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Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
February 25 2014 16:45 GMT
#4421
I cant login to the forums on starbowmod.com, i reseted the password
But activation code or new password doesnt get me logged in

Kabel
Profile Joined September 2009
Sweden1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 21:57:31
February 25 2014 17:12 GMT
#4422
@Patch

This patch is the last one before the tournament. It contains changes to Protoss air that was not included in the last patch. It also aims to fix a couple of issues that has been reported. I´ve read many suggestions for balance, but I prefer to take it easy before the tournament, and not change too many basic things at this stage. If needed, more of that can come after this weekend.

Protoss air
>>>+ Show Spoiler +
- Corsairs can now research Disruption Web at Fleet Beacon. Its an old BW ability that allows the Corsair
to place a Disruption web on the ground. No ground units or structures can attack while inside the web. (Includes both enemy and friendly ground..)

- Sentinels third spell "Temporal Field" removed. It only has Null ward and Glare.

- Scout no longer requires Fleet Beacon.
- Scout has almost the same stats as in BW, even the expensive cost at 275/125 and the slow BT.
- Deals 16 explosive damage vs ground. (100% vs armored, 75% vs medium, 50% vs light.) This is an improvement over BW
- Still starts with the Phase Missile ability, which can be used to destroy energy.

Comments:

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Corsair is the fast, cheap, anti-air unit that is good vs clumped up targets.

Sentinel is the mobile spellcaster who is good vs weaker clumped up ground units (No anti air attack)

Scout is expensive, strong anti-armored air unit, good vs armored ground units and structures, capable of
destroying enemy spell casters.

Hopefully will all three air units feel different and be useful in various situations. A critical concern is Scout vs Terran. One Scout barely wins vs one Goliath, but the Scout is ca 3 times more expensive. So it seems fair in testing. The Scout stats might need some more tweaking in balance. Perhaps its still too expensive. This at least allows Scouts to easier see play, since they no longer require Fleet Beacon.
<<<

Nerve Jammer reworked
>>>+ Show Spoiler +

- Nerve Jammer now only affects enemy units within an area.
- All ground attacks damage is reduced by 50%, compared to 75% earlier. (So its weaker now)
- The radius of the spell has been reduced by ca 25-35%, compared to earlier.
- It is still possible to target fire the Nerve Jammer to cancel the effect.

Comments:

Since D-web is back into the game, Nerve Jammer had to be reworked. It was basically just a weaker version
of D-web. Now it intends to be more versatile - use it on enemy units to reduce their attack, for example
clusters of Tanks, Dragoons etc.. or use it on your own units to protect vs melee units. The Nerve Jammer
has a team color, so players can see who it belongs to.

But as always, this might need to be balanced better.

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<<<

Calldown SCV

>>>+ Show Spoiler +

- When a SCV is calldowned next to an enemy tank, a warning is played for the Tank-player.
- When a SCV is calldowned, it is blind and benign for 5 seconds. This means that enemy units won´t auto-
attack it.

Comments:

It is now possible for a player to react vs Calldown SCV on top of Tanks. The warning makes the player
aware, and the 5 second duration gives a window of time where the SCV can be focus fired, for example by
Vultures, before the other Tanks splashes the SCV. Since SCVs now are blind, its harder to calldown them over a larger area of Tanks. Instead T needs to use more scans or have other form of sight vision to do so.
<<<

Scourge splash
>>>+ Show Spoiler +
- Scourge no longer deal splash damage upon impact. Only the targeted unit takes full damage. Instead Scourge applies a buff to enemy air units. The buff drains 3 life every second for 5 seconds. (It basically looks like the enemy air unit gets covered by acid..) The buffs do not stack. Only one at a time can be active on a unit.

Comments:


When Scourges splashed, it created volatile games, especially in ZvZ. A blob of 20 Mutas could die within a second
if 6 Scourges hit the ball. It is however still possible to punish players who clump up their Mutas too
much, just not as brutal. By letting Scourge have some kind of splash effect, will we hopefully see more interesting Muta vs Muta fights. Perhaps it will be worth to spread out the Mutas in some fights, rather than always having everything packed in one tiny blob. (And its lame to watch one tiny blob of Mutas vs another tiny blob of Mutas)

Maybe a more interesting splash effect can be invented later on. And if this causes problems in other match-up, it can for example be limited to only affect biological air units. (Just as with Spore Crawlers and Hydra acid.)
<<<

Energy upgrades
>>>+ Show Spoiler +
- All energy upgrades are removed. (Arbiter, Sentinel, High Templar, Ghost, Vessel, Battlecruiser)

Comments:

Spellcasters are already very strong in Starbow, partly due to smartcast. The energy upgrades allow casters
to regain energy even faster, which floods the game with more spellcasting. Zerg still has Consume and Consumption for Defiler and Viper. But both those spells require a sacrifice in resources and APM to recover energy.
<<<

Ghost
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- Seeker Drone temporarily removed from the game.
- Ghost is now medium instead of light.

