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rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
February 25 2014 04:43 GMT
#4401
Streaming now if anyones interested. http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Just hit 2900 pts!!! Exciting!
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
WarpTV
Profile Joined August 2011
205 Posts
February 25 2014 07:33 GMT
#4402
On February 25 2014 05:56 WarpTV wrote:
After playing starbow for a month now, I can see there are a spots that need attention.

Zerg,

Scourge,
Scourge are far too smart for the games good. They take out corsairs/vessels much easer that what I remember form Brood War. They don't have the short pause before detonating.

Lurkers, The smarter pathing for marines hampers them. In Brood war marines had a nasty habit of forming up in a long line for lurker shots even when moving just a few in game units. In BW it took a good bit of micro to line marines up perpendicular to the lurker splash. In Starbow, Units line up perpendicular to lurkers on their own greatly effecting their splash.

Dark Swarm, I still feel the smart casting is a bit strong. Yet the limits put on defilers help a good bit. but more importantly, Tank's splash just needs to work under it.


Terran.

Orbital,
Call down SCV is really messing up TvT. It feels so bad to go mech and play vs Bio, Only to have the bio player drop scv's on your tanks just before stiming in.

Ghost,
Both ghost ability are effective but come out too soon. both need a lengthy recherches time. Ghost cloak is out very quick as well. Some options are moving requirements for upgrades to other buildings (and making the abilities upgrades to start with)

Science vessels.
Again smart casting issues. Yet unlike the defiler, there are not many effective limits.

Protoss,


High Templar,
Yet again smart casting issue. but to a much lesser extent than the other casters.





Just to clarify, I don't want smart casting remove, I just notice the seemingly strong state of the above.
WarpTV
Profile Joined August 2011
205 Posts
February 25 2014 07:46 GMT
#4403
On February 25 2014 09:15 Foxxan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 08:11 Piy wrote:
On February 25 2014 07:32 Jermman wrote:
I dunno, getting defilers out in tvz usually means you autowin right now. Mech isnt even possible because tanks dont splash under swarm.


Absolutely not true.

There is a problem with tank splash under dark swarm, but if you're going bio you are either at an even game or at an advantage vs a zerg on defilers because:

a) Dark swarm has very low duration, making it harder for zerg to turtle enough to get ultras
b) Dark swarm has a really low aoe
c) you can't plague and dark swarm with the same full energy defiler. This makes engaging small groups of bio with crackling defiler harder.

It's really easy to get a huge economy as terran while pressuring zerg if he tries to tech at a normal bw pace. You only lose to defilers if you are very behind in the mid game.

Not sure about this.
Irradiate suck vs banes.

Zerg opts for banes/lings into hive.
I feel going mass irradiate just doesnt cut it vs heavy baneling use.

So adding dark swarm here is very good, besides tanks suck vs ds completely i feel
so tanks are not an option really other than the 3tank/SV push against lurker play.




@Lurkers
I feel they are weak to. If we compare them to broodwar:
1) All units move alot smoother. Therefore reach their target alot easier.
2) Alot of units have much better agility. The most relevant unit is the marine.
3) The lurker cant stack. In broodwar he could. This means in decent armee size or bigger fights, the lurkers will do less damage. AKA, u wanna burrow that 3lurkers but u cant cuz lurkers are already burrowed underthem->Zerg lose tons of damage.

All this combined my feeling is they are weaker even though they have more health, and more damage.
I would recommend to buff their burrow time.
.


I agree, Units in SC2 don't take as much damage for lurkers line style splash, their splash normally on hit 1 or 2 units when on open ground. And they still can't hold vs bio in chokes.

Some one said we should get banelings to help Lurkers hold a choke. What they are missing is, Zerg wants the lurkers to hold a choke so they can be teching wile Terran hits his timings . When you are going ling baneling. you need to mass expand and delay Hive a bit to keep trading with the Terran. They are 2 different play styles that don't work well with each other.

SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 08:56:21
February 25 2014 08:42 GMT
#4404
Watching tasteless on stream and saw some Ghost builds . . . I have to say, Seeker Missile from Ghosts is not that fun to watch.

I would recommend snipe or something else. It just seems a little too much like Starcraft 2 where massing one unit and casting a spell that kills everything. It almost reminds me of a Protoss deathball.


