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GrandSmurf
Profile Joined July 2003
Netherlands462 Posts
January 20 2014 12:36 GMT
#1961
we had iccup on broodwar which wasnt connected to the blizzard ladder system either. i see no reason why we couldn't have a similar system again.
One time that happened and I just stopped everything, selected the offending SCV, hit Cancel, moved it over to my Barracks, made a Marine, had the Marine shoot it to death, then left the game.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-20 12:53:30
January 20 2014 12:52 GMT
#1962
Can you send data to a server from a map? Should be easy to have matchmaking that way. (I think methods where you have to upload replays or add results yourself are a bit clumsy)

Tbh, if Blizzard is really happy for Starbow to exist (as they said on the bnet forums) then they would help with some of the technical challenges starbow has, such as no matchmaking system. They won't, of course.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
cptjibberjabber
Profile Joined November 2012
Netherlands87 Posts
January 20 2014 12:54 GMT
#1963
On January 20 2014 21:52 Grumbels wrote:
Can you send data to a server from a map? Should be easy to have matchmaking that way. (I think methods where you have to upload replays or add results yourself are a bit clumsy)

Tbh, if Blizzard is really happy for Starbow to exist (as they said on the bnet forums) then they would help with some of the technical challenges starbow has, such as no matchmaking system. They won't, of course.


I don't see why blizzard has to do anything. Blizzard does SC2, the modmakers make the mod. People shouldn't expect blizzard to do anything on a mod just because it has a sudden hype train.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
January 20 2014 12:56 GMT
#1964
On January 20 2014 18:40 KenZy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 18:29 Hider wrote:
On January 20 2014 18:25 KenZy wrote:
Hey, i'm the one (glio) who won vs Losira in Razer Tournament, i come from bw and also played sc2 and i have to say ZvT seems really hard for terran. I played my first game on Starbow during this tournament, just used my bw builds and it seems really strong. I also think that baneling should maybe remove cuz zerg is already really strong and it makes ZvZ not really interesting to play/watch but that's just my point of view. I'm maybe saying that cuz i'm mad to have lost in a zvz cuz i didn't know how to play that with baneling and didn't know queens could attack :D.

It was really fun to play, hope to see some others tournaments and next time i will be ready for some zvz =)


TvZ is probably also the matchup where you get hurt the most for not using terrans macromechanics properly (as Losira doesn't do yet).

So we think over time terran players will adapt better to the matchup in the early game, but we still believe that terran could use an early game buff vs zerg.


Don't think the pb is in the early game but in late game. It's to easy to use defiler and Losira could do nothing against dark swarm. But i didn't play enough games to say that's imba or not.


Yes, but it can often be two sides of the same story: Zerg gets into a better position in the midgame than they would in BW and from there it just accelerates.
Pirfiktshon
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1072 Posts
January 20 2014 12:57 GMT
#1965
I've made Bio work in TvT just on certain maps which imo is how it should be .... Its all about having wide open surface and the ability to put constant pressure on your opponent while expanding.... in TvT Bio vs Mech BIo has to play like Protoss.... It actually works really really well LOL
TheWorldToCome
Profile Joined January 2012
United States452 Posts
January 20 2014 12:58 GMT
#1966
When your mutas get irradiated all you have to do is press "s" and then pull out irradiated ones.
Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
January 20 2014 13:06 GMT
#1967
On January 20 2014 21:54 cptjibberjabber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 21:52 Grumbels wrote:
Can you send data to a server from a map? Should be easy to have matchmaking that way. (I think methods where you have to upload replays or add results yourself are a bit clumsy)

Tbh, if Blizzard is really happy for Starbow to exist (as they said on the bnet forums) then they would help with some of the technical challenges starbow has, such as no matchmaking system. They won't, of course.


I don't see why blizzard has to do anything. Blizzard does SC2, the modmakers make the mod. People shouldn't expect blizzard to do anything on a mod just because it has a sudden hype train.

I don't know, I'd expect one of the map makers from blizzard to at least look through the code and give some suggestions. And matchmaking for mods is one of those things that should have been there from the start, much like a million other editor improvements I guess.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Ardias
Profile Joined January 2014
Russian Federation618 Posts
January 20 2014 13:07 GMT
#1968
Actually, I believe not many people saw, that there will be another Starbow tournament with prize money next weekend.
Here is the link on the thread. I believe it should be bumped up later on.
Mess with the best or die like the rest.
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
January 20 2014 13:08 GMT
#1969
On January 20 2014 21:52 Grumbels wrote:
Can you send data to a server from a map? Should be easy to have matchmaking that way. (I think methods where you have to upload replays or add results yourself are a bit clumsy)

Tbh, if Blizzard is really happy for Starbow to exist (as they said on the bnet forums) then they would help with some of the technical challenges starbow has, such as no matchmaking system. They won't, of course.


