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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 27 2014 22:59 GMT
#161
1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.

I wasn't. And the people who were were fans of Innovation. (I'm assuming you mean that series).
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 23:02:46
February 27 2014 23:01 GMT
#162
On February 28 2014 07:59 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.

I wasn't. And the people who were were fans of Innovation. (I'm assuming you mean that series).


okay....? I didn't say all people....
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
February 27 2014 23:21 GMT
#163
On February 28 2014 06:28 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.

If JD was a super cheesy protoss he would probably get quite a bit of hate. His BW accomplishments would likely give him some leeway compared to newer players, but that is only appropriate.

Believe it or not, some people just don't like what the game is like right now.


If you or anyone else doesn't like it then by all means the door is that a way. It's funny because this isn't the first time I told you where the exit is. Pretty sure I dealt with such b.s. in a LR thread not too long ago too. hue hue hue.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 23:48:30
February 27 2014 23:47 GMT
#164
On February 28 2014 07:48 tili wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.


1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.
2. You might concede that if Has had won in a longer game, there would be much, much less bashing....



Ah, yes, the pistols at 20 paces view of "how the game should be played".

Right.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 23:53:45
February 27 2014 23:52 GMT
#165
On February 28 2014 08:47 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 07:48 tili wrote:
On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.


1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.
2. You might concede that if Has had won in a longer game, there would be much, much less bashing....



Ah, yes, the pistols at 20 paces view of "how the game should be played".

Right.

Can we please settle all balance and design arguments in this fashion? LR threads would be way better.

On February 28 2014 08:01 tili wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 07:59 Yorkie wrote:
1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.

I wasn't. And the people who were were fans of Innovation. (I'm assuming you mean that series).


okay....? I didn't say all people....


You definitely did not say "some people". Your lack of modifier is clearly the source of the confusion.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 27 2014 23:54 GMT
#166
On February 28 2014 08:01 tili wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 07:59 Yorkie wrote:
1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.

I wasn't. And the people who were were fans of Innovation. (I'm assuming you mean that series).


okay....? I didn't say all people....

No you didn't. But the people who were mad were fans of the losing player. That's generally going to be the case. It is being said that if Jaedong had cheesed out Has nobody would complain because Has has so few fans compared to Jaedong.
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
February 27 2014 23:58 GMT
#167
Really surprised JD didn't make it through.

Pretty excited to see if HuK can make something happen
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 00:30:16
February 28 2014 00:21 GMT
#168
On February 28 2014 08:21 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 06:28 Squat wrote:
On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.

If JD was a super cheesy protoss he would probably get quite a bit of hate. His BW accomplishments would likely give him some leeway compared to newer players, but that is only appropriate.

Believe it or not, some people just don't like what the game is like right now.


If you or anyone else doesn't like it then by all means the door is that a way. It's funny because this isn't the first time I told you where the exit is. Pretty sure I dealt with such b.s. in a LR thread not too long ago too. hue hue hue.

Won't be the first time I ignore your pompous douchery either, so it all works out in the end. I'm a little tired of of explaining how being unhappy with the current state of the game and having no interest in it don't necessarily go together, but if you think on it really hard it might just come to you on its own.

Hue hue hue.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 28 2014 00:29 GMT
#169
Woohoo for pointless bickering guys...

The group has been played. What happened happened. There are better places for expressing your distaste for the game's design. Please stop.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
February 28 2014 00:44 GMT
#170
Not my fault if you cannot get with the times fellah. Tired of putting you in your place. That's on you and no one else.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 01:00:08
February 28 2014 00:59 GMT
#171
I don't even know who are, let alone care. I've never had anything resembling a conversation with you. If you think typing random pretentious nonsense that I didn't even read at me in LR threads is somehow putting anyone in their place, you go right ahead.

You do come across as somewhat delusional and more than a little bizarre though.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
willyallthewei
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States265 Posts
February 28 2014 01:50 GMT
#172
On February 27 2014 19:19 PanzerElite wrote:
You can't kill protoss (*clicks on nexus) in the early game though protoss can kill you with so many silly cheeses and allins. O and let's not forgot that a toss deathball can melt away 50 supply in just 2 seconds. If protoss is so strong from the start then why not fix the lategame, because even lategame army handling is much easier for protoss.

