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Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
January 01 2014 03:37 GMT
#81
On January 01 2014 12:35 ivancype wrote:
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On January 01 2014 12:11 NmExZeus wrote:
Perhaps the TL community could try to raise a fund for Quantic gamers that have been cheated out of their money by the likes of Simon? Would be great if any major TL personalities decided to lead it


I would help if the fund was to pay for lawyers and shit to put this simon guy in jail.



the team went bankrupt. are we gonna put everybody that goes bankrupt behind bars??? come on

the guy is a massive pos but its not a crime yet to be the retarded manager of your own business.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Genie1
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada333 Posts
January 01 2014 03:37 GMT
#82
On January 01 2014 12:36 Grettin wrote:
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On January 01 2014 12:34 Netsky wrote:
Obviously this is a shitty situation for Hyun, but...

Is it standard practice for prize money to be sent to team/manager, rather than the player directly? Seems kinda fucked.


Already discussion about this but MLG and IEM does pay to the players directly, Dreamhack pays whoever claims it (as long as claimer has rights) -- in this case, the team claimed it.

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On January 01 2014 12:08 Tobblish wrote:
On January 01 2014 12:02 Grettin wrote:
On January 01 2014 11:58 Genie1 wrote:
Huh? Money is not given directly to the players? Okay well now I see where the big flaw is right now. Money should be given to the player and not to the team. I always thought it was given to the players directly after the tournament in the form of a cheque or transferred from one bank account to another. I think the way money is distributed by tournaments needs changing and especially after this incident.


Atleast MLG and IEM gives money to the players, Dreamhack seems not.


Heres the prize money policy: http://www.dreamhack.se/dhs13/esport/prize-money-policy/

From what I understand reading it Hyun could have done it by himself, Dreamhack doesn't send you the money, you have to claim it.
Quantic probably told Hyun it would be best if they did it for him.



Well it seems DreamHack needs to change there payout policy so that player is directly given the money.
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Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
January 01 2014 03:38 GMT
#83
Oh man... this is probably one of the worst team breakups. I was really hoping that Quantic had managed to reform itself properly...

On January 01 2014 12:28 Genie1 wrote:


This was his last tweet on twitter. I'm surprised quantic management didn't look into it immediately after seeing this kind of tweet because If I saw this I would immediately find out what is going on.

This tweet wasn't too out of place. One of their League of Legends players started a twitter thing of "Cursed Dreams and Broken Hearts" (https://twitter.com/Locodoco/status/409074189392293888) and this at just seemed like their manager parodying it after they lost their chance to join the LCS (the LoL equivalent to WCS).
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
January 01 2014 03:38 GMT
#84
That's fucked I would feel sick if I was owed that much money
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Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 03:40:02
January 01 2014 03:39 GMT
#85
Ops double post ...
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erby
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
464 Posts
January 01 2014 03:40 GMT
#86
First, this is absolutely awful what Quantic/Simon did to HyuN. This was after HyuN was vouching for Simon the whole time, even after what had happened to Massan and people were telling HyuN to get off that sketchy team but he told everyone that things were good and he was happy. In the end, this wasn't the case and whether HyuN decides to retire or not, I really hope he recoups some of his losses and leaves on a happier note.

Second, the hot topic after Unfiltered is the lack of infrastructure of esports in North America, but how can you even talk infrastructure when you have people like Simon of Quantic or Marco formerly with Speed? The problem isn't just infrastructure but also shady people screwing over progamers who give up so much and get burnt to the point where they give up. Better infrastructure needs to address this problem directly.
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MaSsan
Profile Joined June 2009
United States143 Posts
January 01 2014 03:40 GMT
#87
I'll chip in as well.
@MaSsanSC
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
January 01 2014 03:41 GMT
#88
So......there is a guy managing players, handling the prize money and everything for a "big" team....and there is no one that has a reliable business contact(not even the real name)? And thats just one thing that comes to my mind... sounds like a blueprint of unprofessionalism to me. How can it be that such key positions between the parties aren't secured and controlled(answer is clear, for the "cpt obvious' out there")?

Sad for Hyun, also don't get why he didn't come up earlier with this.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
January 01 2014 03:41 GMT
#89
On January 01 2014 12:37 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2014 12:35 ivancype wrote:
On January 01 2014 12:11 NmExZeus wrote:
Perhaps the TL community could try to raise a fund for Quantic gamers that have been cheated out of their money by the likes of Simon? Would be great if any major TL personalities decided to lead it


I would help if the fund was to pay for lawyers and shit to put this simon guy in jail.



the team went bankrupt. are we gonna put everybody that goes bankrupt behind bars??? come on

the guy is a massive pos but its not a crime yet to be the retarded manager of your own business.

it depends how the guy was cheated out of money. If it was just incompetent management that simply couldnt afford to pay the wages they promised thats one thing. If they somehow took the money that they didnt have the legal right to take, thats another. Anyway, sucks for Quantic. Maybe they can get a kickstarter going, if Catz can get enough money to run a house in California for a year youd think the 'community' would want to help Hyun out.
ForcesEqualZero
Profile Joined April 2013
United States17 Posts
January 01 2014 03:43 GMT
#90
On January 01 2014 12:34 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
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On January 01 2014 12:22 ForcesEqualZero wrote:
Going to join the chorus here, someone please post Hyun's paypal, I'd like to donate to keep him going. Someone should also contact the RCMP on Hyun's behalf, maybe this is fraud under Canadian law?



