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Nimix
France1809 Posts
Oracle heavy metagame, and also because of the maps, of which many are good for blink possibly because mapmakers want the reaper to be able to get scouting information). Except most maps have double cliffs that prevent reaper jump in but not blink, so it's not really related (Yeonsu etc). Maybe rather than the CD change, they should make it that blink can't jump up double cliffs, like reapers. Great to hear from pros otherwise, as always. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5521 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3804 Posts
On February 12 2014 04:11 Musicus wrote: So Hasu and Socke officialy morphed together at this pooint :D. There should only be one liquipedia/aligulac page maybe. They even have an almost identical amount of twitter followers haha. http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=163 83&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=Search They have played a ton vs. eachother as well over the years. | ||
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
I like the idea of a mid/lategame buff to nydus. Ive always wanted to see 3-4 nyduses around the map having swarmhosts shooting locusts from all angles and directions. With a faster swarmhost and a cheaper nydus maybe that can become viable  | ||
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KTP_TV
France42 Posts
Thanks a lot for so much feedback on such short notice <3 | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On February 12 2014 04:19 avilo wrote: The problem is right now there's no risk at all to really using blink stalkers in PvT. You can virtually always escape every single time either from the Terran's base after offensive blinks, or you can do the fake blink macro builds and never lose any stalkers but still heavily pressure Terran at no risk whatsoever to yourself. Making blink require more thought to use and have more risk associated to it will go a long way to help TvP balance because right now the balance of TvP is quite abysmal. There are too, too many PvT openings that have low risks associated with them, blink probably being the one that almost always puts the Protoss player ahead, or at the very worst even which is pretty lame. I agree 100% but at the same time I feel like blink is one of the cooler abilities in the game. I rather wish they nerfed 1/2-base blink plays some other way than a global change like this. This game needs more micro, not less. | ||
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bsdaemon
618 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On February 12 2014 04:19 pedrlz wrote: "Everyone hated Broodlord at WoL, so let's make a broodlord who can't fly, everyone will love it." Seriously, what is the problem of blizzard? Anyways, thanks for the work of you and the players. BL/Infestor could still sometimes lead to good TvZ and PvZ macro games, it just put the Terran or Protoss at a disadvantage. Swarm hosts don't really give the zerg an advantage at all, they just lead to more boring games. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
Also, are Hasu and Socke now the German Archon? | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
On February 12 2014 04:19 avilo wrote: The problem is right now there's no risk at all to really using blink stalkers in PvT. You can virtually always escape every single time either from the Terran's base after offensive blinks, or you can do the fake blink macro builds and never lose any stalkers but still heavily pressure Terran at no risk whatsoever to yourself. Making blink require more thought to use and have more risk associated to it will go a long way to help TvP balance because right now the balance of TvP is quite abysmal. There are too, too many PvT openings that have low risks associated with them, blink probably being the one that almost always puts the Protoss player ahead, or at the very worst even which is pretty lame. I think even just the MsC vision nerf will create vastly more risk for the Protoss player when trying to blink in. If you only move the MsC close enough to the edge to blink the stalkers in, then you can't see if the Terran has units in position to defend; move it in far enough to see, and it's in danger of being sniped. The Blink cooldown nerf seems really unneccessary, especially since it will have a massive effect on blink stalkers in macro situations. This coming from a Terran player. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On the other hand, Desrow's I fear this widow mine buff will make mech slightly too strong vs Protoss borders on the ridiculous. If he has a good reason to predict this, he should really elaborate on it, because literally no-one else believes it. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
San's bewilderment is kind of funny. Yes, San, you read this patch right, Blizzard is actually nerfing Protoss openings. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
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Jornada
United States223 Posts
On February 12 2014 04:19 avilo wrote: The problem is right now there's no risk at all to really using blink stalkers in PvT. You can virtually always escape every single time either from the Terran's base after offensive blinks, or you can do the fake blink macro builds and never lose any stalkers but still heavily pressure Terran at no risk whatsoever to yourself. Making blink require more thought to use and have more risk associated to it will go a long way to help TvP balance because right now the balance of TvP is quite abysmal. There are too, too many PvT openings that have low risks associated with them, blink probably being the one that almost always puts the Protoss player ahead, or at the very worst even which is pretty lame. Dont agree with your thought process at all. NonY pretty much explained how pathetic Stalkers are in general. I did a test to check how Good or Bad Stalkers are. In a straight up fight Stalkers lose to. Roach, Hydra, Marauders (With or Without concussive shells). Bascially early or late game Stalkers are sub-par to Roaches and Marauders. If the Blink cool down is increased from 10-15 it pretty much takes away everything that makes a blink stalker a blink stalker. The whole point of SC2 trying to be exciting and entertaining. If you nerf the blink stalker that much you do exactly what NonY said to them... "It'll force Protoss to be much MORE passive with Stalkers" So your pretty much forcing Toss to stay at home. Scarlett made a good point in saying an increase cooldown to 11 or 12 would be more than enough. I think your Protoss hate avilo clouds your judgement and balance issues I could care less about Tempest change because i think the issue is Swarm Hosts. Maybe Tempest might help a little but with that but SH is what needs to be closer looked at. I understand that some of these changes are just projections and nothing official is going to be implemented. But i think it is a horrible idea if blizzard goes through with blink nerf. | ||
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igay
Australia1178 Posts
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Rasias
Germany51 Posts
On February 12 2014 04:11 Musicus wrote: So Hasu and Socke officialy morphed together at this pooint :D. There should only be one liquipedia/aligulac page maybe. They even have an almost identical amount of twitter followers haha. We need someone with photoshop skillz.. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
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