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Proleague Round 3 - The Midway Report

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Proleague Round 3 - The Midway Report

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
April 12th, 2014 21:39 GMT
SKPlanet PRoleague

Round 3, Week 1



Weekly Line-ups
Opening week matches

The Midway Report
Checking up on all eight teams

Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

Round 3: The Midway Point

By: Zealously

Wow, we're already halfway through the season! With a week's rest after Jin Air Green Wings won the Round 2 championship, we're headed into the third round of the season. A few roster changes have been made, and some familiar faces have joined the fray. Make sure to check out the full list of changes here: Full list of roster changes
We've also compiled a midway report to check up on all of the teams, which we'll get to in a second. But first, let's take a look at the match-ups for week one:

Round 3 Standings
1.Jin Air0-00-00
2.MVP0-00-00
3.CJ Entus0-00-00
4.KT0-00-00
5.SKT0-00-00
6.IM0-00-00
7.Samsung0-00-00
8.Prime0-00-00

Results and standings on Liquipedia
Videos on Youtube

April 13


Samsung Galaxy KHAN vs CJ Entus
(Z)Shine < Outboxer > (P)herO
(P)Stork < Habitation Station LE > (T)Bbyong
(Z)RorO < Frost LE > (P)Hush (Bong)
(T)Reality < The King Sejong Station > (Z)Hydra
Ace: Maze

KT Rolster vs Jin Air Green Wings
(Z)Action < Habitation Station LE > (Z)Rogue
(P)Zest < Outboxer > (P)sOs
(P)Stats < Maze > (P)Terminator
(T)Flash < Merry Go Round LE > (T)Maru
Ace: Frost LE

April 14


MVP vs Prime
(T)Dream < Frost LE > (Z)DeParture
(Z)Shine < Maze > (T)MarineKing
(T)KeeN < Merry Go Round LE > (P)Creator
(P)TAiLS < Outboxer > (T)SalvatioN
Ace: The King Sejong Station

Incredible Miracle vs SK Telecom T1
(Z)Life < Frost LE > (T)FanTaSy
(P)Squirtle < Maze > (P)PartinG
(Z)ByuL < Merry Go Round LE > (Z)Soulkey
(P)Trap < Outboxer > (Z)soO
Ace: The King Sejong Station

April 15


Samsung Galaxy KHAN vs KT Rolster
(T)Reality < Merry Go Round LE > (T)TY
(Z)RorO < The King Sejong Station > (Z)hitmaN
(T)TurN < Habitation Station LE > (P)Zest
(P)Stork < Frost LE > (T)Flash
Ace: Outboxer

CJ Entus vs Jin Air Green Wings
(P)herO < Outboxer > (T)Maru
(T)Bbyong < Habitation Station LE > (P)sOs
(Z)Hydra < Frost LE > (T)Cure
(Z)EffOrt < The King Sejong Station > (Z)Rogue
Ace: Maze


Lineup Notes

  • KT Rolster is going with their most adventurous lineup of the entire season, breaking from their core four of Zest-Stats-Flash-TY to give both (Z)hitmaN and (Z)Action a chance to play in separate matches.

  • (Z)DongRaeGu and (P)Super, Team MVP's most important players in Round 2, have been left out this week. Perhaps it was in order to let them focus on their Code A games?

  • Prime's rotating door of non-Creator, non-MKP players this week includes (Z)DeParture and (T)SalvatioN. Though they've added (Z)Leenock (via partnership with Yoe Flash Wolves) to the roster, we'll have to wait till next week to see if he plays.

  • April 15th's (P)herO vs. (T)Maru has the potential to be one of the best matches of the season... or herO will just cheese Maru to death. Whatever, we're optimistic!

  • (Z)Life, (T)FanTaSy, and (T)Reality are all in action! Reddit was pleased.


The Midway Report

by Zealously

Because people don't like to read things, this midway check-up on all the teams even includes convenient letter grades!