P.S. I think that Ghost should still be a strong unit, albeit in a more tactical role. I would recommend replacing Seeker Drone with Auto Turret or something that's less "offensive" in nature. Still powerful and useful, great for harass and drops, but not A-movable over an enemy army when en masse.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 25 2014 09:08 GMT
#4405
Tasteless plays starbow??
maru lover forever
Balthazar
Profile Joined February 2011
United States277 Posts
February 25 2014 09:14 GMT
#4406
On February 25 2014 18:08 Incognoto wrote:
Tasteless plays starbow??


Yeah, he's streaming it right now. He has streamed it on a couple other occasions, too. He just said it has a lot of potential
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 25 2014 09:27 GMT
#4407
so far it seems to have a lot of pvp lol
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ardias
Profile Joined January 2014
Russian Federation617 Posts
February 25 2014 09:43 GMT
#4408
On February 25 2014 18:27 Ej_ wrote:
so far it seems to have a lot of pvp lol

Maybe it's so on NA or it's just Tastless gets a lot of tosses against him, but of my 23 games on Sbow ladder so far only 3 were against toss.
Mess with the best or die like the rest.
Balthazar
Profile Joined February 2011
United States277 Posts
February 25 2014 10:05 GMT
#4409
On February 25 2014 18:27 Ej_ wrote:
so far it seems to have a lot of pvp lol


He said he wanted to practice PvP.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 25 2014 10:05 GMT
#4410
On February 25 2014 18:43 Ardias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 18:27 Ej_ wrote:
so far it seems to have a lot of pvp lol

Maybe it's so on NA or it's just Tastless gets a lot of tosses against him, but of my 23 games on Sbow ladder so far only 3 were against toss.

ha, i've been matched mostly vs tosses, some terrans and like 2 other zergs.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
February 25 2014 12:15 GMT
#4411
I don't see anywhere on official site in a profile the amount of points you have. Sure it's in a client, but it would be good to have it there too.
bananafone
Profile Joined October 2011
68 Posts
February 25 2014 12:47 GMT
#4412
On February 25 2014 13:00 Balthazar wrote:
Do you know what would be cool? If the EROS client displayed a lifetime record vs the player you got matched up with.


I really don't trust people to be courteous about this. Some people are just dicks as soon as ladder points get on the line and when they see something like 0-7 against the matched up player I am sure they can find ways to not play that particular game. Place it on the website, but not right in their face the moment before the game.
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
February 25 2014 13:25 GMT
#4413
Still hitting people who afk and refuse to play. You need a way of dealing with this, it spoils ladder.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
February 25 2014 13:28 GMT
#4414
On February 25 2014 18:14 Balthazar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 18:08 Incognoto wrote:
Tasteless plays starbow??


Yeah, he's streaming it right now. He has streamed it on a couple other occasions, too. He just said it has a lot of potential

And learned the hard way that in Starbow Stalkers can see high ground :D
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 13:50:15
February 25 2014 13:43 GMT
#4415
Crank streaming some starbow.
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
Deleted User 97295
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1137 Posts
February 25 2014 14:07 GMT
#4416
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Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
February 25 2014 14:12 GMT
#4417
On February 25 2014 23:07 Laertes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 22:25 Piy wrote:
Still hitting people who afk and refuse to play. You need a way of dealing with this, it spoils ladder.

Did you update to 3.0?


Don't think so. Didn't realise there was an update.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
.swz.
Profile Joined May 2012
73 Posts
February 25 2014 14:49 GMT
#4418
On February 25 2014 22:25 Piy wrote:
Still hitting people who afk and refuse to play. You need a way of dealing with this, it spoils ladder.


sorry to bother, but i had issues playing vs you too - twice. you claimed i had some private settings enabled which i checked several times.
i could never find you on the starbow channel nor did i see you in a match channel. there either must be issues on your side or with bnet. /cvts
Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
February 25 2014 15:28 GMT
#4419
On February 25 2014 23:49 .swz. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 22:25 Piy wrote:
Still hitting people who afk and refuse to play. You need a way of dealing with this, it spoils ladder.


sorry to bother, but i had issues playing vs you too - twice. you claimed i had some private settings enabled which i checked several times.
i could never find you on the starbow channel nor did i see you in a match channel. there either must be issues on your side or with bnet. /cvts


Confirmed, matching up with Piy is very weird :o
President of the ReaL Fan Club.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 25 2014 15:53 GMT
#4420
On February 25 2014 22:25 Piy wrote:
Still hitting people who afk and refuse to play. You need a way of dealing with this, it spoils ladder.


I did this once and I'm sorry for it. I thought I had closed the client but apparently I hadn't.
maru lover forever
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