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this is why i loved carmack
he also was very nice about growing the scene for cs go with the ems one regular tournament instead of a single big event like dota2 and lol, spreading the cash, ...
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On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:
Some thoughts, since the reaction is as mixed as we expected.
IEM's 5 events leading up to IEM Katowice have 125k in combined prize money.
- 40 fully paid travel + hotel throughout the season
- Guaranteed 350$ if you made it through open bracket to group stage
- Open brackets at the main season events
- Open bracket spots available at cologne
IEM does more than most to support the SC2 player player space and what we realized is that as important at it is, we want Katowice to be special - it's not about giving a little bit to everyone. The Starcraft 2 community is now competing against the likes of Dota 2, LoL and even CS:GO which will have a 250,000$ prize pool going on at the same time. If you want to talk and complain about Alive Game, then you have to take risks and make shit happen. Following the model of the last 3 years when there exists a WCS system to support players internationally just wont cut it.
Katowice is not for every mid tier player and it might not even be for a few of the players who managed to win an event stop.
I expect someone will drop out who qualified if they think they cant win.
Is it a bit nuts? Yes. Could someone throw a match? Yes. Could players come up with an agreement between themselves to split it 16 ways? Yes. Do i think Naniwa is going to keep his word and split 100k with the likes of Korean players he has shit on in the past? Would they split it back with him or take it to their team instead? I have no clue. Is someone going to choke, get cheesed 3 games in a row and have wasted a day of work? Probably. Is it going to be emotional? Yes.
And that is exactly why we are doing it.
My thoughts exactly. It's nice to take a look at the big picture and put things into perspective.
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Actually, Kennigit's post might have seduced me a little bit...
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On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:
Some thoughts, since the reaction is as mixed as we expected.
IEM's 5 events leading up to IEM Katowice have 125k in combined prize money.
- 40 fully paid travel + hotel throughout the season
- Guaranteed 350$ if you made it through open bracket to group stage
- Open brackets at the main season events
- Open bracket spots available at cologne
IEM does more than most to support the SC2 player player space and what we realized is that as important at it is, we want Katowice to be special - it's not about giving a little bit to everyone. The Starcraft 2 community is now competing against the likes of Dota 2, LoL and even CS:GO which will have a 250,000$ prize pool going on at the same time. If you want to talk and complain about Alive Game, then you have to take risks and make shit happen. Following the model of the last 3 years when there exists a WCS system to support players internationally just wont cut it.
Katowice is not for every mid tier player and it might not even be for a few of the players who managed to win an event stop.
I expect someone will drop out who qualified if they think they cant win.
Is it a bit nuts? Yes. Could someone throw a match? Yes. Could players come up with an agreement between themselves to split it 16 ways? Yes. Do i think Naniwa is going to keep his word and split 100k with the likes of Korean players he has shit on in the past? Would they split it back with him or take it to their team instead? I have no clue. Is someone going to choke, get cheesed 3 games in a row and have wasted a day of work? Probably. Is it going to be emotional? Yes.
And that is exactly why we are doing it.
So basically, fuck everything, It's dramatic.
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On January 28 2014 04:50 BisuDagger wrote:
This is going to be epic. Think about how intense the grand finals will be with everything on the line. Already this is generating so much hype. I'm loving the adversity created and in the end it's going to be super fun.
since it'll be at 99% split the grand final won't be that exciting if you know how things work.
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On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:
Some thoughts, since the reaction is as mixed as we expected.
IEM's 5 events leading up to IEM Katowice have 125k in combined prize money.
- 40 fully paid travel + hotel throughout the season
- Guaranteed 350$ if you made it through open bracket to group stage
- Open brackets at the main season events
- Open bracket spots available at cologne
IEM does more than most to support the SC2 player player space and what we realized is that as important at it is, we want Katowice to be special - it's not about giving a little bit to everyone. The Starcraft 2 community is now competing against the likes of Dota 2, LoL and even CS:GO which will have a 250,000$ prize pool going on at the same time. If you want to talk and complain about Alive Game, then you have to take risks and make shit happen. Following the model of the last 3 years when there exists a WCS system to support players internationally just wont cut it.
Katowice is not for every mid tier player and it might not even be for a few of the players who managed to win an event stop.
I expect someone will drop out who qualified if they think they cant win.
Is it a bit nuts? Yes. Could someone throw a match? Yes. Could players come up with an agreement between themselves to split it 16 ways? Yes. Do i think Naniwa is going to keep his word and split 100k with the likes of Korean players he has shit on in the past? Would they split it back with him or take it to their team instead? I have no clue. Is someone going to choke, get cheesed 3 games in a row and have wasted a day of work? Probably. Is it going to be emotional? Yes.