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Jin Air Green Wings
IN: (P)Avenge, (Z)Adios, God-Coach Ryu Won
OUT: (P)Pigbaby, (Z)CoCa
Other changes: sOs doesn't suck in Proleague anymore
Overall Rating: A

Jin Air had somewhat of a rough time in Round 1 as sOs experienced a post-BlizzCon slump, but the team has stabilized since. With an monster duo of sOs and Maru backed by a reliable supporting cast, it was no surprise to see them win the Round 2 group stage as well as the playoffs.

There's little to criticize about a team that was strong enough to handily beat every other team into submission last round. Even though Pigbaby and Coca have been removed from the roster, it matters little as neither played any significant role for Jin Air this season. In fact, Jin Air may actually have upgraded at the Protoss position, bringing in former Startale player Avenge who showed potential as sniper in his GSTL outings.

The biggest change for Jin Air might be the acquisition of coach Ryu Won of SlayerS and Woongjin Stars fame. He famously coached MMA to a GSL championship and worked with Woongjin Stars during their second place run in the previous Proleague season. How big a role can he play for Jin Air? It's hard to say, but given his track record so far, he might be the final piece that makes Jin Air the top team in Proleague.


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Team MVP
IN: (T)aLive, (Z)hyvaa
OUT: None
Karma: -6,666,666. With Sniper and hyvaa finally together (as was their destiny), no fan-favorite will ever win a game against MVP.
Rating: B

MVP is the polar opposite of SKT. Their players have barely any individual league success, yet as a team they come together and make big things happen. Looking at their roster, no one really stands out as a mega-ace like herO for CJ or Zest for KT. Yet, MVP beat both teams in the Round 2 playoffs. The initial adjustment period seems to be over for MVP, and they have now transitioned into playing at the level they once used to in the GSTL.

Perhaps the most surprising thing about MVP's Proleague success is the rise of (P)Billowy (formerly Lure), whose 8-4 record made him the second best performing player on MVP after Super. He more than proved his worth by all-killing KT Rolster, and his 5-0 record vP makes him a very valuable part in MVP's line-up. The additions of notorious cheeser (Z)hyvaa and the unquestionably alive (T)aLive might seem superfluous considering the team's already considerable depth, but it can't hurt to have them.


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CJ Entus
IN: None
OUT: None
Other changes: Banned all their players from playing individual league qualifiers to focus on Proleague, received a huge amount of backlash from the Korean StarCraft community, lost to MVP anyway, and quietly rescinded the policy.
Rating: B+

The CJ Entus roster seemed like a lock for playoff contention prior to the season's start, but they ended up finishing Round 1 as one of Proleague's laughing-stocks. Early in Round 2, they seemed like they were on their way to suffering even more humiliation. Fortunately for Coach Park, the team found a way to turn things around midway and started playing like everyone expected to at the start of the season.

Halfway into the season, CJ look like real contenders to take the year end championship. Not the favorites, but definitely contenders. herO and Bbyong have established themselves as a reliable one-two punch, while Hydra has finally rid himself of the tendency to throw games that plagued him early in the season.

Unfortunately for CJ, the same three players cannot be expected to win every game they play, which reveals CJ's weakness: the fourth man. Early in the season Sora seemed like he could become one of CJ's key players, but he has regressed significantly in 2014. EffOrt seems to have Coach Park's faith for now, but his abysmal 0-5 record in Round 2 might force some tinkering with the roster. The team is good enough to make it to the Round 3 playoffs as is, but I feel that the team requires one more reliable player to go all the way.


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KT Rolster
IN: None
OUT: None
Other changes: Zest has become their best player, if not the best player in Korea.
Rating: A-

A new champion! For most of KT Rolster's time in StarCraft 2, Flash seemed like the odds on favorite to be the first one to win them a championship. After all, he won the most games in the first season of SC2 Proleague, and fought his way to a second place finish at 2012's MLG Dallas. Instead, we saw Zest go on an incredible, hot streak in 2014, walk the royal road, and become KT's first Code S champion.

While that's great news for KT, it doesn't help them address the biggest weakness of their roster: depth. The Zest/Flash/TY/Stats core is extremely strong, and those four alone make KT a title contender. However, they are still in desperate need of any kind of credible Zerg threat. Teams facing KT in the all-kill style playoffs can basically disregard the entire Zerg race when preparing, as KT have shown they have zero faith in Action and Hitman. Also, what do they plan to do in the season end playoffs where Bo7 Proleague style matches come into play?