Lol. I dont think the RCMP has that authority in Quebec. I dont know if this would be fraud or if he is just another creditor of a business that went belly up...

But in all honesty, I dont think he will ever get his money back, sadly. It would probably involve him fronting massive amounts of cash to pay for a trial that takes forever at the other end of the globe in a language he doesnt understand. Meanwhile, fat fuck Boudreault would do his best to delay the procedure and make sure Hyun runs out of cash before they can get a verdict.

about the outcry on prize money: isnt it standard for korean teams to keep the majority of the prize money earned by a player?

How he could be a creditor in this situation is quite insane. The prize money is his, not the team's right? Taking that from him is theft, is fraudulent behavior. RCMP, whomever, if what he did wasn't illegal, it's really sad.
QueenE
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden22 Posts
January 01 2014 03:44 GMT
#91
Isn't there anyone close to HyuN that can help him follow this through legally? This needs to be taken care of professionally....
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
January 01 2014 03:46 GMT
#92
This isn't the first time. Get as far away as you can, Hyun. You're good enough for any other team.
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tredogz
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada170 Posts
January 01 2014 03:46 GMT
#93
omg, that is brutal... who are these so called "business men"... uhh, I see this in my line of work all the time... what a JOKE... liars are the worst... these little children need to grow up and learn some responsibility.
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negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
January 01 2014 03:46 GMT
#94
On January 01 2014 12:10 negativedge wrote:
probably the only way for this to work out well for Hyun is to put pressure on the sponsors. they don't want shitty publicity and they have much more power to do something about it than Hyun does. so we need to send tweets and emails to Roccat, Alienware, and whoever else has an agreement with Quantic. if anyone knows Hyun personally or has contact with him, they should tell him to talk to the sponsors and document what is said.


I feel like I should repost this so it isn't at the bottom of a page. We need to contact the sponsors. They are not at fault, but they have the ability to do something about it.
PPN
Profile Joined August 2011
France248 Posts
January 01 2014 03:47 GMT
#95
I'm not even the slightest surprised unfortunately :/. What I'm surprised of is how anyone can still trust Quantic's owner and management team with all the shady business and odd rumours that have been surrounding Quantic for years (MasSan's case being the latest I'm reminded of).
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
January 01 2014 03:47 GMT
#96
Now that's how you scam a team, not that 200$ BS thing some guy tried to pull on a team with no income a few months ago. Really sad for Hyun.
Refer to my post.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
January 01 2014 03:48 GMT
#97
On January 01 2014 12:41 ArcadeR wrote:
So......there is a guy managing players, handling the prize money and everything for a "big" team....and there is no one that has a reliable business contact(not even the real name)? And thats just one thing that comes to my mind... sounds like a blueprint of unprofessionalism to me. How can it be that such key positions between the parties aren't secured and controlled(answer is clear, for the "cpt obvious' out there")?

Sad for Hyun, also don't get why he didn't come up earlier with this.


People know his real name. Simon Boudreault. He hasn't been some mysterious enigma - hell, I was just looking at his LinkedIn page. The thing is, even if you are well know and famous you can effectively disappear. Especially if you are on a different continent from the person trying to contact you.

I think maybe Simon should have stayed in sales.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Genie1
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada333 Posts
January 01 2014 03:48 GMT
#98
On January 01 2014 12:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This isn't the first time. Get as far away as you can, Hyun. You're good enough for any other team.


You're forgetting the part of him needing to get his money from Quantic.
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Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
January 01 2014 03:49 GMT
#99
On January 01 2014 12:44 QueenE wrote:
Isn't there anyone close to HyuN that can help him follow this through legally? This needs to be taken care of professionally....

I don't think anything can be done. Every team scam I heard of went without any legal consequences, because it's way too expensive and too time consuming to sue someone over this.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 01 2014 03:50 GMT
#100
On January 01 2014 12:47 Zenbrez wrote:
Now that's how you scam a team, not that 200$ BS thing some guy tried to pull on a team with no income a few months ago. Really sad for Hyun.

Wouldn't exactly call it a scam. Sure, what's happening now (and what happened to MaSsan) is complete bullshit, but Simon did put a lot of money into Quantic from the beginning.

He's basically just cutting and running now, and taking all the liquid assets from the business with him.
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