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Dingodile
4139 Posts
On January 28 2014 18:32 Tchado wrote: She does make a point , but my guts tell me if her husband had a chance of winning her opinion would've been different. Apparently Grubby made the biggest influence to Blizzard for the prizepool WCS 2013. WCS 2013 had like GSL distrubution until Grubby wrote a blog about it. | ||
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Germany4057 Posts
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cavallone009
24 Posts
"It is unfair for the players, but since its IEM's tournament anniversary, they can do whatever they want. But I'm sure it'll have good games The event format itself will bring hype, its just the matter of whom they will invite. I would like to see my favorites though, [namely] Alliance.Naniwa, SKT.Parting, [and] Mill.BabyKnight." - IPT.Heartz "As a fan and an observer who will be watching, I think it would be one of the most entertaining tourneys ever in SC2. Just thinking about the pressure the players will have to go through is immensely exciting already. But from a player's point of view, I think it sucks, [since] only 1 out of 16 will get any money for practicing their hearts out and travelling to Poland. Overall, I'm ecstatic about watching the said event." - MSIEvoGT.Dane "I can understand why they want to try it, however I'm not a fan of top heavy prizepools. A decent spread to as many players as possible is fairer, and a better reward for the time invested into the game." - Eddie "Honestly, I don't really have any issue with the format. When I first heard about it I thought it was really silly, until I found out that ESL will be paying flights/accommodation of qualified players. That changes a lot, in my opinion as the initial thought I had was that teams won't bother sending players to such a crazy price structure, since the chances of winning even for the best player wouldn't be high enough for the investment to send them there. Since all qualified players will be getting flights and accommodation paid, I think its a cool idea - although I hope it's just a one off!" - fray`Fenner "I think it's a really daring and bold thing IEM are doing. I think players are going to be upset but the fans are going to LOVE it. Friends of mine who haven't watched SC2 in a ages are telling me they're gonna tune in to watch it. I think with the amount of tournaments going around, and the fact that it's a once off and business as usual after the final that it's a really good idea (as a fan). I think an organization like ESL that has put so much money into the scene this year are perfectly entitled to do something crazy like this and pull it off." - Maynarde Taken from: http://www.mineski.net/news/2741-iem-world-championship-to-be-100-000-winner-takes-all-tournament | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
On January 28 2014 19:16 ScoutWBF wrote: "IEM World Championship to be Korean player Takes All for $100,000" Non-Koreans already whining because they know that don't have a chance at winning the whole thing. It's not even a joke. ~_~ I am sure many people like this "take all" if it was 15k€. But 100k is just unfair. | ||
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soerenman
Germany6 Posts
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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
On January 28 2014 19:03 LongShot27 wrote: If one of the guys who posted a negative tweet wins, get ready for the "I was just kidding! Winner takes all is the best format!" stuff afterward true to that my brother | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On January 28 2014 18:04 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: You mean the tournaments where travel funds were included in the public prizemoney numbers? Yeah I sent about 10 players there just in the last year. You're saying that a tournament announces X prize pool, say 50k, and 25k of that is actually paying for travel and not prize money? | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3692 Posts
I usually try to watch these IEMs as there are usually enough Koreans to make this worth watching (if it's not somewhere in Asia as those times are just beyond terrible for Europe), but I think I'll just not tune into this one as I don't really enjoy seeing a bunch of my favorite players wasting their time. | ||
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ShadowPie
Sweden19 Posts
I understand, and agree, that this is bad as a regular format but they have said many times that this is not to be the case. Give the guys some slack and enjoy! | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On January 28 2014 21:34 ShadowPie wrote: I really dont see why there is so much negativity surrounding this. IEM wants to celebrate with a special (unique) event and they are paying for all the players travel and accomodation. So basicly the players get a "free" shot at 100k, IEM gets a lot of hype and we get extremely tense matches since everyone will be playing 150%. I understand, and agree, that this is bad as a regular format but they have said many times that this is not to be the case. Give the guys some slack and enjoy! Yeah cuz who in their right mind would play to the best of their abilities if 1st prize was, lets say 60k.... | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
On January 28 2014 21:34 ShadowPie wrote: I really dont see why there is so much negativity surrounding this. IEM wants to celebrate with a special (unique) event and they are paying for all the players travel and accomodation. So basicly the players get a "free" shot at 100k, IEM gets a lot of hype and we get extremely tense matches since everyone will be playing 150%. I understand, and agree, that this is bad as a regular format but they have said many times that this is not to be the case. Give the guys some slack and enjoy! Do you know what the worst part is? 2nd pace is worse than 3rd or 8th in that tournament. 2nd pace shoud be more rewarded than 3rd orh 8th. | ||
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random hero
Germany31 Posts