Both Hitman and Action are playing in opening week, a sign that KT realizes this weakness and wants to establish their bench players. Will it work? Perhaps, perhaps not. Action and Hitman haven't exactly shown much promise in SC2. However, it was becoming clear that playing the exact same roster week after week wasn't the best plan, and you can't criticize KT for taking risks to try and be a better team.


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SK Telecom T1
IN: None
OUT: (Z)Sacsri, (T)Journey, (T)Sorry, coach HyuK
Other changes:Fantasy is actually playable now
Rating: A

Well, at least SKT should be an A-grade team. They still have the same, ridiculously stacked roster from the start of the season. In fact, their roster should be even better now as soO and Fantasy have trended upward. The fact that soO, a back-to-back GSL runner-up, doesn't get fielded with any frequency speaks to just how insane SKT's roster is.

Yet, they didn't make the Round 2 playoffs. Some aspect of Proleague competition seems to trouble them. In response, SKT made the strange move of removing three, never-used players and coach HyuK from their roster. The stated reason is that this will somehow help them in Round 3, but honestly we're not really sure what that's supposed to do.

So what IS the problem with SKT? It seems unlikely that the issue would lie in practise, given how well the majority of the players perform outside of Proleague (this isn't to say that they perform terribly in Proleague, just below expectations). So perhaps the issue instead lies with the team's approach to matches. If oov's ”we will show more various weapons in the third round” means that they will attempt to better utilize the depth of their line-up, then that seems like a step in the right direction.

Of course, we can't rule out the chance that it's just variance. Each team only plays seven matches per round, and it's not unexpected for there to be hot and cold streaks. SKT needs to show us who they really are this round.


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Incredible Miracle
IN: (P)Oz (via partnership)
OUT: (T)UngNim, (Z)NesTea
Other changes: Captaincy passed from Nestea to Mvp
Rating: C+

At this point, one has to wonder if Incredible Miracle truly benefits from adding any more players to their roster. The addition of Oz makes sense since he has been living with the team for some time. However, IM is already having trouble juggling a Protoss core of Trap-Yonghwa-Squirtle-HerO, leaving Code S player Ruin standing on the sidelines. Having Oz can't hurt, but it doesn't really seem to add much either.

Also, one has to wonder what the StarTale partnership is truly doing for IM. Here's a cute fact: (T)EinsPrime performed as well as the best ST player last round. What's strange is how few StarTale players are being fielded, considering how many gaping holes in IM's roster they could fill. Life or Curious could serve as a useful second Zerg to ByuL, while Hack could be their regular Terran card (with Mvp reserved for special occasions).

Honestly, IM would be fine swapping eight of their mid-tier players for just one ace class player. Trap is unquestionably solid, but there doesn't seem to be a clear-cut ace on IM like there is on many other teams. Aside from Trap, the rest of the players IM fielded last round were mediocre at best, which just isn't enough to compete for a playoff spot.

IM is not playing up to their potential, and something has to change if they want to make the playoffs in Round 3. If they stick with their 3 Protoss + ByuL line-ups, they're just going to continue their slow decline. You have a million mercenaries, IM. Use them.


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Samsung Galaxy KHAN
IN: (T)Guilty
OUT: None
Cool thing that happened: Prime accumulated enough penalty points to have to face Samsung in a tie-breaker for last place, which RorO won against MKP.
Rating: C-

In a somewhat puzzling turn of events, Samsung ace Roro fell to Code B while Solar, whose Round 2 performance can be described as nothing but embarrassing, advanced to Code S. Unfortunately for Samsung, that is about how far the depth of their line-up goes. They have Stork, who went an acceptable 2-2 last round, but beyond his improvement into a middling player, there isn't much for Samsung fans to be encouraged about. They were the worst team of Round 2 with a -8 map differential, and they only escaped last place thanks to Prime's needless mistakes.