Comments:

Ghosts overall need to find a proper place in the game, and will probably need a big balance adjustment in the future. It
is currently a very powerful unit that is available early in the game. Since the tournament is coming up
on saturday, I dont want to risk that Ghosts are even more broken with the Seeker Drone spell. Instead can
that spell be brought back after the tournament, in some reworked or rebalanced form.
<<<

Balance changes
>>>+ Show Spoiler +
- Vulture BT reduced from 30 to 26 seconds.
- Spider mine research time reduced from 96 to 76 seconds.

Comments:

Vulture BT was nerfed a month ago from 26 to 30 seconds, due to them being so powerful when ported from BW
to the SC2 engine. Since both Vulture life, range and Spider mines now have been adjusted, it seems fair to
revert their BT to the original value. Same thing with Spider mine research time.

Some players have reported that its hard for Terran to apply pressure vs P in the early game, due to Chrono boost being so
strong. We will look more into the macro mechanics in the coming weeks, to see how they can be balanced in a
better way. But for now will this change hopefully allow more early game pressure for T vs P.
<<<

Future work
>>>+ Show Spoiler +
Next week will we look more at a potential redesign of Baneling, Marauder & Ghost, Lurker vs Bio, Viper, Macro mechanics, Dark swarm vs Siege Tanks, perhaps Stalker if needed, and some other things that players report to us.
<<<

At last:
>>>+ Show Spoiler +
Thanks to Zolden at sc2mapster.com who modified the Nerve Jammer model so it has team color. Check out his map Mines and Magic on the Arcade !
<<<
Creator of Starbow
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
February 25 2014 17:12 GMT
#4423
On February 25 2014 23:49 .swz. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 22:25 Piy wrote:
Still hitting people who afk and refuse to play. You need a way of dealing with this, it spoils ladder.


sorry to bother, but i had issues playing vs you too - twice. you claimed i had some private settings enabled which i checked several times.
i could never find you on the starbow channel nor did i see you in a match channel. there either must be issues on your side or with bnet. /cvts


It's not always that. A lot of people also put a space in the channel name and this prevents them from joining the correct chat channel. That's probably the dominant reason why you can't play people currently, but there are also a fair number of people who don't even speak in the eros chat nor attempt to join the channel, or they join the channel but then refuse to join your game.

I think the issue with the space in the channel name will be resolved eventually by increased awareness of it, but until then you have to deal with some silly delays while playing.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
Code
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada634 Posts
February 25 2014 17:25 GMT
#4424
Wow thats a huge patch! Interesting stuff.

I'm glad seeker drone is removed for now. Wonder how the other changes will play out..
.swz.
Profile Joined May 2012
73 Posts
February 25 2014 17:38 GMT
#4425
On February 26 2014 02:12 Piy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 23:49 .swz. wrote:
On February 25 2014 22:25 Piy wrote:
Still hitting people who afk and refuse to play. You need a way of dealing with this, it spoils ladder.


sorry to bother, but i had issues playing vs you too - twice. you claimed i had some private settings enabled which i checked several times.
i could never find you on the starbow channel nor did i see you in a match channel. there either must be issues on your side or with bnet. /cvts


It's not always that. A lot of people also put a space in the channel name and this prevents them from joining the correct chat channel. That's probably the dominant reason why you can't play people currently, but there are also a fair number of people who don't even speak in the eros chat nor attempt to join the channel, or they join the channel but then refuse to join your game.

I think the issue with the space in the channel name will be resolved eventually by increased awareness of it, but until then you have to deal with some silly delays while playing.


