EPTUpsets are apart of the game, it's what makes watching worth watching. It seems a lot of people in this thread would just rather have them fix the outcome of the series before it starts because they've already decided who the "more skilled" player is.
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
Upsets are apart of the game, it's what makes watching worth watching. It seems a lot of people in this thread would just rather have them fix the outcome of the series before it starts because they've already decided who the "more skilled" player is. | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
On February 28 2014 12:16 bo1b wrote: I disagree, jaedong got a ton of shit when he 6 pooled scarlett, and a lot of people were saying the better player lost. Honestly, reading a lot of these comments make me wonder if they watched the games or not, because has vs bomber in the games played featured hilariously bad unit control, wonky "creative" strategies that would make kiwikaki blush and a deserving score at the end. The fact that he almost certainly would have won if he controlled his units slightly better (from absolutely awful) is what makes the counter whine funny. having a proxy in base gateway only kill 3 scvs when it's completely unscouted vs (what would be) gasless 1rax expand is funny as fuck, the fact that he did almost no damage and would have won without (another) horrible micro mistake is rage inducing. Oh well, the games were funny, but they were also fucking stupid. Get over it dude, and yes I did watch the games, but reading your comment makes me wonder if you did. The proxy gate WAS scouted, bomber sent an SCV to his base. Bomber reacted absolutely brilliantly and had excellent building placement. But unless you are going to recreate that exact moment in time, with the exact same players minds in the exact same state of mind during that exact moment just with "better unit control" you or anybody else for that matter will never know what the outcome would've been. And saying otherwise is fucking stupid. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 28 2014 09:59 Squat wrote: I don't even know who are, let alone care. I've never had anything resembling a conversation with you. If you think typing random pretentious nonsense that I didn't even read at me in LR threads is somehow putting anyone in their place, you go right ahead. You do come across as somewhat delusional and more than a little bizarre though. Funny you say that after what you said prior lol. Once again you are talking out of your butt and I'm used to seeing you dodge right after I chime in the LR threads and you disappear right after. Not the first time it happened either. Let me put this another way. You continue to bitch and moan about the game yet you keep watching, so why bitch and moan about something you don't necessarily enjoy watching? Does that make any sense to you? Because it doesn't to me. I find it hard to believe that you cannot see the logic behind what I'm saying. Stop being stubborn and perhaps you should do something else with your life instead of bitching about a game in which you clearly don't enjoy considering you've been whining about results for over several months now. You should speak for yourself before you even attempt to come at me lmao. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On February 28 2014 12:42 ArTiFaKs wrote: Get over it dude, and yes I did watch the games, but reading your comment makes me wonder if you did. The proxy gate WAS scouted, bomber sent an SCV to his base. Bomber reacted absolutely brilliantly and had excellent building placement. But unless you are going to recreate that exact moment in time, with the exact same players minds in the exact same state of mind during that exact moment just with "better unit control" you or anybody else for that matter will never know what the outcome would've been. And saying otherwise is fucking stupid. Scouting nothing in a protoss base as the zealot finishes is hardly scouting it in time, his unit control was absolutely horrendous as shown so many times in that series (if you try and tell me that a-moving his oracle for example in g1 was "good unit control" then rofl), particularly in the moment where he tried to push up the ramp and completely botched it. Oh well, getting zealots surrounded by scvs by a moving into a mineral line is amazing sorry for insinuating other wise. And you can easily tell how amazing his control is as he a-moves up this ramp with his sentries headbutting the back of his army, into forcefielding nothing. Reference game for anyone who cares at this point. In any event, I don't really care, the games were ridiculous, and the fact that has would have won with even the slightest bit better unit control is a joke. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On February 28 2014 11:49 Plansix wrote: But JD still would have gotten his ass kicked by Bomber, because bomber was on a roll, while JD was not. But we would had potentially 3 more games of proxy everything out of your base vs bomber, and while stupid they were entertaining. | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
