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On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:
If you want to talk and complain about Alive Game, then you have to take risks and make shit happen.
Stupid memes are now being used as an argument by tournament organizers to rectify, well, everything they come up with... 
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On January 28 2014 05:04 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 05:03 Musicus wrote:On January 28 2014 05:00 NovaMB wrote:On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Some thoughts, since the reaction is as mixed as we expected.
IEM's 5 events leading up to IEM Katowice have 125k in combined prize money.
- 40 fully paid travel + hotel throughout the season
- Guaranteed 350$ if you made it through open bracket to group stage
- Open brackets at the main season events
- Open bracket spots available at cologne
IEM does more than most to support the SC2 player player space and what we realized is that as important at it is, we want Katowice to be special - it's not about giving a little bit to everyone. The Starcraft 2 community is now competing against the likes of Dota 2, LoL and even CS:GO which will have a 250,000$ prize pool going on at the same time. If you want to talk and complain about Alive Game, then you have to take risks and make shit happen. Following the model of the last 3 years when there exists a WCS system to support players internationally just wont cut it.
Katowice is not for every mid tier player and it might not even be for a few of the players who managed to win an event stop.
I expect someone will drop out who qualified if they think they cant win.
Is it a bit nuts? Yes. Could someone throw a match? Yes. Could players come up with an agreement between themselves to split it 16 ways? Yes. Do i think Naniwa is going to keep his word and split 100k with the likes of Korean players he has shit on in the past? Would they split it back with him or take it to their team instead? I have no clue. Is someone going to choke, get cheesed 3 games in a row and have wasted a day of work? Probably. Is it going to be emotional? Yes.
And that is exactly why we are doing it.
Please Kennigit, if you are really doing this, dont invite any players. Let everyone fight to get there. Inviting would be the worst thing you could do to this. I don't think you have to worry about invites. There was never an invite to the IEM WC afaik. The announcement states that the last 6 players will be determined through qualifiers/invites. Show nested quote +The six remaining places will be decided through a series of invites and open qualifiers with more information on the specifics coming in near future.
As the posters before me, I hope that the invites will at least be based on something sound, like WCS performance etc. Though a qualifier would be the best solution, imo, but who would really try to qualifiy for an insane format like this? I guess a free trip to Katowice is nice, but apart from that...
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I simply think they did it for TaeJa so he can retire from SC2 right afterwards and let foreigners' dreams come true (or JD when we look at him aaaand he's going to attend every tournament in Europe again I feel) . Kappa
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United States97277 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:04 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 05:03 Musicus wrote:On January 28 2014 05:00 NovaMB wrote:On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Some thoughts, since the reaction is as mixed as we expected.
IEM's 5 events leading up to IEM Katowice have 125k in combined prize money.
- 40 fully paid travel + hotel throughout the season
- Guaranteed 350$ if you made it through open bracket to group stage
- Open brackets at the main season events
- Open bracket spots available at cologne
IEM does more than most to support the SC2 player player space and what we realized is that as important at it is, we want Katowice to be special - it's not about giving a little bit to everyone. The Starcraft 2 community is now competing against the likes of Dota 2, LoL and even CS:GO which will have a 250,000$ prize pool going on at the same time. If you want to talk and complain about Alive Game, then you have to take risks and make shit happen. Following the model of the last 3 years when there exists a WCS system to support players internationally just wont cut it.
Katowice is not for every mid tier player and it might not even be for a few of the players who managed to win an event stop.
I expect someone will drop out who qualified if they think they cant win.
Is it a bit nuts? Yes. Could someone throw a match? Yes. Could players come up with an agreement between themselves to split it 16 ways? Yes. Do i think Naniwa is going to keep his word and split 100k with the likes of Korean players he has shit on in the past? Would they split it back with him or take it to their team instead? I have no clue. Is someone going to choke, get cheesed 3 games in a row and have wasted a day of work? Probably. Is it going to be emotional? Yes.
And that is exactly why we are doing it.
Please Kennigit, if you are really doing this, dont invite any players. Let everyone fight to get there. Inviting would be the worst thing you could do to this. I don't think you have to worry about invites. There was never an invite to the IEM WC afaik. The announcement states that the last 6 players will be determined through qualifiers/invites. Show nested quote +The six remaining places will be decided through a series of invites and open qualifiers with more information on the specifics coming in near future.
by invites and open qualifier I assume it probably means the few players are invited to stage 2 of the qualifiers in like NA and EU as usual. Hopefully not to the actual tournament.