So what can Samsung really hope to do in order to change this worrying trend? With the risk of making myself look a fool as Round 3 begins, I'll say that Samsung's abysmal Round 2 performance was in part a fluke. RorO will probably keep raking in Proleague wins at a steady rate despite his current Code B status. Solar had a bad Round 2, but his recent advancement to Code S suggests he can bounce back and be productive again. If Solar can do that, and Stork can maintain a 50% or so win rate, then Samsung should be able to at least perform better than last round.

Of course, it's also possible that Samsung's Round 1 performance was the actual fluke, in which case they can look forward to another race with Prime to stay out of last place. Hmmmm.... Maybe they should just buy Team MVP again (sorry, League of Legends joke there).


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Prime
IN: (Z)Leenock (via partnership with Yoe Flash Wolves)
OUT: (P)Kal
Other Changes: Primezzang.net mall is open again!
Rating: D+

The return of Marineking, somewhat surprisingly, proved to be a much-needed boost for the barebones roster. However, not even the Creator/Marineking duo can carry Prime without help. No, seriously. Creator and MKP were aided by ONE single win from the rest of the Prime roster in Round 2. Like Samsung, Prime has a terrible bench of tired veterans and inexperienced newcomers that just can't win games. Prime did improve to 2-5 in Round thanks to great play from Creator and decent play from MarineKing, but it wasn't enough to keep them out of last place.

That's why Leenock could potentially be a HUGE help to Prime, depending on how often he can play. Leenock hasn't been especially good in HotS, but he's good enough to put up a 50% winrate or so in Proleague. That could push Prime into the mid-tier, and maybe even make them a long-shot at playoff contender. That's of course, IF Leenock plays regularly. That is something that remains to be seen.


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Writers: Waxangel and Zealously.
Photos: KeSPA
Editors: Waxangel.
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April 12 2014 21:56 GMT
#2
WHERE

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BYUN
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Belgica34432 Posts
April 12 2014 22:06 GMT
#3
D+ is good I guess

nice write-up
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April 12 2014 22:09 GMT
#4
The Swagho factor is being left out for MVP. He's like the 2nd best coach in proleague
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Advocado
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Denmark994 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-12 22:09:44
April 12 2014 22:09 GMT
#5
Karma: -6,666,666. With Sniper and hyvaa finally together (as was their destiny), no fan-favorite will ever win a game against MVP.


LOL. The True Antihero's. The Punisher Duo.

On Oz: Didn't he have a pretty good time on EGTL being one of their good proleague players or am I mistakeN?
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
April 12 2014 22:11 GMT
#6
FREE BYUN
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 12 2014 22:11 GMT
#7
On April 13 2014 07:09 Advocado wrote:
Show nested quote +
Karma: -6,666,666. With Sniper and hyvaa finally together (as was their destiny), no fan-favorite will ever win a game against MVP.


LOL. The True Antihero's. The Punisher Duo.

On Oz: Didn't he have a pretty good time on EGTL being one of their good proleague players or am I mistakeN?

He went 9-9 which is solid
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United States1099 Posts
April 12 2014 22:13 GMT
#8
On April 13 2014 06:56 Fuell wrote:
WHERE

IS

BYUN

you dont find byun. byun finds you
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 12 2014 22:23 GMT
#9
Maybe IM isn't playing up to its potential because it's barely a team anymore, just a collection of players playing together. You have IM, then Startale, then HerO and Oz, which represent not 1, not 2, not 3, but FOUR different teams.

You can't just win stuff by making partnerships with everyone
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Profile Blog Joined August 2012
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April 12 2014 22:38 GMT
#10
#BUY.MVP.AND.FREE.BYUN

I think IM's change should be a D+ as well o:
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prabhbhambra13
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom424 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-12 22:58:37
April 12 2014 22:57 GMT
#11
Is Hyuk gone completely from T1? Last I knew he was a playing-coach so I'm not sure if he has departed from T1 completely or just stepped down to a coaching only role.

Also, Sacsri was used once this season and quite a lot last season so he's not really "never used"
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United States33479 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-12 23:01:34
April 12 2014 23:01 GMT
#12
On April 13 2014 07:57 prabhbhambra13 wrote:
Is Hyuk gone completely from T1? Last I knew he was a playing-coach so I'm not sure if he has departed from T1 completely or just stepped down to a coaching only role.

