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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 01 2014 04:20 GMT
#121
i like how all the semi relevent esports 'peronsalities' are now coming out of the woodwork to explain to us about how they always knew quantic was bad news bears but none of them actually said anything before or during the time hyun was being screwed out of $23k. all these people being all hush hush until now because either they want to come across like they are more 'in' than they really are or actually dont care about (other) players getting fucked.

1 man doesnt make an organization, everyone else who has in any way touched quantic is just as in the wrong as the scumbag owner. bunch of enablers.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
January 01 2014 04:21 GMT
#122
On January 01 2014 13:14 Cri du Chat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2014 13:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On January 01 2014 13:08 Cri du Chat wrote:
How can he wait for so much money for such a long time. I dont understand. He should have talked to a lawyer way sooner.
Its bad enough, if its about a month or two of salaries but that much prize money... He should take the legal route imo.


Payouts are a long long time in SC2. It's common in esports to receive prize money 6 months after winning a tournament.

The legal route is also tricky. Esport contracts are usually vague and not very professional, and as such, maybe he's not even owed anything etc. Not to mention the cost of the court, he would likely be spending 10k-15k for that, which would not be compensated. Also, it may be hard to track down Simon as well.


Bah, what a dirty business.


Young "employees" as well as inexperienced managers. Esports is a very small industry and so it's very difficult to bring in some experienced people with professional experience.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 04:23:44
January 01 2014 04:22 GMT
#123
On January 01 2014 13:20 turdburgler wrote:
i like how all the semi relevent esports 'peronsalities' are now coming out of the woodwork to explain to us about how they always knew quantic was bad news bears but none of them actually said anything before or during the time hyun was being screwed out of $23k. all these people being all hush hush until now because either they want to come across like they are more 'in' than they really are or actually dont care about (other) players getting fucked.

1 man doesnt make an organization, everyone else who has in any way touched quantic is just as in the wrong as the scumbag owner. bunch of enablers.


Players are helpless. If you speak out you may get released. And especially for players that are not S-level, that's very scary, because there are lots of players, and it's hard to get picked up due to a lack of teams.
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SenatorSushi
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 04:36:58
January 01 2014 04:24 GMT
#124
Hate to say this but Hyun probably won't get his money back. Like someone above said, I don't remember a player getting screwed by management and getting their money back or even suing. Also, this involves a Korean player, a Canadian owner (in Quebec I think), and a Swedish tournament adding even more barriers.

I wonder where the prize pool went (Simon's bank account? paying down team expenses? to other teams?). Surely Dreamhack would know if the money has left their bank account. Unlike what others here seem to think, I think it is reasonable for the money to go to the team first since some teams take a chunk out of the winnings, handle the finances, and pays salaries to the players. But given this situation maybe Dreakhack can consider paying players rather than the claimer which I'm guessing is Simon in this case.

I don't think complaining to the sponsors will help in this scenario. Presumably the sponsors have already paid the teams already. Alienware isn't going to take extra money out of their accounting books beacuse they feel bad for Hyun. The sponsors owe the team not the players no matter how much they may like the players. The worse thing about this is now Sponsors can point to this and say "well this scene/industry isn't very professional."
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
January 01 2014 04:25 GMT
#125
Guy's name is Simon Dorval

I'm acquaintance with the guy's cousin, who ironically also live a carefree life with extravagant family inheritance.
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12351 Posts
January 01 2014 04:28 GMT
#126
On January 01 2014 13:19 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2014 12:54 RenSC2 wrote:
Hey guys, I know this sucks for Hyun, but don't go pitchforking the sponsors.They got screwed over too. They were probably looking for positive and sustained exposure. Instead, they've been associated with a scam artist or very bad businessman who either walked away with a lot of cash or gambled money on ventures that didn't work and couldn't pay obligations. Either way, the sponsors didn't get what they wanted out of this deal.