And that is exactly why we are doing it.
Logic? It does not belong here.
Rabble rabble rabble, how dare IEM defy the status quo with .... only one of their events? They're killing esports, this is unacceptable, rabble rabble rabble.
At least this brings the hype, one way or another, which sadly most IEM events seem to lack.
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On January 28 2014 04:43 NovaMB wrote:
Seriously IEM, dont invite anyone, let the remaining 6 qualify. Inviting would be a really really bad move
I guess they would invite the top 4 of the WCS ranking. So you qualify through WCS points.
The already invited players qualified through winning an IEM.
I dunno. If they would hold online qualifiers i think it would be pretty absurd. You play so many unknown players consecutively with often only bo1 or bo3 in the first rounds. Its more difficult and more unpredictable for the better player in comparison to an offline environment, where you can prepare for your opponents.
so you might end up with some qualified players who have zero chance for any price money.
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i like this idea, it'll really be a memorable tournament
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I hope all Z players go 1 hour SH games and destroy ESL schedule 
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On January 28 2014 05:00 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Some thoughts, since the reaction is as mixed as we expected.
IEM's 5 events leading up to IEM Katowice have 125k in combined prize money.
- 40 fully paid travel + hotel throughout the season
- Guaranteed 350$ if you made it through open bracket to group stage
- Open brackets at the main season events
- Open bracket spots available at cologne
IEM does more than most to support the SC2 player player space and what we realized is that as important at it is, we want Katowice to be special - it's not about giving a little bit to everyone. The Starcraft 2 community is now competing against the likes of Dota 2, LoL and even CS:GO which will have a 250,000$ prize pool going on at the same time. If you want to talk and complain about Alive Game, then you have to take risks and make shit happen. Following the model of the last 3 years when there exists a WCS system to support players internationally just wont cut it.
Katowice is not for every mid tier player and it might not even be for a few of the players who managed to win an event stop.
I expect someone will drop out who qualified if they think they cant win.
Is it a bit nuts? Yes. Could someone throw a match? Yes. Could players come up with an agreement between themselves to split it 16 ways? Yes. Do i think Naniwa is going to keep his word and split 100k with the likes of Korean players he has shit on in the past? Would they split it back with him or take it to their team instead? I have no clue. Is someone going to choke, get cheesed 3 games in a row and have wasted a day of work? Probably. Is it going to be emotional? Yes.
And that is exactly why we are doing it.
Please Kennigit, if you are really doing this, dont invite any players. Let everyone fight to get there. Inviting would be the worst thing you could do to this.
I don't think you have to worry about invites. There was never an invite to the IEM WC afaik.
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Besides being winner takes it all, make it best of 1 in coinflip as well. As Nazgul said its very hard to be negative about a 100 000$ eSport tournament but who made the decision to host a tournament that gets such a big pricepool and make it winner takes it all? If you go with a 10000$ tournament and make it winner takes it all, I can kind of understand the prestige and your way of selling it as a tournament thats special, but 100 000 just for promoting that system is too much.
While there was distube about making the price money distribution into the lower ranks (8-16) which I did disagree and will always disagree with , because I feel like the top players should share the prize , only allowing the winner to get all of it is silly. IEM covers flight/hotel right? Because otherwise, there is no reason for players to participate if they don't feel there is a realistic chance for them to win in the first place. If you are a progamer, part of your job is also judgemental. If you create more costs for yourself or your team without a chance to actually get some money, you will not last long as a pro.
Hope they review and change the system of IEM. good luck to anyone
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At least most of everyone has a chance, since SC2 has such a high variance.
Downside is that even if you are considered one of the best in the world, you can still lose to silly things and/or lesser players.
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On January 28 2014 04:50 BisuDagger wrote:
This is going to be epic. Think about how intense the grand finals will be with everything on the line. Already this is generating so much hype. I'm loving the adversity created and in the end it's going to be super fun.
It's not going to be fun when the finals ends up being a really fucking shitty series and then you think... "Wait, this guy just got $100,000 for THAT Bo7??" Think how funny it'd be if the finals ended up being a PvP, too.
I don't think the organizer or whoever thought of this understands SC2 to any degree. SC2 has never ever been a consistent enough game to warrant having winner-takes-all (Especially PvP). Unlike Chess, which is a pure strategy and logic game, SC2 has a ton of variables and imbalances (I'm not talking about whether Terran v Protoss a balanced matchup, but that applies, too).