Also, Sacsri was used once this season and quite a lot last season so he's not really "never used"


do you really want to remember a game that you lost to swagho that eventaully cost you a playoff spot :o
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 12 2014 23:17 GMT
#13
IM doesn't need mroe players, they need a consistent strong core of players. Jin Air has Maru, sOs, and Rogue. SKT has Rain, Parting, and SK, and KT has TY, Flash, Zest, and even Stats. IM has so many names but none of them have the same gravitas as the ones I just mentioned.
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ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
April 12 2014 23:18 GMT
#14
I'm still confused why Prime announced Byun was back when they announced MKP was returning, and then he doesn't make 1 single appearance. Nothing else has been said about that and he's still not showing up yet in Round 3. Very confusing.

Nice write up though, it's a little strange that Coach Park doesn't give Sora another shot in the lineup, continuously using Effort who was 0-5 last round is sort of baffling considering Sora seriously can't do worse than that. Gumiho isn't used very much either so you have to question Coach Park's lineup decisions at this point.

And I totally agree, IM having all those players I think is keeping them from being consistent. Having to basically throw out a brand new lineup every match doesn't let anyone get into a groove, and they don't ever seem to ride "the hot hand" or anything like that. Same thing with SKT T1, they hardly ever use soO even though he's proven to be probably the most consistent player on the roster so far, and they just have so many player it's hard to stay consistent.
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prabhbhambra13
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom424 Posts
April 12 2014 23:18 GMT
#15
On April 13 2014 08:01 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 07:57 prabhbhambra13 wrote:
Is Hyuk gone completely from T1? Last I knew he was a playing-coach so I'm not sure if he has departed from T1 completely or just stepped down to a coaching only role.

Also, Sacsri was used once this season and quite a lot last season so he's not really "never used"


do you really want to remember a game that you lost to swagho that eventaully cost you a playoff spot :o

fair enough. it wasn't a great performance.
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 12 2014 23:23 GMT
#16
On April 13 2014 08:18 ArTiFaKs wrote:
I'm still confused why Prime announced Byun was back when they announced MKP was returning, and then he doesn't make 1 single appearance. Nothing else has been said about that and he's still not showing up yet in Round 3. Very confusing.

Nice write up though, it's a little strange that Coach Park doesn't give Sora another shot in the lineup, continuously using Effort who was 0-5 last round is sort of baffling considering Sora seriously can't do worse than that. Gumiho isn't used very much either so you have to question Coach Park's lineup decisions at this point.

And I totally agree, IM having all those players I think is keeping them from being consistent. Having to basically throw out a brand new lineup every match doesn't let anyone get into a groove, and they don't ever seem to ride "the hot hand" or anything like that. Same thing with SKT T1, they hardly ever use soO even though he's proven to be probably the most consistent player on the roster so far, and they just have so many player it's hard to stay consistent.

I honestly think Gumiho and Sora will get more playing time as the round goes on. Also Byun is still not only on their team roster, but their official proleague roster as well, which is not the same thing. This seems to indicate that Prime is at least hopeful that Byun will play this round
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 12 2014 23:29 GMT
#17
I think the good news for Gumiho fans is that he at least got used in the playoffs and did take a win. I think that should be a sign that he should be able to break into the starting lineup as the round goes on
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Germany6583 Posts
April 12 2014 23:44 GMT
#18
I really like the format of this report, great stuff. I disagree with some of the assessments (Cj being rated too high, not even mentioning Reality for Samsung and so on), but I like the intelligent perspecitve it provides.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
April 12 2014 23:58 GMT
#19
wheres leenock
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 13 2014 00:00 GMT
#20
I don't think MVP will do nearly as well this round as last one, but hey maybe i am dead wrong
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crazyweasel
Profile Joined March 2011
607 Posts
April 13 2014 00:09 GMT
#21
note that in the line up thread roro was facing hush and not effort. whos right here?
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United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 00:17:25
April 13 2014 00:12 GMT
#22
On April 13 2014 07:23 Bagration wrote:
Maybe IM isn't playing up to its potential because it's barely a team anymore, just a collection of players playing together. You have IM, then Startale, then HerO and Oz, which represent not 1, not 2, not 3, but FOUR different teams.