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You know what, fuck it all. Time for this to be a SHOW ^^. It's happening - one off, they've decided this is how it's going to go down - I fundamentally disagree with the distribution but you know what it's time to get crazy and see what comes of this ^^.
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On January 28 2014 05:04 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 05:03 Musicus wrote:On January 28 2014 05:00 NovaMB wrote:On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Some thoughts, since the reaction is as mixed as we expected.
IEM's 5 events leading up to IEM Katowice have 125k in combined prize money.
- 40 fully paid travel + hotel throughout the season
- Guaranteed 350$ if you made it through open bracket to group stage
- Open brackets at the main season events
- Open bracket spots available at cologne
IEM does more than most to support the SC2 player player space and what we realized is that as important at it is, we want Katowice to be special - it's not about giving a little bit to everyone. The Starcraft 2 community is now competing against the likes of Dota 2, LoL and even CS:GO which will have a 250,000$ prize pool going on at the same time. If you want to talk and complain about Alive Game, then you have to take risks and make shit happen. Following the model of the last 3 years when there exists a WCS system to support players internationally just wont cut it.
Katowice is not for every mid tier player and it might not even be for a few of the players who managed to win an event stop.
I expect someone will drop out who qualified if they think they cant win.
Is it a bit nuts? Yes. Could someone throw a match? Yes. Could players come up with an agreement between themselves to split it 16 ways? Yes. Do i think Naniwa is going to keep his word and split 100k with the likes of Korean players he has shit on in the past? Would they split it back with him or take it to their team instead? I have no clue. Is someone going to choke, get cheesed 3 games in a row and have wasted a day of work? Probably. Is it going to be emotional? Yes.
And that is exactly why we are doing it.
Please Kennigit, if you are really doing this, dont invite any players. Let everyone fight to get there. Inviting would be the worst thing you could do to this. I don't think you have to worry about invites. There was never an invite to the IEM WC afaik. The announcement states that the last 6 players will be determined through qualifiers/invites. Show nested quote +The six remaining places will be decided through a series of invites and open qualifiers with more information on the specifics coming in near future.
Oh god, well I guess they really don't care about anything this time. Well let's give them their wild night out I guess, hopefully no one remembers the next day.
Could still be the usal ranking invites as in seeds for the qualifiers though.
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On January 28 2014 05:06 Steins;Gate wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 05:02 Dodgin wrote:On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:
Some thoughts, since the reaction is as mixed as we expected.
IEM's 5 events leading up to IEM Katowice have 125k in combined prize money.
- 40 fully paid travel + hotel throughout the season
- Guaranteed 350$ if you made it through open bracket to group stage
- Open brackets at the main season events
- Open bracket spots available at cologne
IEM does more than most to support the SC2 player player space and what we realized is that as important at it is, we want Katowice to be special - it's not about giving a little bit to everyone. The Starcraft 2 community is now competing against the likes of Dota 2, LoL and even CS:GO which will have a 250,000$ prize pool going on at the same time. If you want to talk and complain about Alive Game, then you have to take risks and make shit happen. Following the model of the last 3 years when there exists a WCS system to support players internationally just wont cut it.
Katowice is not for every mid tier player and it might not even be for a few of the players who managed to win an event stop.
I expect someone will drop out who qualified if they think they cant win.
Is it a bit nuts? Yes. Could someone throw a match? Yes. Could players come up with an agreement between themselves to split it 16 ways? Yes. Do i think Naniwa is going to keep his word and split 100k with the likes of Korean players he has shit on in the past? Would they split it back with him or take it to their team instead? I have no clue. Is someone going to choke, get cheesed 3 games in a row and have wasted a day of work? Probably. Is it going to be emotional? Yes.
And that is exactly why we are doing it.
So basically, fuck everything, It's dramatic. Great for viewers, terrible for players. zzzz
When the games actually are being played, I don't even think it'll be that great for viewers. Still hoping for an emotional finals, though. Rage and tears, happiness and smiles <3
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Bisutopia19391 Posts
On January 28 2014 04:54 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:50 BisuDagger wrote:
This is going to be epic. Think about how intense the grand finals will be with everything on the line. Already this is generating so much hype. I'm loving the adversity created and in the end it's going to be super fun. Are you implying a grand finals with prize pool splitting is going to be more intense than your usual "normal" finals? I really don't get why a final would be better with the winner taking everything home. (or at least supposedly taking it all) The winner gets the glory, bigger check and trophy. Is that not enough?