weird that this only happens with you...
Dragonei
Profile Joined March 2012
Spain28 Posts
February 25 2014 17:45 GMT
#4426
Scourge new "buff" that makes 3 dps for 5 secs can stack? 2 scourges will make 6dps on the same unit affected by the splash? Or didnt i understood it well? I think that is a big nerf... So big..
Jermman
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada174 Posts
February 25 2014 17:47 GMT
#4427
Sick patch. Time to go wreck some nerds with early game vulture attacks.
Terran/Random Player
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
February 25 2014 17:57 GMT
#4428
Hey guys, just a heads up that if you want to play in the Starbow Invitational Qualifier Tournament, you've got two days to get a Top 3 spot on each server's ladder, good luck!
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
WarpTV
Profile Joined August 2011
205 Posts
February 25 2014 18:05 GMT
#4429
Oh god, the new Nerve jammer just wrecks Lurkers vs SKterran styles. back to ling bane
Jermman
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada174 Posts
February 25 2014 18:06 GMT
#4430
uhhh, if they already have SV arent lurkers useless anyways.
Terran/Random Player
Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
February 25 2014 18:09 GMT
#4431
On February 26 2014 02:45 Dragonei wrote:
Scourge new "buff" that makes 3 dps for 5 secs can stack? 2 scourges will make 6dps on the same unit affected by the splash? Or didnt i understood it well? I think that is a big nerf... So big..
It's there written. They don't stack.
WarpTV
Profile Joined August 2011
205 Posts
February 25 2014 18:29 GMT
#4432
On February 26 2014 03:06 Jermman wrote:
uhhh, if they already have SV arent lurkers useless anyways.



They should at less be able to trade.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
February 25 2014 18:31 GMT
#4433
Whoa, removing all of the energy upgrades.
T P Z sagi
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
February 25 2014 18:42 GMT
#4434
have energy upgrades ever been a fun in sc2?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
February 25 2014 18:50 GMT
#4435
Wish they would just remove smartcast instead of going around the issue by nerfing the casters.
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
February 25 2014 19:11 GMT
#4436
How the fuck do you ffe on bluestorm? Any ideas?
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
RDaneelOlivaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Vatican City State733 Posts
February 25 2014 19:28 GMT
#4437
On February 26 2014 02:38 .swz. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 02:12 Piy wrote:
On February 25 2014 23:49 .swz. wrote:
On February 25 2014 22:25 Piy wrote:
Still hitting people who afk and refuse to play. You need a way of dealing with this, it spoils ladder.


sorry to bother, but i had issues playing vs you too - twice. you claimed i had some private settings enabled which i checked several times.
i could never find you on the starbow channel nor did i see you in a match channel. there either must be issues on your side or with bnet. /cvts


It's not always that. A lot of people also put a space in the channel name and this prevents them from joining the correct chat channel. That's probably the dominant reason why you can't play people currently, but there are also a fair number of people who don't even speak in the eros chat nor attempt to join the channel, or they join the channel but then refuse to join your game.

I think the issue with the space in the channel name will be resolved eventually by increased awareness of it, but until then you have to deal with some silly delays while playing.


weird that this only happens with you...

This has happened to me too. Most players haven't figured it out/ don't believe you when you explain
InFaMOUs331
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
42 Posts
February 25 2014 19:39 GMT
#4438
On February 26 2014 04:28 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 02:38 .swz. wrote:
On February 26 2014 02:12 Piy wrote:
On February 25 2014 23:49 .swz. wrote:
On February 25 2014 22:25 Piy wrote:
Still hitting people who afk and refuse to play. You need a way of dealing with this, it spoils ladder.


sorry to bother, but i had issues playing vs you too - twice. you claimed i had some private settings enabled which i checked several times.
i could never find you on the starbow channel nor did i see you in a match channel. there either must be issues on your side or with bnet. /cvts


It's not always that. A lot of people also put a space in the channel name and this prevents them from joining the correct chat channel. That's probably the dominant reason why you can't play people currently, but there are also a fair number of people who don't even speak in the eros chat nor attempt to join the channel, or they join the channel but then refuse to join your game.

I think the issue with the space in the channel name will be resolved eventually by increased awareness of it, but until then you have to deal with some silly delays while playing.


weird that this only happens with you...

This has happened to me too. Most players haven't figured it out/ don't believe you when you explain

Why does the eros client not provide bnet information such as the character code & BNET ID when it finds your opponent and provides it to you. It collects this information anyway. This way you can directly add the other player/invite them rather than 'meet up'' in a chat channel. You might end up with a messy friends list, but this would be a good 'backup' incase a player doesn't show up to the chat channel.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 25 2014 19:47 GMT
#4439
On February 26 2014 04:11 da_head wrote:
How the fuck do you ffe on bluestorm? Any ideas?

2 cannons, son!
+ Show Spoiler +
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"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
February 25 2014 19:58 GMT
#4440
On February 26 2014 03:50 labbe wrote:
Wish they would just remove smartcast instead of going around the issue by nerfing the casters.


It's never gonna happen, as Starbow would be a wasteland if they removed smartcasting. People calling for this need to just get over it and move on.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
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