JD hasn't been showing the outcomes that people expect from him. As a professional SC2 player, he has to be aware of opponents, their strategies, improved ways of dealing with your own weaknesses, etc. He certainly is aware of the "discussion" around Protoss issues, so we always hope he will find new ways to win.

That he also lost to Bomber (strange to see that Red Bull in front) increases the questions to include "Did he just have an off night due to ____? Has he not been practicing as much or for particular opponents? Is he frustrated with "the" game and/or "his" game? Are the contenders just able to come up with the right strategy at the right time to beat him?"

So many people want to see JD rise to the very top and win those tournaments that it is easy to lose hope with each defeat.

OldLadyStarCraft

United States66 Posts

February 27 2014 17:13 GMT

#142

And congratulations to Arthur & Bomber on advancing. Good luck on the rounds ahead. Has, keep working on your skills - it was nice to see a lesser known player getting some attention. Hope it hasn't been all bad.

shid0x

Korea (South)5014 Posts

February 27 2014 17:33 GMT

#143

JD and ForGG are soul linked , i'm sure now.
Nice showing by arthur.

aZealot

New Zealand5447 Posts

February 27 2014 18:06 GMT

#144

I watched the some of the vods last night and read through some of the LR. It was glorious!

It's great that the game can still throw up unexpected and wacky shit like that.

Well played to Has and especially Arthur, but I am glad that Bomber made it through.

ggofthejungle

Romania392 Posts

February 27 2014 18:10 GMT

#145

I didn't watch the games but the LR has some glorious gems In there

SlammerIV

United States526 Posts

February 27 2014 18:21 GMT

#146

I am actually kind of glad JD got knocked out. This may sound strange but it makes me less sad now that scarlett lost, she now has good company among the eliminated players.

justnny

United States171 Posts

February 27 2014 18:55 GMT

#147

While I haven't had a chance to watch last night's WCS AM, I did watch all of Cologne. There JD was up to his usual self of pushing his reactions to the last possible second and flawlessly executing with what he had. In almost all of JD's games, his mechanics were amazing but the timing of his decisions was off. Eeking out victories when they should be landslides has been JD's mantra as of late. It sounds like last night was no different and he got caught. Unfortunate, but not surprising. I can see he is a brilliant player, but SC2 is quite unforgiving.

I don't mind cheese, personally, because it gives us variation in the landscape of games. I have been underwhelmed by TvZ because of the day in, day out Terran train. Back in WoL before the queen buff, TvZ was all over the place and it was entertaining as hell. Cheesing throws everything on its head.

What I do find disappointing about cheese is that it allows arguably lesser players to advance in the Bo1 or Bo3 format (see Kyrix in GSL Open Season 2 or BitByBit's legacy). Having said that, MVP (see MVP's career) and Maru (see Maru v Innovation) have both demonstrated the power of cheese as a strategy to exposed weaknesses of specific players. In that context, JD's loss is no different.

It has been said that the Protoss of SC1 also had a wide variety of builds that defined it as a race. In that, SC2 is no different. There does appear to be something lost in translation, however, when success for the defending player relies so much on proper scouting and perfect reaction and not so much on the execution of the cheesing player. It would be awesome if there were more opportunities to outplay or react to the opponent, even from a deficit, but alas, it is what it is.

Intricate

Canada127 Posts

February 27 2014 19:03 GMT

#148

I'm so sad for JD =( oh well... I hope things will get better after the next patch tho

kaykoose

United States2302 Posts

February 27 2014 19:07 GMT

#149

gl to Arthur and Bomber

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

February 27 2014 19:18 GMT

#150

http://i.imgur.com/YPetmjs.jpg?1

This is the highlight of the entire r/Starcraft balance whine due to the fall of JD. It is ironic and honest at the same time.

Zealously

East Gorteau22261 Posts

February 27 2014 19:20 GMT

#151

I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.

aZealot

New Zealand5447 Posts

February 27 2014 20:15 GMT

#152

Oh, of course. If a fan favourite loses to a lesser player, it's usually the game's fault.

Edit/ That Wine and Cheese party image from Plansix is hilarious!

Butterednuts

United States859 Posts

February 27 2014 20:20 GMT

#153

I wish JD was still in the WCS, it would give me a reason to actually watch it.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

February 27 2014 20:25 GMT

#154

The power of Axiom YouTube video where Crank and Alicia apologize for playing Protoss is pretty awesome too. The ending is really funny.

Ragnarork

France9034 Posts

February 27 2014 20:32 GMT

#155

On February 28 2014 04:18 Plansix wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/YPetmjs.jpg?1

This is the highlight of the entire r/Starcraft balance whine due to the fall of JD. It is ironic and honest at the same time.

THANK YOU NOW I'M HUNGRY. I HOPE YOU'RE SATISFIED.

The pic is completely on point.

SC2Toastie

Netherlands5725 Posts

February 27 2014 21:08 GMT

#156

On February 28 2014 05:25 Plansix wrote:
The power of Axiom YouTube video where Crank and Alicia apologize for playing Protoss is pretty awesome too. The ending is really funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iAPd4erRKw&feature=youtu.be

Hahahhahahahahahahha xD!!

<3 Axiom!

Mistakes

United States1102 Posts

February 27 2014 21:21 GMT

#157

I have Arthur on my fantasy team that I play with my friends for WCS AM so I'm happy he made it through. I'm stoked for Bomber because he's pretty much the best! But at the same time I'm sad for JD and was kind of cheering for him too despite having Arthur on my team, and preferring Bomber over everyone. Lol.

Interesting results, cool matches.

Squat

Sweden7978 Posts

February 27 2014 21:28 GMT

#158

On February 28 2014 04:20 Zealously wrote:
I find it hard to believe that most people would take even one millisecond to bash JD if he had a number of abusive strategies and used only them to advance. People like to claim that these arguments are about game design and whatnot, but it's (usually) really only an outlet for whining because the 'wrong' player won.

If JD was a super cheesy protoss he would probably get quite a bit of hate. His BW accomplishments would likely give him some leeway compared to newer players, but that is only appropriate.

Believe it or not, some people just don't like what the game is like right now.

Godwrath

Spain10140 Posts

February 27 2014 21:31 GMT

#159

This thread should be only dedicated to Bomber's glory. Damn you balance whiners.

tili

United States1332 Posts

February 27 2014 22:48 GMT

#160

1. I disagree. People were pretty unhappy with HerO's super cheesy series at cologne.
2. You might concede that if Has had won in a longer game, there would be much, much less bashing....

On February 28 2014 06:28 Squat wrote:

Show nested quote +

agreed.

edit: saying "if Has had" in a sentence is just awesome.