• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:05
CEST 02:05
KST 09:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
GSTL Returns in 2026!13Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-611
StarCraft 2
General
GSTL Returns in 2026! SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Protoss AoE skill expression Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion StarCraft 64 is coming to Philly at SC4ALL II ASL22 General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread Iain M Banks Says He Has Cancer And Months To Live Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4081 users

Arthur, Bomber advance from Group D of WCS AM Ro32 - Page 9

Forum Index > SC2 General
199 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 Next All
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 27 2014 22:59 GMT
#161
1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.

I wasn't. And the people who were were fans of Innovation. (I'm assuming you mean that series).
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 23:02:46
February 27 2014 23:01 GMT
#162
On February 28 2014 07:59 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.

I wasn't. And the people who were were fans of Innovation. (I'm assuming you mean that series).


okay....? I didn't say all people....
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
February 27 2014 23:21 GMT
#163
On February 28 2014 06:28 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.

If JD was a super cheesy protoss he would probably get quite a bit of hate. His BW accomplishments would likely give him some leeway compared to newer players, but that is only appropriate.

Believe it or not, some people just don't like what the game is like right now.


If you or anyone else doesn't like it then by all means the door is that a way. It's funny because this isn't the first time I told you where the exit is. Pretty sure I dealt with such b.s. in a LR thread not too long ago too. hue hue hue.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 23:48:30
February 27 2014 23:47 GMT
#164
On February 28 2014 07:48 tili wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.


1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.
2. You might concede that if Has had won in a longer game, there would be much, much less bashing....



Ah, yes, the pistols at 20 paces view of "how the game should be played".

Right.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 23:53:45
February 27 2014 23:52 GMT
#165
On February 28 2014 08:47 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 07:48 tili wrote:
On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.


1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.
2. You might concede that if Has had won in a longer game, there would be much, much less bashing....



Ah, yes, the pistols at 20 paces view of "how the game should be played".

Right.

Can we please settle all balance and design arguments in this fashion? LR threads would be way better.

On February 28 2014 08:01 tili wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 07:59 Yorkie wrote:
1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.

I wasn't. And the people who were were fans of Innovation. (I'm assuming you mean that series).


okay....? I didn't say all people....


You definitely did not say "some people". Your lack of modifier is clearly the source of the confusion.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 27 2014 23:54 GMT
#166
On February 28 2014 08:01 tili wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 07:59 Yorkie wrote:
1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.

I wasn't. And the people who were were fans of Innovation. (I'm assuming you mean that series).


okay....? I didn't say all people....

No you didn't. But the people who were mad were fans of the losing player. That's generally going to be the case. It is being said that if Jaedong had cheesed out Has nobody would complain because Has has so few fans compared to Jaedong.
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
February 27 2014 23:58 GMT
#167
Really surprised JD didn't make it through.

Pretty excited to see if HuK can make something happen
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 00:30:16
February 28 2014 00:21 GMT
#168
On February 28 2014 08:21 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 06:28 Squat wrote:
On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.

If JD was a super cheesy protoss he would probably get quite a bit of hate. His BW accomplishments would likely give him some leeway compared to newer players, but that is only appropriate.

Believe it or not, some people just don't like what the game is like right now.


If you or anyone else doesn't like it then by all means the door is that a way. It's funny because this isn't the first time I told you where the exit is. Pretty sure I dealt with such b.s. in a LR thread not too long ago too. hue hue hue.

Won't be the first time I ignore your pompous douchery either, so it all works out in the end. I'm a little tired of of explaining how being unhappy with the current state of the game and having no interest in it don't necessarily go together, but if you think on it really hard it might just come to you on its own.

Hue hue hue.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 28 2014 00:29 GMT
#169
Woohoo for pointless bickering guys...

The group has been played. What happened happened. There are better places for expressing your distaste for the game's design. Please stop.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
February 28 2014 00:44 GMT
#170
Not my fault if you cannot get with the times fellah. Tired of putting you in your place. That's on you and no one else.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 01:00:08
February 28 2014 00:59 GMT
#171
I don't even know who are, let alone care. I've never had anything resembling a conversation with you. If you think typing random pretentious nonsense that I didn't even read at me in LR threads is somehow putting anyone in their place, you go right ahead.

You do come across as somewhat delusional and more than a little bizarre though.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
willyallthewei
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States265 Posts
February 28 2014 01:50 GMT
#172
On February 27 2014 19:19 PanzerElite wrote:
You can't kill protoss (*clicks on nexus) in the early game though protoss can kill you with so many silly cheeses and allins. O and let's not forgot that a toss deathball can melt away 50 supply in just 2 seconds. If protoss is so strong from the start then why not fix the lategame, because even lategame army handling is much easier for protoss.

This happens way to often.
--> really difficult to hold allin gets repelled --> no worries wasn't allin at all, protoss doesn't have allins in hots --> continue's to roll the opponent in the lategame.