On February 28 2014 08:52 Plansix wrote: Can we please settle all balance and design arguments in this fashion? LR threads would be way better. You definitely did not say "some people". Your lack of modifier is clearly the source of the confusion. Luckily, people is plural of person. Meaning two or more. Your lack of understanding basic words is clearly the cause of your confusion. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 28 2014 13:44 tili wrote: Luckily, people is plural of person. Meaning two or more. Your lack of understanding basic words is clearly the cause of your confusion. But I was never confused. Your comment was clearly left to be opened ended at "two more", which means up to and including the majority people who watch SC2. Or not, its really up to the reader. Vague comments like this are the life blood of internet complaining. Never be completely clear, then you can get backed into a corner or proven wrong. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On February 28 2014 13:52 Plansix wrote: But I was never confused. Your comment was clearly left to be opened ended at "two more", which means up to and including the majority people who watch SC2. Or not, its really up to the reader. Vague comments like this are the life blood of internet complaining. Never be completely clear, then you can get backed into a corner or proven wrong. hey hey guys stop the personal attacks :L | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
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smilingpig67
United States3 Posts
Still, if Has is as good as some people project him to be, he better keep performing well in the round of 16 and hopefully beyond, because if he gets bested pretty quick, it'll be embarrassing to Jaedong and frustrating to people like myself who want to watch high quality matches. Has performing well in the round of 16 and maybe even making the semi-finals will change what people think about him, and on one level I really hope this happens so he stops getting bad attention and his win against Jaedong is a little more justified. On the other hand, Arthur's match on Yeonsu against Bomber? A 1 base blink all in at 15 minutes when Bomber had a natural, 6 bunkers, AND a sensor tower? You can argue that Bomber didn't play perfectly, but damn, it sucks that you have to play absolutely perfectly as a Terran or a Zerg to hold off most Protoss all ins, where as Protoss can make a few mistakes here and there, but hey no biggie. One good blink will seal the deal, amirite? | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
On February 28 2014 13:52 Plansix wrote: But I was never confused. Your comment was clearly left to be opened ended at "two more", which means up to and including the majority people who watch SC2. Or not, its really up to the reader. Vague comments like this are the life blood of internet complaining. Never be completely clear, then you can get backed into a corner or proven wrong. It's hard to read this without laughing. All language has an element of ambiguity, which is why lawyers are so helpful. It is clear that 99.999% of the time people is not all inclusive, and to take it as such is silly. Also, the comment wasn't directed at you, and this whole conversation has become petty. Be well. | ||
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tester321
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FromtheAbysS
32 Posts
Bomber and JD fought all night long against poor cheesy Toss ! No macro game from Arthur and Has, just collect gates like collect sticker. I am very happy for Bomber because he is my Fav Terran but I like JD too and I am very upset for him. I can accept one cheesy game from a toss but not all games. For those who think Arthur is a genius, he is the new Rain or sOs, I saw him to lose versus some european terran grand master without glory when he was WesternWolves. I laughed cause Rotty said bomber didn't scoot. Why scoot ? He knew the guys went to cheese him. | ||
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Xinzoe
Korea (South)2373 Posts
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Guileful
Kazakhstan137 Posts
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
On March 01 2014 01:11 FromtheAbysS wrote: I can accept one cheesy game from a toss but not all games. Well thanks that I was not in the same room with you when some foreigner created a legend and got incredibal deals in the 4gate Protoss time ^^ Mhhh WCS AM seems to provide right? Sad for EG but good news for JD fans, he will have to stream more I guess. ps: Zerg going Hatch first is greedy as hell and if they loose to lets say a canon rush its their own fault. | ||
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bjornkavist
Canada1235 Posts
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webhappy
20 Posts
I agree that if every match were like this, SC2 would be a horrible spectator sport. But if something like this happens occasionally, it's quite entertaining to see a top player get deservedly punished for playing greedy. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
But this rather seem to be a shame with another random toss player defeat a top player with some basic stuff photon rush/dt anybody is able to do. | ||
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
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