I don't like the format, really, but it could be alright for a one-time thing. The fact that all participants get free flights and accomodation makes it at least acceptable. When I just saw the headline I thought "this is complete bullshit", but there are some aspects to it in the organizers explanations that I do find intriguing. The whole idea is pretty joker-esque, or has a feel of ancient roman gladaitor games. Lets throw a lot of money and fame to the winner, nothing but death for the rest, and lets watch them cracking their heads open. Not very civilized, but surely spectacular. I like how they hint towards the possibility of players splitting the money, or not doing so. It's a forced state of anarchy. This opens a lot of possible storylines. Will they player split and together overcome the evil villain? Will there be terrible betrayal, broken promises, heroic givings? Will sniper end up taking everybodys dollars? IEM sets itselve up as some kind of evil mastermind playing a devilish game, to prove to everybody that they 're not any better. They put the value of humanity in question. How do people handle a situation of anarchy? Will they fuck each other over, as joker (or history) would suggest, or will there be a flash of goodness? If they go with that theme throughout the event, it could become an incredibly atmospheric event, memorable like Iron Squid. Not just another sports event, but something deepr, a story about the value of people, a story that will be talked about for a long time, one way or another. If it works out that way, I would be pleased with the idea, and they deserved the respect for taking the risk. | ||
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Flamehaze
Poland67 Posts
Foreign progamer : Fuck IEM, lets blackmail them and not come we cant win anyway. | ||
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ETisME
12712 Posts
On January 28 2014 21:50 Flamehaze wrote: Highly skilled progamer reading IEM decision thinks:Sweet i can win 100k best tournament ever. other progamers : Fuck IEM, lets blackmail them and not come we cant win anyway. fixed for you :D But seriously, I would love this to become a standard small sized tournament in between each big tournaments. Adds a bit more variety to the experience | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 28 2014 21:34 ShadowPie wrote: I really dont see why there is so much negativity surrounding this. IEM wants to celebrate with a special (unique) event and they are paying for all the players travel and accomodation. So basicly the players get a "free" shot at 100k, IEM gets a lot of hype and we get extremely tense matches since everyone will be playing 150%. I understand, and agree, that this is bad as a regular format but they have said many times that this is not to be the case. Give the guys some slack and enjoy! What is up with everyone saying things like, "it will make players play 150%" or "we'll see the best matches yet". Do people really think we haven't seen anyone truly playing their best because we haven't had a winner take all tournament? Every competition thus far has been a farce because the finalists didn't try as hard knowing they would still get some money in the end by this logic. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On January 28 2014 21:24 Lorch wrote: + Show Spoiler + You guys make it sound like IEM paying for travel + hotel means these Progamers who don't come 1st have nothing to loose. That is so not true, and sadly we don't have enough players who take stops from traveling to practice for most people to get this. Traveling to ANY tournament pretty much means that you loose about a week of practice and for most of these guys you also fucking with your sleeping rhythm. TBH if I knew my chances of getting 1st were very slim and I had enough honor to not agree to some splitt I would probably deny participation in this. I'd much rather use that one week to practice to get into the money at another tournament. I mean I always thought dreamhack was bad for only paying out top 8 (I think), but this is just beyond terrible. Besides who does WCS really provide for? In Korea it means that most players only have a chance to play in individual tournaments 3 times a year and most of the mainstays in code s are actually on teams that pay them a decent salary, I'd say the old 5+ seasons per year GSL did a better job at allowing koreans to do this full time (especially esf/ex-esf who often don't have much of a salary) than what WCS KR is doing. WCS NA is full of Koreans on foreign teams (aka those with some of the best salaries in the business anyways), so basically the argument off "WCS now provides for the players" only holds true for EU, where both Premier and Challenger are full of EU players. Still even there a decent amount of the prize money from last year went to people like MC or MVP who already made a ton in star 2. I usually try to watch these IEMs as there are usually enough Koreans to make this worth watching (if it's not somewhere in Asia as those times are just beyond terrible for Europe), but I think I'll just not tune into this one as I don't really enjoy seeing a bunch of my favorite players wasting their time. The ones who gets knocked out will still have had some prime stage time to represent their teams and sponsors (which one might say is more important for the bigger picture than prize money) so I wouldn't call it a complete waste. And the more who watch the better. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3692 Posts
On January 28 2014 22:14 AlternativeEgo wrote: The ones who gets knocked out will still have had some prime stage time to represent their teams and sponsors (which one might say is more important for the bigger picture than prize money) so I wouldn't call it a complete waste. And the more who watch the better. Sadly I don't watch these guys play to see them expose their sponsors/team and to me any progamer who actually does this for the competition (not everyone is stephano) who does not have a good shot of getting first will waste their time at IEM. Pretty much any progamer gets more out of a week of practice than traveling to an event, and with this the chances of even making money are really bad for most. | ||
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