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MiCroLiFe
Norway275 Posts
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korona
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On April 16 2014 10:30 bri9and wrote: 18 games in a season = not nearly enough games to avoid decay. 18 games in a season is more than enough to avoid decay, if there are no inactivity periods longer than 2 weeks. But he likely has such inactivity periods. On April 16 2014 11:07 Zenbrez wrote: No, I think bri9and is misinformed. Cannot get demoted mid season (although I'm open to the possibility that I'm misinformed) There are no demotions mid-season (except from GM if the bonus pool rises above 180). It is possible to get placed lower leagues only via placement matches. By using 'leave league' feature players can force themselves to play a new placement match. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Its very annoying. Ok, people lose skill over time of not using it...but not THAT much. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27460 Posts
On April 16 2014 18:46 -Celestial- wrote: Haven't even checked this season but probably back in Bronze again. Felt really bad about it last time that happened, not because I demoted but because I was constantly demolishing newbies through to Gold (got bored after about 20 games, no fun destroying new players with random stuff). Its very annoying. Ok, people lose skill over time of not using it...but not THAT much. Pretty much how I feel about ladder at present. The decay seems a bit much, not against the idea of having decay, as previously you'd have leagues stuck with people who played one or two games a season to re-place and just stuck around in the league they placed in. As to whether the decay is too much I'm again not sure, but I just get the feeling it is a bit too steep at present | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
It's really, really simple actually. People can't be demoted during the season, but they can be promoted, that means that during the season there are more players than it should in higher leagues. So at the beginning of each season, many people in higher leagues get demoted. Of course you get demoted only if you are at the bottom of your league. And don't start telling things like "b-but I was top 8" it doesn't mean anything. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27460 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On April 16 2014 23:44 Wombat_NI wrote: Yeah it's simple when you put it like that, however why are there not mid-season demotions? Seems to have added to peoples' confusion/discontent with the ladder for no real discernible gain Probably to inflate the ego of some. If you got promoted in a high league, you are happy, but at the end of the season, since a lot of players got demoted, they can say "yeah, a lot of good players got demoted too, i'm not bad it's more of a general thing". | ||
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Ctone23
United States1841 Posts
On April 16 2014 23:41 KingAlphard wrote: Every season this thread appears... wow. It's really, really simple actually. People can't be demoted during the season, but they can be promoted, that means that during the season there are more players than it should in higher leagues. So at the beginning of each season, many people in higher leagues get demoted. Of course you get demoted only if you are at the bottom of your league. And don't start telling things like "b-but I was top 8" it doesn't mean anything. False. A lot of players that were in top 8 did get demoted. It's not that hard to get promoted again after the demotion, but it's definitely more wide-spread than you think. | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On April 16 2014 23:55 Ctone23 wrote: False. A lot of players that were in top 8 did get demoted. It's not that hard to get promoted again after the demotion, but it's definitely more wide-spread than you think. If you actually read the post, you'll notice that I didn't say that you can't be demoted as top 8, but that being top 8 doesn't matter anything. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1841 Posts
On April 17 2014 00:13 KingAlphard wrote: If you actually read the post, you'll notice that I didn't say that you can't be demoted as top 8, but that being top 8 doesn't matter anything. That's not how I read it. "Of course you get demoted only if you are at the bottom of your league" seemed pretty straight forward. Sorry for the confusion. | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
Personally I've never been demoted from master league once I was high enough to never match diamond players. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 16 2014 16:12 MiCroLiFe wrote: Plansix: im 23-13 or somthing and im stil dia, playin last seasons masters... Your still playing SC2, right? You lost some matches, but it sounds like you are on your way. I don't really see a problem asong as the game is still fun. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12257 Posts
On April 16 2014 23:41 KingAlphard wrote: Every season this thread appears... wow. It's really, really simple actually. People can't be demoted during the season, but they can be promoted, that means that during the season there are more players than it should in higher leagues. So at the beginning of each season, many people in higher leagues get demoted. Of course you get demoted only if you are at the bottom of your league. And don't start telling things like "b-but I was top 8" it doesn't mean anything. The reason this thread appears is simple, as you say, and for the reason you say as well. Generally, the players who post that they were demoted at the start of the following season are the ones who would have been demoted midseason had demotions not been disabled. Some have questioned why midseason demotions are disabled at all, and ask what purpose that change serves. I think that's equally simple. Without any evidence or metrics to back me up, I'd guess that a lot of players who saw the demotion message midseason probably just gave up for the rest of the season. "Screw this game, I'll just try again next season." With MMR decay introduced at the same time, that probably would have made things even more confusing because players could get demoted potentially multiple leagues after a single game following an inactivity period. So, since season rolls are times of great uncertainty for the community anyway, just postpone any demotions until then. | ||
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DjayEl
France252 Posts
On April 17 2014 01:10 Excalibur_Z wrote: The reason this thread appears is simple, as you say, and for the reason you say as well. Generally, the players who post that they were demoted at the start of the following season are the ones who would have been demoted midseason had demotions not been disabled. Some have questioned why midseason demotions are disabled at all, and ask what purpose that change serves. I think that's equally simple. Without any evidence or metrics to back me up, I'd guess that a lot of players who saw the demotion message midseason probably just gave up for the rest of the season. "Screw this game, I'll just try again next season." With MMR decay introduced at the same time, that probably would have made things even more confusing because players could get demoted potentially multiple leagues after a single game following an inactivity period. So, since season rolls are times of great uncertainty for the community anyway, just postpone any demotions until then. It just does not work like that and I have evidence of this. I started last season in plat due to MMR decay and won my way back to diamond with a 60% win ratio. Then my win ratio started to stabilize around 53% as I took more losses, but NEVER EVER get below 53%. Yes I was in top diamond, and no I don't give a f*ng crap it still means I'm in the bottom of my league, cause my win ratio was above 50% and my opponents were tough. I played every day and got 350+ games played, so no MMR decay should happen. Yet, I won my placement match and got placed into plat again, facing bad players (plats, even golds, true ones not guys who decayed or some crap), thus my ratio is now above 60% as I start climbing again (70% against some races), and only in top plat I started facing opponents who took me games. This whole 'its the same thing league mean nothing, just play' beautiful theory is awesome, but it does not explain my situation. Why would I face worse opponents just because of the season change ? That does not make sense. If my MMR is the same, then I should be around 50% all the time, no matter my league placement. And I can hear some pleople go on with their "just play then you'll get back in diamond in no time", well no. I payed good money for a game which ranking system doesn't work like adverstised, Blizzard owes me an explanation. It was like that the 3 previous seasons. Either they change this or communicate better on this, but something is obviously affecting my MMR down beside the supposed decay (not possible, I play every day) or me loosing too much (never went on a loose streak, never went under the 50% win ratio). Upping MMR takes time and commitment, even if I can "get back" to diamond, why would I be happy to get my hard-earned points (MMR points) just vanish like this for no reason. Its like you play the shit ouf of the game, struggling each game, investing time and energy, and all of the sudden the system says "BAM here is 20 free losses for you" (again, NOT MMR decay, or not in the way it should happen by common knowledge). And the argument would be "just get back where you were, EZPZ!". You would'nt autoquit 20 times in Ranked ladder just for the lulz and then try to re-win everything because you love wasting your time, would you? I don't either. Something is obviously horribly wrong with this system and right now I'm fed up with Blizzard. Yes, I play for fun cause I love the games not only for the point, but hell why would you use a ranking system then if it does not even work like a proper ranking system ? Half of the season I must take time to "rewin" my points, I'm done with that shit. Fuck Blizzard. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27460 Posts
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Plansix
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bosshd
Belgium72 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
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