, riding the composition to become the top Zerg in Europe behind Stephano (a title he contested with VortiX at times). However, he's had a rougher time in HotS, unable to make it back to the top with his more 'conscientious' unit compositions.


I don't think, that this does Nerchio justice, he was considered the best zerg outside of korea by many, long before the BL/infestor composition existed and also before Stephano himself rised. The amout of online domination shown by Nerchio at times in 2011 was incredible.


Yes but many players have had 'online domination' with minimal offline success. In 2012 Nerchio won a Dreamhack and Home Story Cup. So no doubt he was successful and had his moments. But after IPL in 2011 when Stephano emerged and rose to the top, Stephano would almost always be favoured. This continued until the day Stephano 'retired'. It was an arms race between the two (and VortiX) but Stephano was almost always on top.


It is not about him against Stephano, it is the "riding the composition to become the top Zerg in Europe" part. He already was that.


But like I said. He didn't have any major titles until the composition started going into fashion. I'm not saying he used it every single game but him along with many other Zergs used the strategy to great success.

Sorry, that I didn't make myself clear at first place, like AlternativeEgo said, I meant the "riding composition to become" part as well. He didn't ever travel as much as other zergs, because he still attendet university, which factored into him not having that many major titles. But his online form was easily enough to justify him being a top zerg. Sure online a lot of players have periods of domination, but what Nerchio did is not the "Siw won the last two ZOTACS in a row with 3-0 against good players, I consider him a top foreigner now" kind, but a level above anyone else. He still has 50% more won cups (Zotac and Go4) than everyone else and Hyun plays both for more than a year now. And not only the smaller cups, also the bigger events, like Shoutcrafts, Scan Invs, MSI pro cups, GSS and a 10k-dollar LAN in Berlin. Add to that his run at IPL 2.

Just as a comparism: He won more money in 2011 than Idra. I'm not arguing that post-IPL3 Stephano was clearly the top zerg, but pre-IPL 3 Nerchio was considered one of the best foreign zergs already, with only Idra, DIMAGA and Sen rivaling him. And that was far before BL/infestor.

Btw., this is all critizism on a high level, I liked the rest of the article


Alright yeah. Fair enough! I understand where you're coming from and I can agree with that reasoning! He was deff among one of the top Zergs back then. And thank you, I appreciate criticism and comments!
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Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
May 13 2014 14:49 GMT
#42
Stephano still looks really strong against anyone, but especially Europeans so I think he makes it out for sure (maybe even first place).

I think Demuslim might be able to play a dark horse contender here as being underestimated as to how well he might be able to play in a match where he can get a lot of preparation like this.
benKrO71
Profile Joined September 2011
France65 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-13 16:31:14
May 13 2014 16:29 GMT
#43
stephano had already more online results than other foreign zerg EVEN before IPL3, only people who didnt follow european scen was surprised by his IPL performance ...
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
May 13 2014 17:45 GMT
#44
On May 13 2014 23:02 Trasko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 21:33 Xoronius wrote:
On May 13 2014 18:40 Trasko wrote:
On May 13 2014 18:36 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On May 13 2014 18:14 Trasko wrote:
On May 13 2014 17:58 Xoronius wrote:
On May 13 2014 06:33 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Thankfully for viewers who don't want to be watching WCS until 1AM, the second Zerg in the group is as adverse to using Swarm Hosts as Stephano is fond of them. (Z)Acer.Nerchio didn't mind abusing masses of free units in the BL-infestor days, riding the composition to become the top Zerg in Europe behind Stephano (a title he contested with VortiX at times). However, he's had a rougher time in HotS, unable to make it back to the top with his more 'conscientious' unit compositions.


I don't think, that this does Nerchio justice, he was considered the best zerg outside of korea by many, long before the BL/infestor composition existed and also before Stephano himself rised. The amout of online domination shown by Nerchio at times in 2011 was incredible.


Yes but many players have had 'online domination' with minimal offline success. In 2012 Nerchio won a Dreamhack and Home Story Cup. So no doubt he was successful and had his moments. But after IPL in 2011 when Stephano emerged and rose to the top, Stephano would almost always be favoured. This continued until the day Stephano 'retired'. It was an arms race between the two (and VortiX) but Stephano was almost always on top.


It is not about him against Stephano, it is the "riding the composition to become the top Zerg in Europe" part. He already was that.


But like I said. He didn't have any major titles until the composition started going into fashion. I'm not saying he used it every single game but him along with many other Zergs used the strategy to great success.

Sorry, that I didn't make myself clear at first place, like AlternativeEgo said, I meant the "riding composition to become" part as well. He didn't ever travel as much as other zergs, because he still attendet university, which factored into him not having that many major titles. But his online form was easily enough to justify him being a top zerg. Sure online a lot of players have periods of domination, but what Nerchio did is not the "Siw won the last two ZOTACS in a row with 3-0 against good players, I consider him a top foreigner now" kind, but a level above anyone else. He still has 50% more won cups (Zotac and Go4) than everyone else and Hyun plays both for more than a year now. And not only the smaller cups, also the bigger events, like Shoutcrafts, Scan Invs, MSI pro cups, GSS and a 10k-dollar LAN in Berlin. Add to that his run at IPL 2.

Just as a comparism: He won more money in 2011 than Idra. I'm not arguing that post-IPL3 Stephano was clearly the top zerg, but pre-IPL 3 Nerchio was considered one of the best foreign zergs already, with only Idra, DIMAGA and Sen rivaling him. And that was far before BL/infestor.

Btw., this is all critizism on a high level, I liked the rest of the article


Alright yeah. Fair enough! I understand where you're coming from and I can agree with that reasoning! He was deff among one of the top Zergs back then. And thank you, I appreciate criticism and comments!

I'm glad, that we could come to an agreement. Also (which I probably should have said earlier) thanks for the article.

On May 14 2014 01:29 benKrO71 wrote:
stephano had already more online results than other foreign zerg EVEN before IPL3, only people who didnt follow european scen was surprised by his IPL performance ...

He had results, he was well known and he was considered one of the very good european zergs. But you can't really argue, that the results of Stephano before August/September are on par with those of Nerchio/DIMAGA/(Idra if you count offline).
x89
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom276 Posts
May 13 2014 20:53 GMT
#45
Thank you Twittch.tv for dying on us all
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
May 13 2014 21:22 GMT
#46
On May 13 2014 07:08 Nerchio wrote:
Wrong prediction. Nerchio ezpz

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walkeraki3
Profile Joined March 2012
Slovenia22 Posts
May 13 2014 21:25 GMT
#47
Noooo stephano and demuslim
go hard or go home
WiggyB
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom103 Posts
May 14 2014 00:03 GMT
#48
Sorry, but got were smoking crack if you thought DeMuslim was getting out of this group...
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