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Arthur, Bomber advance from Group D of WCS AM Ro32 - Page 8

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OldLadyStarCraft
Profile Joined November 2013
United States66 Posts
February 27 2014 17:11 GMT
#141
JD hasn't been showing the outcomes that people expect from him. As a professional SC2 player, he has to be aware of opponents, their strategies, improved ways of dealing with your own weaknesses, etc. He certainly is aware of the "discussion" around Protoss issues, so we always hope he will find new ways to win.

That he also lost to Bomber (strange to see that Red Bull in front) increases the questions to include "Did he just have an off night due to ____? Has he not been practicing as much or for particular opponents? Is he frustrated with "the" game and/or "his" game? Are the contenders just able to come up with the right strategy at the right time to beat him?"

So many people want to see JD rise to the very top and win those tournaments that it is easy to lose hope with each defeat.
OldLadyStarCraft
Profile Joined November 2013
United States66 Posts
February 27 2014 17:13 GMT
#142
And congratulations to Arthur & Bomber on advancing. Good luck on the rounds ahead. Has, keep working on your skills - it was nice to see a lesser known player getting some attention. Hope it hasn't been all bad.
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
February 27 2014 17:33 GMT
#143
JD and ForGG are soul linked , i'm sure now.
Nice showing by arthur.
RIP MKP
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
February 27 2014 18:06 GMT
#144
I watched the some of the vods last night and read through some of the LR. It was glorious!

It's great that the game can still throw up unexpected and wacky shit like that.

Well played to Has and especially Arthur, but I am glad that Bomber made it through.
KT best KT ~ 2014
ggofthejungle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Romania392 Posts
February 27 2014 18:10 GMT
#145
I didn't watch the games but the LR has some glorious gems In there
SlammerIV
Profile Joined December 2013
United States526 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 18:21:45
February 27 2014 18:21 GMT
#146
I am actually kind of glad JD got knocked out. This may sound strange but it makes me less sad now that scarlett lost, she now has good company among the eliminated players.
justnny
Profile Joined October 2010
United States171 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 18:57:44
February 27 2014 18:55 GMT
#147
While I haven't had a chance to watch last night's WCS AM, I did watch all of Cologne. There JD was up to his usual self of pushing his reactions to the last possible second and flawlessly executing with what he had. In almost all of JD's games, his mechanics were amazing but the timing of his decisions was off. Eeking out victories when they should be landslides has been JD's mantra as of late. It sounds like last night was no different and he got caught. Unfortunate, but not surprising. I can see he is a brilliant player, but SC2 is quite unforgiving.

I don't mind cheese, personally, because it gives us variation in the landscape of games. I have been underwhelmed by TvZ because of the day in, day out Terran train. Back in WoL before the queen buff, TvZ was all over the place and it was entertaining as hell. Cheesing throws everything on its head.

What I do find disappointing about cheese is that it allows arguably lesser players to advance in the Bo1 or Bo3 format (see Kyrix in GSL Open Season 2 or BitByBit's legacy). Having said that, MVP (see MVP's career) and Maru (see Maru v Innovation) have both demonstrated the power of cheese as a strategy to exposed weaknesses of specific players. In that context, JD's loss is no different.

It has been said that the Protoss of SC1 also had a wide variety of builds that defined it as a race. In that, SC2 is no different. There does appear to be something lost in translation, however, when success for the defending player relies so much on proper scouting and perfect reaction and not so much on the execution of the cheesing player. It would be awesome if there were more opportunities to outplay or react to the opponent, even from a deficit, but alas, it is what it is.
Intricate
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada127 Posts
February 27 2014 19:03 GMT
#148
I'm so sad for JD =( oh well... I hope things will get better after the next patch tho
"We all live inside of NesTea's dream" - Artosis
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
February 27 2014 19:07 GMT
#149
gl to Arthur and Bomber
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 27 2014 19:18 GMT
#150
http://i.imgur.com/YPetmjs.jpg?1

This is the highlight of the entire r/Starcraft balance whine due to the fall of JD. It is ironic and honest at the same time.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 27 2014 19:20 GMT
#151
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.
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aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 20:15:43
February 27 2014 20:15 GMT
#152
Oh, of course. If a fan favourite loses to a lesser player, it's usually the game's fault.

Edit/ That Wine and Cheese party image from Plansix is hilarious!
KT best KT ~ 2014
Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
February 27 2014 20:20 GMT
#153
I wish JD was still in the WCS, it would give me a reason to actually watch it.
Chameleons Cast No Shadows
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 27 2014 20:25 GMT
#154
The power of Axiom YouTube video where Crank and Alicia apologize for playing Protoss is pretty awesome too. The ending is really funny.

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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 27 2014 20:32 GMT
#155
On February 28 2014 04:18 Plansix wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/YPetmjs.jpg?1

This is the highlight of the entire r/Starcraft balance whine due to the fall of JD. It is ironic and honest at the same time.


THANK YOU NOW I'M HUNGRY. I HOPE YOU'RE SATISFIED.

The pic is completely on point.
LiquipediaWanderer
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 27 2014 21:08 GMT
#156
On February 28 2014 05:25 Plansix wrote:
The power of Axiom YouTube video where Crank and Alicia apologize for playing Protoss is pretty awesome too. The ending is really funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iAPd4erRKw&feature=youtu.be

Hahahhahahahahahahha xD!!

<3 Axiom!
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Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
February 27 2014 21:21 GMT
#157
I have Arthur on my fantasy team that I play with my friends for WCS AM so I'm happy he made it through. I'm stoked for Bomber because he's pretty much the best! But at the same time I'm sad for JD and was kind of cheering for him too despite having Arthur on my team, and preferring Bomber over everyone. Lol.

Interesting results, cool matches.
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 27 2014 21:28 GMT
#158
On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.

If JD was a super cheesy protoss he would probably get quite a bit of hate. His BW accomplishments would likely give him some leeway compared to newer players, but that is only appropriate.

Believe it or not, some people just don't like what the game is like right now.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10121 Posts
February 27 2014 21:31 GMT
#159
This thread should be only dedicated to Bomber's glory. Damn you balance whiners.
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 22:49:20
February 27 2014 22:48 GMT
#160
On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.


1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.
2. You might concede that if Has had won in a longer game, there would be much, much less bashing....

On February 28 2014 06:28 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.

If JD was a super cheesy protoss he would probably get quite a bit of hate. His BW accomplishments would likely give him some leeway compared to newer players, but that is only appropriate.

Believe it or not, some people just don't like what the game is like right now.


agreed.

edit: saying "if Has had" in a sentence is just awesome.
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