Starbow - Page 117

On January 23 2014 19:29 Drazzzt wrote:
Hi,

is it possible that there is a BUG with lurkers / protoss cannons. Kaos and I just had the case that he burrowed his lurker and I had cannons, but I couldn't see them and he simply killed my cannons with his lurkers. At least cannon vision and probably cannon range is lower than lurker range? This is to hard to handle. isnt it?

On January 23 2014 18:30 Lunareste wrote:
I always loved Starcraft 2, but one game of this mod makes it so abundantly clear that THIS is what Starcraft SHOULD be. And I am so incredibly fucking happy that this mod is here to stay. And I hope so incredibly hard that the Blizzard devs can take a look at this and apply some of its lessons to the actual game itself, so I can watch my favorite players and heroes battle on in a much better Starcraft 2 experience.

On January 23 2014 18:30 Lunareste wrote:
Oh man. just played my first game against a really nice ex-bw player.

It was fucking INCREDIBLE! We battled all over the map as we each made units and countered each others compositions with new tech.

1. We went through the "standard" opening of him pushing my natural expansion with his Dragoons, I counter with Bunker and Siege tanks
2. I eventually create a Spider Mine field while he pushed my vultures back from entering his territory, so I create a Siege line with defensive vultures outside of the choke at his natural, so he sends reaver drops out into my bases while he masses units to push through.
3. He made sentinels to push me away from his natural, we fall back to mine while I produce goliaths
4. He masses up a huge Zealot/Dragoon army to counter me, and I have to leapfrog my tanks across the map back to his choke with vulture/goliath support
5. I set up a choke again and realize that I'm too late to stop his third, which has finished, so I have to split my army to try and kill his new expo
6. When I push out, he comes in with Carriers and makes me fall back to my natural again, while I get more Goliaths and Vikings
7. He pushes me back to my base and counters my 3rd and 4th with DTs, which I cannot setup defense for due to being pushed back to my natural while I wait for enough Goliaths. gg!



What is really blowing my mind is the concept that this entire game played out in such a way because Terran can create serious map control at contentious places. Whenever I watched Brood War and then came to play SC2, this is what I felt was missing to facilitate creating a deeper, more strategical game. I understand that he HAS to break through my line to expand, that I can hold this place on a map where I am in control. This is so much fucking better than trying to medivac drop in his base while I try and avoid his Colossus and High Templar every game.

The fact that we fought across the map, from his natural to my natural, with small amounts of units that each served an important purpose in defending and pushing the enemy back while we reinforced for the next attack is absolutely stunning. There was no point where we really overwhelmed another; whether it was me trying to drop Spider Mines outside of his ramp and him rebuffing, or me retreating with 5 tanks, 3 vultures and 5 goliaths from 2 Carriers and some Chargelots while my next wave is moving across the map.

The most important thing is that the pacing of this game felt so incredible, there was no point where all of my army just evaporated due to him having A-move units like Collosi and High Templar against Terran Bio. I lost but I had so much fucking FUN playing against Protoss for the first time in YEARS. I never felt like there wasn't a point that I COULDN'T attack because he had a certain tech that I couldn't fight against, like I would in SC2 when Protoss would have out Colossus and I had no Vikings.

I always loved Starcraft 2, but one game of this mod makes it so abundantly clear that THIS is what Starcraft SHOULD be. And I am so incredibly fucking happy that this mod is here to stay. And I hope so incredibly hard that the Blizzard devs can take a look at this and apply some of its lessons to the actual game itself, so I can watch my favorite players and heroes battle on in a much better Starcraft 2 experience.

On January 23 2014 20:38 Lorch wrote:
@iknowFiRE: I know nowadays it has become the standard that developers actually give a fuck about their esports game. However, for the very majority of the time that eSports has existed developers really didn't care at all about the competitive scene around their games. On top of that, given that Blizzard doesn't even update/patch Starbow I don't see how it'd need more from Blizzard than the simple permission to exist and be played competitively. The only issue I see is that Starbow is literally HOTS' biggest competition when it comes to competitive RTS right now and Blizzard may just forbid Starbow tournaments or make them really hard to run.

On January 23 2014 13:16 sluggaslamoo wrote:


BW has been figured out?

I want what you're smoking

Yes you will win more by copying builds off liquipedia, but that's because you're more likely to be successful by copying builds that already work than doing your own.

BW liquipedia is actually outdated, there's a lot of stuff that has been figured out that isn't in liquipedia.

I don't think anything Jangbi did in his OSL run was in Liquipedia.

The Reality "Hell" build.

14CC into 3 fact gols

The new 3 Hatch +1 carapace muta/scourge ZvP meta which came out only a couple years ago.

+1 5 Rax into Late-mech TvZ meta which only came into prominence in the final year of BW Proleague.

People should stop looking and pointing at Blizzard.
In the past 10 years it was the community first and foremost that drives what is popular and whatnot. If there is a real demand for something like Starbow, then it's the communities responsibility to find all the bumps and build all the bridges. This is how online gaming works and forever will.

Don't point at this mod you enjoy and say "See Blizzard? Do it this way!!". No! Blizzard does not matter. If you think there's something missing. A page, a tournament, a podcast, a blog post, a youtube video, an encouraging message to the devs, do it! This is how it has been done since the beginning of gaming. Through playing, caring and sharing.