Not directly. But you could save whatever to a bank file and have that send to a server and back via another program. But it's something that would need time to prevent abuse and cheat. It was the first thing I thought about doing when the hype started for this mod. But then again is it actually worth it in the end? Who knows...
Pirfiktshon
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1072 Posts
January 20 2014 13:17 GMT
#1970
You can use an ELO Rating system like SC2 Micro tourney uses just ELO gets bumped when you win the game....... Its also based off of your opponents elo and win / loss ratio so you don't lose massive points when you play someone good that has a lower elo than you and you can't abuse a weaker enemy just to feed off of to increase your elo....
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
January 20 2014 13:30 GMT
#1971
@ Bio play TvP

I think this one has lots of undiscovered potential, but will be insanely hard to utilize to its fullest. Managing SV's, Matrix, and Ghosts while micro'ing the core bio units is obviously very challenging. But for those who are up for the micro challenge, the option is definitely there. I have played it some over the last couple of days, and to mee it seems pretty decent tbh.
saltis
Profile Joined September 2012
159 Posts
January 20 2014 13:33 GMT
#1972
@ Hider, can you stream some educational show matches ?
Pirfiktshon
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1072 Posts
January 20 2014 13:36 GMT
#1973
@Bio Play TVP

I have found the very same thing.. LOL Bio Play in TvP is INSANELY good... I have a Pressure build that I have been using against Protoss that hits early enough to damage eco and it wiped out 14 Dragoons ez pz to win the game lol
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-20 14:12:10
January 20 2014 13:51 GMT
#1974
On January 20 2014 22:33 saltis wrote:
@ Hider, can you stream some educational show matches ?


My computer isn't good enough for streaming sorry. Also as of late, I have just been doing builds/styles that noone else does, in order to stay a bit ahead of the potential meta or simply too figure out where potenital buffs/nerfs are needed.
But I think we will get something more strategy-related up soon.
Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
514 Posts
January 20 2014 14:16 GMT
#1975
I never said that they should put the Phoenixes exactly as they are on SC2, but the model at least or something, like other player said, Corsairs feel too plain for me, and I don't really see the fun thing on using them, they are like Corruptors on SC2 to me and others who were watching the tournament.

Also, about the Oracle sprite for the Sentinel, I liked a lot the idea, the model is way better
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
January 20 2014 14:20 GMT
#1976
On January 20 2014 22:33 saltis wrote:
@ Hider, can you stream some educational show matches ?




December casting one of Hiders tries with bio TvP.

It shows the value of Ghosts as a mid-late game transition and Marauders to soak up some heavy damage for the Marines.
Go try StarBow on the Arcade. TL thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440661
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
January 20 2014 14:26 GMT
#1977
2.1 coming out! Going full throttle on promoting this! Also maybe make a welcome thread to the new comers from 2.1?
Getting too old for this..
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
January 20 2014 14:29 GMT
#1978
On January 20 2014 21:36 GrandSmurf wrote:
we had iccup on broodwar which wasnt connected to the blizzard ladder system either. i see no reason why we couldn't have a similar system again.



Blizzard won't allow it. Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that it's in the ToS now that you can't make your own matchmaking your ladder system using SC2 maps or files.

Also, Blizzard does NOT want something like Starbow becoming popular. It's literally a mod that competes with SC2, and if it becomes more popular, I fear they will shut it down for the sake of the "SC2" community, which will be a farce to say the least.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
Jagoti
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany24 Posts
January 20 2014 14:38 GMT
#1979
Crank is streaming Starbow (if anybody is looking for a stream to watch right now) http://www.twitch.tv/crank
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 20 2014 14:40 GMT
#1980
On January 20 2014 23:29 hoby2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 21:36 GrandSmurf wrote:
we had iccup on broodwar which wasnt connected to the blizzard ladder system either. i see no reason why we couldn't have a similar system again.



Blizzard won't allow it. Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that it's in the ToS now that you can't make your own matchmaking your ladder system using SC2 maps or files.

Also, Blizzard does NOT want something like Starbow becoming popular. It's literally a mod that competes with SC2, and if it becomes more popular, I fear they will shut it down for the sake of the "SC2" community, which will be a farce to say the least.

Never going to happen. It would be PR suicide and Blizzard isn't that insecure. I doubt they would sit it down if people started using Iccup too. If it gets more people into SC2 and interacting with Blizzard products, it's likely exactly what they want.
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