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On January 28 2014 05:03 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 05:00 NovaMB wrote:On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Some thoughts, since the reaction is as mixed as we expected.
IEM's 5 events leading up to IEM Katowice have 125k in combined prize money.
- 40 fully paid travel + hotel throughout the season
- Guaranteed 350$ if you made it through open bracket to group stage
- Open brackets at the main season events
- Open bracket spots available at cologne
IEM does more than most to support the SC2 player player space and what we realized is that as important at it is, we want Katowice to be special - it's not about giving a little bit to everyone. The Starcraft 2 community is now competing against the likes of Dota 2, LoL and even CS:GO which will have a 250,000$ prize pool going on at the same time. If you want to talk and complain about Alive Game, then you have to take risks and make shit happen. Following the model of the last 3 years when there exists a WCS system to support players internationally just wont cut it.
Katowice is not for every mid tier player and it might not even be for a few of the players who managed to win an event stop.
I expect someone will drop out who qualified if they think they cant win.
Is it a bit nuts? Yes. Could someone throw a match? Yes. Could players come up with an agreement between themselves to split it 16 ways? Yes. Do i think Naniwa is going to keep his word and split 100k with the likes of Korean players he has shit on in the past? Would they split it back with him or take it to their team instead? I have no clue. Is someone going to choke, get cheesed 3 games in a row and have wasted a day of work? Probably. Is it going to be emotional? Yes.
And that is exactly why we are doing it.
Please Kennigit, if you are really doing this, dont invite any players. Let everyone fight to get there. Inviting would be the worst thing you could do to this. I don't think you have to worry about invites. There was never an invite to the IEM WC afaik.
The announcement states that the last 6 players will be determined through qualifiers/invites.
The six remaining places will be decided through a series of invites and open qualifiers with more information on the specifics coming in near future.
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haahahahah i like this idea!!
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On January 28 2014 04:57 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Well everyone that qualifies to be there was either first or second at an IEM, so they already had 10k and 4k for that. And they get all their expenses paid to travel there.
The players that attend the IEM Finals are not on the poor side of the progamer spectrum in the first place.
For IEM its hard because WCS is so dominant in the scene and all other tournaments have to find a place to be relevant.
I would say last year the ranking for relevance was
1. 1x Blizzcon
2. 3x WCS Season Finals
3. 3x WCS Korea
4. 3x WCS AM
5. 3x WCS EU
6. 1x Dreamhack Finals
8. 1x IEM Finals
I can see why IEM would want to move up in relevance. It makes it a lot more interesting for the top players to attend.
guys like taeja who said before that they would like to win a little more than 10k if they travel to a major event.
Exactly, the players have already gotten some money, they have expenses paid for ONE weekend of competitive play for a chance at a dream 100,000 prize pool. This is life changing for whatever player wins it, this is why players compete at all is so they have a chance to win the BIG money. Yes they could split it but it would not be nearly as grand. One weekend of their lives for 100,000, no one will turn down their spot.
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oh my god this is so stupid....
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On January 28 2014 05:02 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:
Some thoughts, since the reaction is as mixed as we expected.
IEM's 5 events leading up to IEM Katowice have 125k in combined prize money.
- 40 fully paid travel + hotel throughout the season
- Guaranteed 350$ if you made it through open bracket to group stage
- Open brackets at the main season events
- Open bracket spots available at cologne
IEM does more than most to support the SC2 player player space and what we realized is that as important at it is, we want Katowice to be special - it's not about giving a little bit to everyone. The Starcraft 2 community is now competing against the likes of Dota 2, LoL and even CS:GO which will have a 250,000$ prize pool going on at the same time. If you want to talk and complain about Alive Game, then you have to take risks and make shit happen. Following the model of the last 3 years when there exists a WCS system to support players internationally just wont cut it.
Katowice is not for every mid tier player and it might not even be for a few of the players who managed to win an event stop.
I expect someone will drop out who qualified if they think they cant win.
Is it a bit nuts? Yes. Could someone throw a match? Yes. Could players come up with an agreement between themselves to split it 16 ways? Yes. Do i think Naniwa is going to keep his word and split 100k with the likes of Korean players he has shit on in the past? Would they split it back with him or take it to their team instead? I have no clue. Is someone going to choke, get cheesed 3 games in a row and have wasted a day of work? Probably. Is it going to be emotional? Yes.
And that is exactly why we are doing it.
So basically, fuck everything, It's dramatic.
Great for viewers, terrible for players. zzzz
+well, not that bad considering everything is paid for. Players will just feel terrible if they don't get first
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