This happens way to often.
--> really difficult to hold allin gets repelled --> no worries wasn't allin at all, protoss doesn't have allins in hots --> continue's to roll the opponent in the lategame.

No other race can pull this stuff off..........

I don't even get why some people only play straight up with toss while they could easily boost their winrates by resorting to doing this stuff. It's so ridiculously strong on top of having such a powerful lategame. Has is actually bad (check his army control) but he still manages to eliminate Jaedong through coin flips lolwhut? Luckily Bomber served justice.

I think if blizzard wants to keep toss like this, they should also change how the lategame works.

- added wrong quote, nvm

User was warned for this post


Has won with unique builds that capitalized on JD's mistakes/tendencies, don't make this about balance.
"never give up, never surrender"
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
February 28 2014 02:16 GMT
#173
I believe once you reach Premier , it should be BO5. This would account for players who depend on cheese, and will give 'the better player' a much better chance to advance.
*burp*
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 28 2014 02:31 GMT
#174
On February 28 2014 11:16 Parcelleus wrote:
I believe once you reach Premier , it should be BO5. This would account for players who depend on cheese, and will give 'the better player' a much better chance to advance.

The GSL format has served us well all this time, and I for one think mind games are an important part of Starcraft. It's not so much fun if you just know before the games even start who will win. I also think Has had a lot more cheeses up his sleeve if you saw his sick "proxy 3 different tech structures in different corners of the map" build.
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 28 2014 02:49 GMT
#175
On February 28 2014 11:16 Parcelleus wrote:
I believe once you reach Premier , it should be BO5. This would account for players who depend on cheese, and will give 'the better player' a much better chance to advance.

But JD still would have gotten his ass kicked by Bomber, because bomber was on a roll, while JD was not.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
NNLBboy
Profile Joined August 2013
United States67 Posts
February 28 2014 02:55 GMT
#176
On February 28 2014 11:49 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 11:16 Parcelleus wrote:
I believe once you reach Premier , it should be BO5. This would account for players who depend on cheese, and will give 'the better player' a much better chance to advance.

But JD still would have gotten his ass kicked by Bomber, because bomber was on a roll, while JD was not.


^ Im a big JD fan and I agree with this, Bomber was on a roll that night, and easily stomped JD, but hey even though I am upset that he lost, I know he will be back in no time.
EGJD - NEVER DIE
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 03:00:16
February 28 2014 02:59 GMT
#177
nvm this post shouldnt have been made sorry
Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
February 28 2014 03:12 GMT
#178
On February 28 2014 08:58 igay wrote:
Really surprised JD didn't make it through.

Pretty excited to see if HuK can make something happen


pretty sure huk took some notes ◑‿◐
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suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
February 28 2014 03:15 GMT
#179
On February 28 2014 12:12 Nachtwind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 08:58 igay wrote:
Really surprised JD didn't make it through.

Pretty excited to see if HuK can make something happen


pretty sure huk took some notes ◑‿◐


im ready for top 3 control to return
)))____◎◎◎◎█████
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 03:19:55
February 28 2014 03:16 GMT
#180
On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.

I disagree, jaedong got a ton of shit when he 6 pooled scarlett, and a lot of people were saying the better player lost.

Honestly, reading a lot of these comments make me wonder if they watched the games or not, because has vs bomber in the games played featured hilariously bad unit control, wonky "creative" strategies that would make kiwikaki blush and a deserving score at the end. The fact that he almost certainly would have won if he controlled his units slightly better (from absolutely awful) is what makes the counter whine funny. having a proxy in base gateway only kill 3 scvs when it's completely unscouted vs (what would be) gasless 1rax expand is funny as fuck, the fact that he did almost no damage and would have won without (another) horrible micro mistake is rage inducing.

Oh well, the games were funny, but they were also fucking stupid.
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