You can't just win stuff by making partnerships with everyone


How does that even make any sense?

If you've been keeping track of their lineups and what Zealously wrote they aren't even making use of their partnerships as much as they should. Curious played in 1 match, Life 2, and HerO 3 for round 2. The majority of their lineup for each match consists of their own people. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not in favor of the partnerships either and would rather they pick up 1-2 more solid players because not much is being gained with them aside from Life (another zerg and possible ace material).

No, it's that Yonghwa, Squirtle and Trap are rather inconsistent atm and everyone's pvp appears to suck. Byul is probably the only player that even with a losing record in the last round, played strong games even in defeat. A guy that showed signs of stability and improvement.

The biggest hole in IM is the lack of racial diversity and a super ace, where only Life and Byul are looking to possibly ascend to being the latter. Ruin is also someone to keep an eye on and will probably be replacing Yonghwa this round (at least I hope).
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 13 2014 00:19 GMT
#23
On April 13 2014 09:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 07:23 Bagration wrote:
Maybe IM isn't playing up to its potential because it's barely a team anymore, just a collection of players playing together. You have IM, then Startale, then HerO and Oz, which represent not 1, not 2, not 3, but FOUR different teams.

You can't just win stuff by making partnerships with everyone


How does that even make any sense?

If you've been keeping track of their lineups and what Zealously wrote they aren't even making use of their partnerships as much as they should. Curious played in 1 match, Life 2, and HerO 3 for round 2. The majority of their lineup for each match consists of their own people. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not in favor of the partnerships either and would rather they pick up 1-2 more solid players because not much is being gained with them aside from Life (another zerg and possible ace material).

No, it's that Yonghwa, Squirtle and Trap are rather inconsistent atm and everyone's pvp appears to suck. Byul is probably the only player that even with a losing record in the last round, played strong games even in defeat. A guy that showed signs of stability and improvement.

The biggest hole in IM is the lack of racial diversity and a super ace, where only Life and Byul are looking to possibly ascend to being the latter. Ruin is also someone to keep an eye on and will probably be replacing Yonghwa this round (at least I hope).

I think Trap is their strongest player atm. 4-1 last round, and even though his opponents weren't that strong he showed strong play. I think he's their most likely ace along with Byul
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zEEzz
Profile Joined October 2012
93 Posts
April 13 2014 00:37 GMT
#24
seriously

i really expect someone to answer me

where is byun and why isn't he playing ?
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
April 13 2014 00:43 GMT
#25
On April 13 2014 09:37 zEEzz wrote:
seriously

i really expect someone to answer me

where is byun and why isn't he playing ?


I believe there was a blog about it. He's in kespa jail.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 00:48:35
April 13 2014 00:46 GMT
#26
On April 13 2014 09:19 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 09:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On April 13 2014 07:23 Bagration wrote:
Maybe IM isn't playing up to its potential because it's barely a team anymore, just a collection of players playing together. You have IM, then Startale, then HerO and Oz, which represent not 1, not 2, not 3, but FOUR different teams.

You can't just win stuff by making partnerships with everyone


How does that even make any sense?

If you've been keeping track of their lineups and what Zealously wrote they aren't even making use of their partnerships as much as they should. Curious played in 1 match, Life 2, and HerO 3 for round 2. The majority of their lineup for each match consists of their own people. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not in favor of the partnerships either and would rather they pick up 1-2 more solid players because not much is being gained with them aside from Life (another zerg and possible ace material).

No, it's that Yonghwa, Squirtle and Trap are rather inconsistent atm and everyone's pvp appears to suck. Byul is probably the only player that even with a losing record in the last round, played strong games even in defeat. A guy that showed signs of stability and improvement.

The biggest hole in IM is the lack of racial diversity and a super ace, where only Life and Byul are looking to possibly ascend to being the latter. Ruin is also someone to keep an eye on and will probably be replacing Yonghwa this round (at least I hope).