Are you really trying to argue my opinion as if it will change and open my eyes in admitting you are correct? I prefer not to defend my opinions but enjoy my being optimistic.
Guys, right here is the positive hype train. Where anyone who would like to just be excited about this instead of doom and gloomy can join for the ride. This tournament will not end Starcraft 2 as we know it. It will be fun and I am excited to make time to watch it.
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The finals will be awesome, from a spectator point of view.
I don't know if i like it, though. Very glad that expenses are covered, otherwise it would've been pretty terrible.
Thinking about it, except i if were a top notch player, i wouldn't even want to attend, i wouldn't have any motivation, at all.
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On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:
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Is it a bit nuts? Yes. Could someone throw a match? Yes. Could players come up with an agreement between themselves to split it 16 ways? Yes. Do i think Naniwa is going to keep his word and split 100k with the likes of Korean players he has shit on in the past? Would they split it back with him or take it to their team instead? I have no clue. Is someone going to choke, get cheesed 3 games in a row and have wasted a day of work? Probably. Is it going to be emotional? Yes.
To be fair there have been examples in the past where people had decided to split the money before playing the finals, to then have the winner run away - or at least there have been accusations in that fashion. But probably you already know it...
A huge amount of money for a single person and possibility of deciding about splitting without regulations seems anything but a good idea.
I agree about it being really emotional, but personally I don't like it at all.
Oh, and I bet Naniwa won't play since deciding about to split with guys who don't speak your language and most importantly live far away from you with different jurisdiction seems too relying on human factors. Which immediately disappear as long as ca$h shows up.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
In a context where WCS is doing a sufficient job supporting players and a host of other tournaments throughout the year (including IEMS) this is a welcome break from the status quo. Will be interested to see if there's any noticeable change in tournament quality/reception.
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On January 28 2014 05:07 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 05:04 NovaMB wrote:On January 28 2014 05:03 Musicus wrote:On January 28 2014 05:00 NovaMB wrote:On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Some thoughts, since the reaction is as mixed as we expected.
IEM's 5 events leading up to IEM Katowice have 125k in combined prize money.
- 40 fully paid travel + hotel throughout the season
- Guaranteed 350$ if you made it through open bracket to group stage
- Open brackets at the main season events
- Open bracket spots available at cologne
IEM does more than most to support the SC2 player player space and what we realized is that as important at it is, we want Katowice to be special - it's not about giving a little bit to everyone. The Starcraft 2 community is now competing against the likes of Dota 2, LoL and even CS:GO which will have a 250,000$ prize pool going on at the same time. If you want to talk and complain about Alive Game, then you have to take risks and make shit happen. Following the model of the last 3 years when there exists a WCS system to support players internationally just wont cut it.
Katowice is not for every mid tier player and it might not even be for a few of the players who managed to win an event stop.
I expect someone will drop out who qualified if they think they cant win.
Is it a bit nuts? Yes. Could someone throw a match? Yes. Could players come up with an agreement between themselves to split it 16 ways? Yes. Do i think Naniwa is going to keep his word and split 100k with the likes of Korean players he has shit on in the past? Would they split it back with him or take it to their team instead? I have no clue. Is someone going to choke, get cheesed 3 games in a row and have wasted a day of work? Probably. Is it going to be emotional? Yes.
And that is exactly why we are doing it.
Please Kennigit, if you are really doing this, dont invite any players. Let everyone fight to get there. Inviting would be the worst thing you could do to this. I don't think you have to worry about invites. There was never an invite to the IEM WC afaik. The announcement states that the last 6 players will be determined through qualifiers/invites. The six remaining places will be decided through a series of invites and open qualifiers with more information on the specifics coming in near future. As the posters before me, I hope that the invites will at least be based on something sound, like WCS performance etc. Though a qualifier would be the best solution, imo, but who would really try to qualifiy for an insane format like this? I guess a free trip to Katowice is nice, but apart from that...
The problem with WCS invites is, none of the regions will even be finished by the IEM WC. So the highest rated players in the WCS rankings will be the winners of Asus Rog, IEM Sao Paolo and IEM Cologne. And the IEM winners will be there anyway
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So, from twitter I heard the following opinions:
HasuObs says, that it is a bad decision.
