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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
On May 21 2014 21:07 MstrJinbo wrote: Or give zergs a building armor upgrade researched at the hive. Nydus worm was considered as unit in sc2 beta. And it's still like a unit in sc2 official unit section | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3561 Posts
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On May 21 2014 21:13 Existor wrote: Nydus worm was considered as unit in sc2 beta. And it's still like a unit in sc2 official unit section Meh, the truth is I want an armor upgrade for spine and spore crawlers.  | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Let's take this unit here, just this unit here, and have do so and so damage to that unit, but not to this one because.. of that reason. Then again, we're going to take this building and buff it only this kind of unit, but only by this amount, because we want it to counter this biological flying unit but not the other biological flying unit. These changes. They don't feel pro at all. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 21 2014 21:48 ejozl wrote: Hate Frenzy, really strong units should have severe weaknesses, rather boost their power, than removing their weakness. But... the only weakness lost is that it can't be abducted.... Its still the same Broodlord.... | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
On May 21 2014 23:44 Thieving Magpie wrote: But... the only weakness lost is that it can't be abducted.... Its still the same Broodlord.... Broodlords also can't be stunned with fungal, only damaged | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On May 22 2014 00:55 Existor wrote: Broodlords also can't be stunned with fungal, only damaged We will survive. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
Also I don't think I'd even notice the difference between a snared broodlord and one moving at regular speed. | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On May 21 2014 23:44 Thieving Magpie wrote: But... the only weakness lost is that it can't be abducted.... Its still the same Broodlord.... haha, when i heard about this i thought it was the hydralisk frenzy from the campaign, and i was like WHAT? i think a lot of people might make the same mistake at first... On May 21 2014 23:14 Incognoto wrote: These changes all seem like bandage patching. Let's take this unit here, just this unit here, and have do so and so damage to that unit, but not to this one because.. of that reason. Then again, we're going to take this building and buff it only this kind of unit, but only by this amount, because we want it to counter this biological flying unit but not the other biological flying unit. These changes. They don't feel pro at all. but... if a problem is specific... why would the fix not be specific? if your software is faulty, do you fix the code or ask windows to release a patch that makes your software work better? i realize there's something "clunky" about hotfixes like this, but it's much much better design from a gameplay standpoint IMO... how would it be "better" to make changes that affect things that aren't even part of the problem? you realize that's actually partly what CAUSED this, as spores killing broodlords so easily is a side effect of the muta vs muta patch? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 21 2014 23:14 Incognoto wrote: These changes all seem like bandage patching. Let's take this unit here, just this unit here, and have do so and so damage to that unit, but not to this one because.. of that reason. Then again, we're going to take this building and buff it only this kind of unit, but only by this amount, because we want it to counter this biological flying unit but not the other biological flying unit. These changes. They don't feel pro at all. Feels like a dota patch: "this attack is no longer an orb effect" or "this summon able unit now has a different armor type". Tiny, subtle changes that don't light the world on fire. | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On May 21 2014 04:50 Ramiz1989 wrote: For start, give Nydus more HP, it is utterly stupid and pathetic that Nydus is countered by pulling 10 workers. if we do this then we also have to nerf it in some other way, like putting a limit on how many units or how much supply can travel through a single worm. the reason 10 workers can counter a nydus worm is because 9 times out of 10 if you nydus into the main and there are no units there against a terran or protoss who's playing fairly standard by relying on frontal walls to keep the swarm out then the game will just end. it also gives the warpgate effect of near-instant reinforce speed i agree nydus needs an overhaul, but making it easier to pop one into the main would literally just break the game in the same way that daedalus point v1 broke the game for protoss | ||
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never_Nal
Costa Rica676 Posts
 , Making TvP and TvZ much more Playble and less punishable | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On May 22 2014 01:27 Plansix wrote: Feels like a dota patch: "this attack is no longer an orb effect" or "this summon able unit now has a different armor type". Tiny, subtle changes that don't light the world on fire. hmm so you're saying you can take match up which is currently lighting the world on fire (ZvZ swarm host) and fix it without light-on-fire-of-the-world change? OK then, that's pretty pro. But it still feels somewhat like band-aid solutions. then again SC2 is a game designed to be a cutting edge esport ^_^ | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 22 2014 01:34 Incognoto wrote: hmm so you're saying you can take match up which is currently lighting the world on fire (ZvZ swarm host) and fix it without light-on-fire-of-the-world change? OK then, that's pretty pro. But it still feels somewhat like band-aid solutions. then again SC2 is a game designed to be a cutting edge esport ^_^ The only problem with this patch is the implicit statements it makes. For example, this will fix SH wars in ZvZ with the implicit statement that SH wars in TvZ and PvZ is fine. It also suggests that since the only change to the Hydralisk is its +bio air damage then it implicitly states that Blizz is fine with Zerg air play. As to the explicit goals of their fixes they are on the mark. | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On May 22 2014 01:43 Thieving Magpie wrote: if i recall correctly from the initial announcement, blizzard conceded that swarm host zvp was worth looking at, but said or implied that the design implications for the matchup were too big to address before lotv. whether you believe that or agree is up to you, but i think it's a fair enough pointThe only problem with this patch is the implicit statements it makes. For example, this will fix SH wars in ZvZ with the implicit statement that SH wars in TvZ and PvZ is fine. It also suggests that since the only change to the Hydralisk is its +bio air damage then it implicitly states that Blizz is fine with Zerg air play. As to the explicit goals of their fixes they are on the mark. as for zvt? if swarm hosts are a problem, so are ravens :p imo the problem is mech is just too all-or-nothing, because of the lack of the mothership core like protoss has and lack of ability to mix bio and mech effectively, mech has close to zero mobility and needs to turtle even harder and stronger than protoss and rely on tank lines and defensive thors, which creates games that are either boring or one-sided or both | ||
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CrayonSc2
United States267 Posts
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
On May 22 2014 14:44 CrayonSc2 wrote: I just notice something. If frenzied is to stop movement affects then Maruaders cant slow down ultras no more right? that means we can actually use T3 vs terran now? You are so slow. Ultralisks can't be slowed by Time Warp and Concussive Shells for a very long time ALREADY | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
On May 22 2014 15:22 Existor wrote: You are so slow. Ultralisks can't be slowed by Time Warp and Concussive Shells for a very long time ALREADY The new part would be that Marauders can't slow Broodlords anymore | ||
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CrayonSc2
United States267 Posts
On May 22 2014 15:22 Existor wrote: You are so slow. Ultralisks can't be slowed by Time Warp and Concussive Shells for a very long time ALREADY im very slow. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3561 Posts
The new part would be that Marauders can't slow Broodlords anymore Except that both Ultralisks and Broodlords are in addition massive units. | ||
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