I think Trap is their strongest player atm. 4-1 last round, and even though his opponents weren't that strong he showed strong play. I think he's their most likely ace along with Byul


It's possible, Trap had a very scary peak in the later part of 2013, but Hirai sending Byul in every single match and Byul even stating that he's switching back to KR to help IM more in SPL leads me to believe he's more likely the ace. I mean he only lost to Classic, sOs, Bbyong (vs mech on outboxer) and Rain which are all forgivable for a slight losing record.

On April 13 2014 09:37 zEEzz wrote:
seriously

i really expect someone to answer me

where is byun and why isn't he playing ?


Byun is just a tall tale used to scare Terran children at night about the dangers of pulling scvs. He isn't actually real.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Fatz
Profile Joined December 2013
United States5 Posts
April 13 2014 02:53 GMT
#27
On April 13 2014 09:09 crazyweasel wrote:
note that in the line up thread roro was facing hush and not effort. whos right here?


Looks like the Samsung vs CJ was copied from round 2 line-up instead of round 3. As further confirmation that the line-up in this post for Samsung vs CJ is wrong, the maps Yeonsu and Polar Night are out for round 3.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 13 2014 03:07 GMT
#28
On April 13 2014 09:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 09:19 Yorkie wrote:
On April 13 2014 09:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On April 13 2014 07:23 Bagration wrote:
Maybe IM isn't playing up to its potential because it's barely a team anymore, just a collection of players playing together. You have IM, then Startale, then HerO and Oz, which represent not 1, not 2, not 3, but FOUR different teams.

You can't just win stuff by making partnerships with everyone


How does that even make any sense?

If you've been keeping track of their lineups and what Zealously wrote they aren't even making use of their partnerships as much as they should. Curious played in 1 match, Life 2, and HerO 3 for round 2. The majority of their lineup for each match consists of their own people. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not in favor of the partnerships either and would rather they pick up 1-2 more solid players because not much is being gained with them aside from Life (another zerg and possible ace material).

No, it's that Yonghwa, Squirtle and Trap are rather inconsistent atm and everyone's pvp appears to suck. Byul is probably the only player that even with a losing record in the last round, played strong games even in defeat. A guy that showed signs of stability and improvement.

The biggest hole in IM is the lack of racial diversity and a super ace, where only Life and Byul are looking to possibly ascend to being the latter. Ruin is also someone to keep an eye on and will probably be replacing Yonghwa this round (at least I hope).

I think Trap is their strongest player atm. 4-1 last round, and even though his opponents weren't that strong he showed strong play. I think he's their most likely ace along with Byul


It's possible, Trap had a very scary peak in the later part of 2013, but Hirai sending Byul in every single match and Byul even stating that he's switching back to KR to help IM more in SPL leads me to believe he's more likely the ace. I mean he only lost to Classic, sOs, Bbyong (vs mech on outboxer) and Rain which are all forgivable for a slight losing record.

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 09:37 zEEzz wrote:
seriously

i really expect someone to answer me

where is byun and why isn't he playing ?


Byun is just a tall tale used to scare Terran children at night about the dangers of pulling scvs. He isn't actually real.


I thought Byun was the last Terran hope that was being hunted down by Rain o.o
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
April 13 2014 07:22 GMT
#29
Oz gonna ruin antis
Saser
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden66 Posts
April 13 2014 11:19 GMT
#30
On April 13 2014 09:43 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 09:37 zEEzz wrote:
seriously

i really expect someone to answer me

where is byun and why isn't he playing ?


I believe there was a blog about it. He's in kespa jail.


Can you find that blog plz? ;__;
And what do people mean with "KeSPA jail", is he like banned from competing in KeSPA tournaments?
Humans can survive under water. But not for very long.
Rikudou
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany151 Posts
April 13 2014 15:50 GMT
#31
IM doesn't need mroe players, they need a consistent strong core of players. Jin Air has Maru, sOs, and Rogue. SKT has Rain, Parting, and SK, and KT has TY, Flash, Zest, and even Stats. IM has so many names but none of them have the same gravitas as the ones I just mentioned.