Babyknight says, that it is a bad decision.
TargA says, that it is a bad decision.
Bly says, that it is a bad decision.
HerO says, that it is a bad decision.
Goswser says, that it is a bad decision.
ThorZaIN says, that it is a bad decision.
Did I miss anyone?
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United States23455 Posts
I'm cool with this if they:
A) Bring back that heart meter thing
B) Finish up the Ro4 on the second to last day so that you can hype the $100,000 finals for an entire day
C) Have a gigantic briefcase for the winning player to grab when they win
D) Somehow get MarineKing into the finals
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On January 28 2014 05:08 Yorbon wrote:
The finals will be awesome, from a spectator point of view.
I don't know if i like it, though. Very glad that expenses are covered, otherwise it would've been pretty terrible.
Thinking about it, except i if were a top notch player, i wouldn't even want to attend, i wouldn't have any motivation, at all.
Well, its free to go and they'll get their sponsor shirts on the air. Don't see a reason why any player would not go.
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On January 28 2014 05:02 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:58 Kennigit wrote:
Some thoughts, since the reaction is as mixed as we expected.
IEM's 5 events leading up to IEM Katowice have 125k in combined prize money.
- 40 fully paid travel + hotel throughout the season
- Guaranteed 350$ if you made it through open bracket to group stage
- Open brackets at the main season events
- Open bracket spots available at cologne
IEM does more than most to support the SC2 player player space and what we realized is that as important at it is, we want Katowice to be special - it's not about giving a little bit to everyone. The Starcraft 2 community is now competing against the likes of Dota 2, LoL and even CS:GO which will have a 250,000$ prize pool going on at the same time. If you want to talk and complain about Alive Game, then you have to take risks and make shit happen. Following the model of the last 3 years when there exists a WCS system to support players internationally just wont cut it.
Katowice is not for every mid tier player and it might not even be for a few of the players who managed to win an event stop.
I expect someone will drop out who qualified if they think they cant win.
Is it a bit nuts? Yes. Could someone throw a match? Yes. Could players come up with an agreement between themselves to split it 16 ways? Yes. Do i think Naniwa is going to keep his word and split 100k with the likes of Korean players he has shit on in the past? Would they split it back with him or take it to their team instead? I have no clue. Is someone going to choke, get cheesed 3 games in a row and have wasted a day of work? Probably. Is it going to be emotional? Yes.
And that is exactly why we are doing it.
So basically, fuck everything, It's dramatic.
Additionally, those players are (or at least should) already be on a very stable financial footing. Contrary to everybody citing Carmac's blog IEM is not killing the "middle class" with a series of winner take all tournaments, but they are taking the players who are already making a lot of money by repeatedly proving that they are the best and try out an incredibly insane format as kennigt points out.
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On January 28 2014 05:08 MavivaM wrote:
Oh, and I bet Naniwa won't play since deciding about to split with guys who don't speak your language and most importantly live far away from you with different jurisdiction seems too relying on human factors. Which immediately disappear as long as ca$h shows up.
I really doubt that NaNiwa would be pulling out of this though since he is not always in it for the money.
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On January 28 2014 05:09 Xoronius wrote:
So, from twitter I heard the following opinions:
HasuObs says, that it is a bad decision
Babyknight says, that it is a bad decision
TargA says, that it is a bad decision
Bly says, that it is a bad decision
HerO says, that it is a bad decision
Goswser says, that it is a bad decision
Did I miss anyone?
Thorzain.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:09 Xoronius wrote:
So, from twitter I heard the following opinions:
HasuObs says, that it is a bad decision
Babyknight says, that it is a bad decision
TargA says, that it is a bad decision
Bly says, that it is a bad decision
HerO says, that it is a bad decision
Goswser says, that it is a bad decision
Did I miss anyone?
While I sit firmly in the "this is stupid camp" demuslim is in favour of this
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On January 28 2014 05:09 Xoronius wrote:
So, from twitter I heard the following opinions:
HasuObs says, that it is a bad decision
Babyknight says, that it is a bad decision
TargA says, that it is a bad decision
Bly says, that it is a bad decision
HerO says, that it is a bad decision
Goswser says, that it is a bad decision
Did I miss anyone?
ThorZaIN says it's a bad decision.
Hes got personal experience.
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