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On January 28 2014 04:43 ProBot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:39 Epamynondas wrote:On January 28 2014 04:36 ProBot wrote:
So let me get this straight, most of you are telling me you would turn down the chance at an free trip to a tournament at a chance of winning 100k just because there's only 1 payout?
No, but as an spectator I feel that all games of this tournament besides the finals will be less meaningful than if a player increased their prize for every match they won. then those players have every right to .... NOT GO. Wholly fuck your all acting like this is the standard here. It's a one off thing that they're trying. In reality are any of you not going to watch it? Probably not, so why the fuck does it matter. Every time anyone tries to do something slightly different in the community people bring out the pitch forks without even thinking about what the fuck they're saying. Just let them do what they're going to do and if it sucks. Fair enough ... bitch. But not giving them the chance before even giving it a go ..... grow up guys.
I'm not talking about the players at all, I'm talking about my reactions as an spectator, and I think my spectating experience will be less fun due to this prize distribution. (Which is the main point of this big announcement, and thus what this thread is supposed to be about).
I didn't say "Fire carmac", "fuck redeye and his hype" or anything. I'm just voicing my opinion on this matter which happens to be negative.
I will probably watch, but that's because i'm a tournament addict, so yeah, IEM will still get my eyeballs. Good for them. This doesn't make me less sad about their decision.
Also, there's no "giving them the chance before giving it a go". There's nothing else to wait for. All the information is avaliable to us. Yes, maybe the finals of this tournament happen to be intense as fuck, with some godly micro from both players to decide the 7th game of the series. But I still feel this is a bad choice regardless of how the torunament ends up playing out.
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This is going to be epic. Think about how intense the grand finals will be with everything on the line. Already this is generating so much hype. I'm loving the adversity created and in the end it's going to be super fun.
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This a way for the organizers to brag about a $100k first prize and not have to put up the money for the rest of the pool. Disgusting
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Dunno if I have to put it on the OP. :/
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Guess they need a gimmick for people to tune in with those qualified players.
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On January 28 2014 04:36 ProBot wrote:
So let me get this straight, most of you are telling me you would turn down the chance at an free trip to a tournament at a chance of winning 100k just because there's only 1 payout?
Your average equity for attending, assuming that you have an equal chance as everyone else to win the tournament, is $6,250. It's a huge negative that you only walk home with anything in your pocket 1 in 16 times, though. The goal of anyone who ever played poker seriously is to reduce variance, not to increase it.
Not to mention the awful attitude you're espousing that players should take whatever bullshit they're handed and say "thank you sir may I please have another." Terrible tournament organizing? No air conditioning? Bad computers? "So let me get this straight, most of you are telling me you would turn down the chance at a free trip to a tournament because _________?" Awful logic.
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On January 28 2014 04:51 Aeromi wrote:Dunno if I have to put it on the OP. :/
You don't have to, I just wanted it to be in this thread in general 
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koreans should like it if they asked for that code s prize pool
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This is pretty horrible for the players. Doesn't really get me more hyped. I'm about watching good games, not people getting huge amounts of money. If anything this will cause the majority of games to be worse.
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Basically my first reaction as well.
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On January 28 2014 04:50 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm loving the adversity created and in the end it's going to be super fun.
I don't think this is the kind of adversity ESL was looking for.
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On January 28 2014 04:52 Jono7272 wrote:
This is pretty horrible for the players. Doesn't really get me more hyped. I'm about watching good games, not people getting huge amounts of money. If anything this will cause the majority of games to be worse.
I don't get how it will make games worse.
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On January 28 2014 04:50 BisuDagger wrote:
This is going to be epic. Think about how intense the grand finals will be with everything on the line. Already this is generating so much hype. I'm loving the adversity created and in the end it's going to be super fun.
Are you implying a grand finals with prize pool splitting is going to be more intense than your usual "normal" finals?
I really don't get why a final would be better with the winner taking everything home. (or at least supposedly taking it all)
The winner gets the glory, bigger check and trophy. Is that not enough?
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I honestly hope the players all come out and openly declare they will split the pot. Making a statement would be the right thing to do here.
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What is this..? I don't even...
Pretty weird idea, this may be more entertaining for the audience, but definitely not for the players. A normal splitted prize pool would be better imo. But hey, let's try this out.
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On January 28 2014 04:38 MavivaM wrote:
I can't imagine a single player who wouldn't split it with the other finalist, thus making the whole sistem not only pointless but unfair for 3rd/4th players.
Really? Would you have the nerves to play a Bo7 with such huge payout, knowing however that if you lose you get quite literally nothing? (whereas in any other major tournament finals, you still get something, and that something is almost always still a very sizable wad of cash)
I mean, it's definitely a little unfair to assume that anyone would agree to split the money in the finals, since all we can do is assume and speculate, but it's a fairly reasonable assumption that the finalists would rather agree to split the money 50/50 and just have a fun, entertaining match, rather than have an enormous amount of pressure put on them in an all-or-nothing scenario. Although you never know when someone like MC shows up with massive balls of steel and just takes it all. That would be a terrific story, come to think of it. So maybe that's why they came up with this idea in the first place...
As for how this format stacks up against a more traditional one and how it affects the overall player pool, I have nothing to say that hasn't been already said (and will continue to be rehashed on every page of this thread)
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Wow, this is horrible... To "increase exposure" even further, they could switch from sc2 to Russian roulette for the finals...
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On January 28 2014 04:54 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:52 Jono7272 wrote:
This is pretty horrible for the players. Doesn't really get me more hyped. I'm about watching good games, not people getting huge amounts of money. If anything this will cause the majority of games to be worse. I don't get how it will make games worse.
Players who don't feel they can win it will put in less effort, possibly. I can't see it making things better.
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I don't understand why they can't give a thousand to everyone other than first place, and then 85,000 for the winner. It still makes for one big-ass payout without to the winner being utterly disrespectful to the other competitors.
Lob-sided stuff like this is okay in a $100 amateur tournament, because the payout is laughable, but these professional players have to take time to prepare for the games, they have to travel to the tournament, and then they have to be on their best behaviour to rep. their sponsors and teams. It's like telling all these players who put as much effort into losing as the winner did into winning that their time is worth nothing.
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Holly shit thats a lot of money !
Give it to meeee!
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EPT