If you're going to contact the sponsors, simply tell them that this guy has been scamming his players and that they should sponsor a different gaming team or individual players. If you go around telling them "I'll never buy your product again", then they'll just get out of this scene completely and we'll have nothing. As far as I can tell, the sponsors haven't done anything wrong and we should want those sponsors to stay in the scene, just with a better managed team so that our scene can stabilize.


It's not about threatening the sponsors, it's about asking them to do something about it. The publicity is bad right now. They can correct it by being proactive in helping right a wrong that is associated with their brand.

Sponsors aren't team managers.
They just have to stop sponsoring the wrong thing, they don't fix things, they switch.
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
January 01 2014 04:30 GMT
#127
Always smelled something fishy with Quantic, now I know why
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 10:14:15
January 01 2014 04:30 GMT
#128
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CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
January 01 2014 04:31 GMT
#129
Ah.. that's terrible.. love HyuN.

Wish him the best of luck and hopefully a better 2014.
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blackraven10
Profile Joined December 2012
Philippines3 Posts
January 01 2014 04:32 GMT
#130
Try getting a lawyer and file a lawsuit against the whole Quantic team
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SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
January 01 2014 04:34 GMT
#131
Hope Hyun is able to get something, anything, from Quantic. Hate to see anything like this happen to players. This type of shadiness shouldn't be occurring in a 'pro' team.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
January 01 2014 04:35 GMT
#132
That's a decent amount of money, I hope somehow you get some of it.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
January 01 2014 04:35 GMT
#133
Thats messed up
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
January 01 2014 04:35 GMT
#134
They essentially pinned all their hopes on the LoL team making it into the LCS, but couldn't even organise a house with a proper internet connection for them so they played from a netcafe and lost. Not shocked to see this come from Quantic, it's all i've seen from them
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Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
January 01 2014 04:39 GMT
#135
If I remember correctly, quantic collapsed the first time when sponsors pulled out last minute, and the CEO didnt come back to eSports, but that CEO wasnt shady, correct?

Im just trying to get it clear weather or not quantic was a legitimate team the first time 'round.

Also I feel for you Hyun, post on TL let us know what we can do ok :|
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gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
January 01 2014 04:39 GMT
#136
definitely seek legal counsel. you have signed papers which should contain verbiage stating tournament earnings are your entitlement. i don't forsee this Simon character upholding any of his stories in a court of law (even if it is canadian law)

best of luck, and i hope an organization with power can step up to the plate and suggest/create some value-add reform in this disgusting industry.
C r u m b l i n g
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 01 2014 04:42 GMT
#137
Looks really frustratingly bad. I wish esports could get past this, but every time I think we're out of it something like this happens.
Strangways
Profile Joined October 2013
United States13 Posts
January 01 2014 04:43 GMT
#138
"but it is far too easy to disapear from the internet these days"

It may be easy to disappear from the Internet but it it not at all easy for a man with substantial assets to disappear from the sight of a modern legal system employed by a determined plaintiff with a competent lawyer. The guy can blow off emails. He can't so easily ignore a lawsuit against him filed in Quebec Superior Court.
xyphx
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1 Post
January 01 2014 04:45 GMT
#139
in response to this post regarding how to handle their sponsors...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439685&currentpage=6#104

It might not be a bad idea though to try and see if the sponsors would be willing to help out in this regard. They could turn this into quite a positive for themselves out of this negative situation if they helped out to cover his losses. That would go so much farther, to me anyway and I believe many others, in forming good will toward their company/products than just a random team sponsorship. And considering the exposure this will get, it wouldn't go unnoticed.
That may be a better way to pressure the sponsors to react.

but idk, just an idea.

Hope the best for HyuN anyway. Sad to see this stuff.
synd
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria586 Posts
January 01 2014 04:48 GMT
#140
It's 2014 (happy new year!),
when are people starting to sue their fucking CEOs?

If he gets all the proof the tournaments paid the money to the team he can sue them. After all he's on contract.
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