They have Life... StartaleLife!!!!
Is this real Life? No, it's StartaleLife!!!
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
April 13 2014 16:00 GMT
#32
On April 13 2014 20:19 Saser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 09:43 Phredxor wrote:
On April 13 2014 09:37 zEEzz wrote:
seriously

i really expect someone to answer me

where is byun and why isn't he playing ?


I believe there was a blog about it. He's in kespa jail.


Can you find that blog plz? ;__;
And what do people mean with "KeSPA jail", is he like banned from competing in KeSPA tournaments?

KeSPA jail is a joke that people with TL+ started (?), basically if someone did something to offend KeSPA they disappeared from PL lineups and such. It's not actually a thing afaik
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Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
April 13 2014 16:44 GMT
#33
April 15th's (P)herO vs. (T)Maru has the potential to be one of the best matches of the season... or herO will just cheese Maru to death. Whatever, we're optimistic!

dude what?

Maru will just straight forward win in what ever situation he is put into.

herO can try but it won't be pretty if you are cheering protoss.

GOGO MARU!!!!!!!!!
Redrot
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States446 Posts
April 14 2014 19:56 GMT
#34
Hmmm...

I don't agree with the A grade for SKT. Yes, they have an amazing roster, but I think that they need to be punished for not beating every other team (minus KT, JinAir maybe) with that stacked roster. Maybe I'm thinking the grades should factor how well the team is doing with their potential factored in, where the writers don't think that.

I can definitely back the rest of the grades though. Maybe Prime should be over Samsung though considering how hard they fell in round 2 compared to round 1, where Prime actually improved a lot with MKP back.
I root for CJ because their fb posts are hilarious
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
April 14 2014 22:09 GMT
#35
On April 13 2014 20:19 Saser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 09:43 Phredxor wrote:
On April 13 2014 09:37 zEEzz wrote:
seriously

i really expect someone to answer me

where is byun and why isn't he playing ?


I believe there was a blog about it. He's in kespa jail.


Can you find that blog plz? ;__;
And what do people mean with "KeSPA jail", is he like banned from competing in KeSPA tournaments?

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/446884-where-in-the-world-is-byun
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Saser
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden66 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-15 09:09:51
April 15 2014 09:07 GMT
#36
On April 15 2014 07:09 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 20:19 Saser wrote:
On April 13 2014 09:43 Phredxor wrote:
On April 13 2014 09:37 zEEzz wrote:
seriously

i really expect someone to answer me

where is byun and why isn't he playing ?


I believe there was a blog about it. He's in kespa jail.


Can you find that blog plz? ;__;
And what do people mean with "KeSPA jail", is he like banned from competing in KeSPA tournaments?

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/446884-where-in-the-world-is-byun


Oh, I thought he meant a serious blog. :p
The blog mentioned that ByuN was at the PL studio once, though. Did that actually happen or is it also made up?
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 15 2014 09:17 GMT
#37
Why is CJ a B grade? They have been below par all season long to only get a mini run together in Round 2. To go from challengers for the whole tournament before round 1 as predicted to scrapping for the last play off spot i don't see how a grade B is deserving ;_;
Also IM for their vast roster which has been added even more strength by the StarTale merge, being a C+ again is way to nice. They Should be sat in the D category with Prime.
The rest of the grades seem about right though.

Probably should of had this in op as well;
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ViridianCrystal
Profile Joined January 2014
United States31 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-15 21:25:16
April 15 2014 21:24 GMT
#38
On April 13 2014 06:39 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Flash seemed like the odds on favorite to be the first one to win them a championship. After all, he won the most games in the first season of SC2 Proleague, and fought his way to a second place finish at 2012's MLG Dallas.

Small mistake here. I believe Flash got second at 2013's MLG Dallas.
Great write-up though. Love the constant updates to keep everyone interested in Proleague.
There will be no justice in this world until SoO wins a gsl.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 15 2014 21:52 GMT
#39
Honestly it was silly of me not to rate CJ A+

they have the Bbyongjwa after all
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