No other race can pull this stuff off..........

I don't even get why some people only play straight up with toss while they could easily boost their winrates by resorting to doing this stuff. It's so ridiculously strong on top of having such a powerful lategame. Has is actually bad (check his army control) but he still manages to eliminate Jaedong through coin flips lolwhut? Luckily Bomber served justice.

I think if blizzard wants to keep toss like this, they should also change how the lategame works.

- added wrong quote, nvm

User was warned for this post


Has won with unique builds that capitalized on JD's mistakes/tendencies, don't make this about balance.
"never give up, never surrender"
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
February 28 2014 02:16 GMT
#173
I believe once you reach Premier , it should be BO5. This would account for players who depend on cheese, and will give 'the better player' a much better chance to advance.
*burp*
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 28 2014 02:31 GMT
#174
On February 28 2014 11:16 Parcelleus wrote:
I believe once you reach Premier , it should be BO5. This would account for players who depend on cheese, and will give 'the better player' a much better chance to advance.

The GSL format has served us well all this time, and I for one think mind games are an important part of Starcraft. It's not so much fun if you just know before the games even start who will win. I also think Has had a lot more cheeses up his sleeve if you saw his sick "proxy 3 different tech structures in different corners of the map" build.
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 28 2014 02:49 GMT
#175
On February 28 2014 11:16 Parcelleus wrote:
I believe once you reach Premier , it should be BO5. This would account for players who depend on cheese, and will give 'the better player' a much better chance to advance.

But JD still would have gotten his ass kicked by Bomber, because bomber was on a roll, while JD was not.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
NNLBboy
Profile Joined August 2013
United States67 Posts
February 28 2014 02:55 GMT
#176
On February 28 2014 11:49 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 11:16 Parcelleus wrote:
I believe once you reach Premier , it should be BO5. This would account for players who depend on cheese, and will give 'the better player' a much better chance to advance.

But JD still would have gotten his ass kicked by Bomber, because bomber was on a roll, while JD was not.


^ Im a big JD fan and I agree with this, Bomber was on a roll that night, and easily stomped JD, but hey even though I am upset that he lost, I know he will be back in no time.
EGJD - NEVER DIE
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 03:00:16
February 28 2014 02:59 GMT
#177
nvm this post shouldnt have been made sorry
Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
February 28 2014 03:12 GMT
#178
On February 28 2014 08:58 igay wrote:
Really surprised JD didn't make it through.

Pretty excited to see if HuK can make something happen


pretty sure huk took some notes ◑‿◐
invisible tetris level master
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
February 28 2014 03:15 GMT
#179
On February 28 2014 12:12 Nachtwind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 08:58 igay wrote:
Really surprised JD didn't make it through.

Pretty excited to see if HuK can make something happen


pretty sure huk took some notes ◑‿◐


im ready for top 3 control to return
)))____◎◎◎◎█████
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 03:19:55
February 28 2014 03:16 GMT
#180
On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.

I disagree, jaedong got a ton of shit when he 6 pooled scarlett, and a lot of people were saying the better player lost.

Honestly, reading a lot of these comments make me wonder if they watched the games or not, because has vs bomber in the games played featured hilariously bad unit control, wonky "creative" strategies that would make kiwikaki blush and a deserving score at the end. The fact that he almost certainly would have won if he controlled his units slightly better (from absolutely awful) is what makes the counter whine funny. having a proxy in base gateway only kill 3 scvs when it's completely unscouted vs (what would be) gasless 1rax expand is funny as fuck, the fact that he did almost no damage and would have won without (another) horrible micro mistake is rage inducing.

Oh well, the games were funny, but they were also fucking stupid.
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
SEL Ladder Invitational
CranKy Ducklings10
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
20:00
Mid Season Playoffs
SteadfastSC215
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 215
ProTech72
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 2868
Rain 2376
Artosis 560
Dota 2
XaKoH 352
League of Legends
Doublelift4687
Counter-Strike
summit1g8554
minikerr61
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox429
PPMD40
Other Games
gofns19225
shahzam517
C9.Mang0321
NeuroSwarm92
Maynarde76
ViBE49
Nathanias38
ROOTCatZ29
JuggernautJason29
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 115
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• imaqtpie2773
• Scarra1824
• Shiphtur807
• Lourlo614
• Stunt170
Upcoming Events
Escore
9h 55m
PiG Sty Festival
11h 55m
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
ShoWTimE vs Zoun
Big Brain Bouts
15h 55m
Nicoract vs Neeb
TriGGeR vs ShoWTimE
CranKy Ducklings
1d 9h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 11h
herO vs Krystianer
Solar vs Cure
IPSL
1d 15h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
Maru vs Shameless
Reynor vs TriGGeR
IPSL
2 days
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
The Patches Monday
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
KCM Race Survival
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-13
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W7
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
META DYMY #4
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.