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HyuN owed $23,000 in back pay and prize money by Quantic -…

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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 01 2014 04:50 GMT
#141
If I was a player and this happened to me I would be talking to a lawyer pretty quick. Somehow I doubt HyuN has even tried this option.
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
January 01 2014 04:52 GMT
#142
On January 01 2014 13:39 Maasked wrote:
If I remember correctly, quantic collapsed the first time when sponsors pulled out last minute, and the CEO didnt come back to eSports, but that CEO wasnt shady, correct?

Im just trying to get it clear weather or not quantic was a legitimate team the first time 'round.

Also I feel for you Hyun, post on TL let us know what we can do ok :|

You mean Mark Ferraz? Nah that guy was totally legit, just out of his element. The consensus seemed to be that Quantic 1.0 failed because they got too big, too fast.

As for Hyun's situation, I just hope he can somehow find the desire to stay in the scene. As one of the Koreans who actually embraced the foreign scene, it'd be a huge loss if we went into the new year w/o his charismatic personality =\...
Muffinman53
Profile Joined November 2010
571 Posts
January 01 2014 04:52 GMT
#143
This is ridiculously disgusting.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17785 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 04:54:38
January 01 2014 04:53 GMT
#144
i worked closely with an "eSports Team" whose owner promised a bunch of guys on the team a giant pay day.

every one waited and waited.
Then, tragedy of tragedies the owner got bone cancer and was dying.
(from what i've read this Simon guy is playing the "lump in his lung" card.)

That was 5 years ago, he is now the longest surviving bone cancer patient in medical history.

Yes, Miracles do happen people!
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PeopleWhoAnnoyYou
Profile Joined November 2012
58 Posts
January 01 2014 04:54 GMT
#145
Did you people already forget about the Massan incident not too long ago?
Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
January 01 2014 04:54 GMT
#146
On January 01 2014 13:52 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2014 13:39 Maasked wrote:
If I remember correctly, quantic collapsed the first time when sponsors pulled out last minute, and the CEO didnt come back to eSports, but that CEO wasnt shady, correct?

Im just trying to get it clear weather or not quantic was a legitimate team the first time 'round.

Also I feel for you Hyun, post on TL let us know what we can do ok :|

You mean Mark Ferraz? Nah that guy was totally legit, just out of his element. The consensus seemed to be that Quantic 1.0 failed because they got too big, too fast.

As for Hyun's situation, I just hope he can somehow find the desire to stay in the scene. As one of the Koreans who actually embraced the foreign scene, it'd be a huge loss if we went into the new year w/o his charismatic personality =\...

Yes I do, thanks for the clarification. Ferraz was a pretty cool guy.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 05:06:38
January 01 2014 05:03 GMT
#147
I haven't been following the whole progaming scene lately but yesterday I listened to part of Chanman's show and apparently this journalist guy wrote an article "The land of broken promises" or something. He apparently got a lot of flak for bringing up the fact that a lot of shady business is going on in esports. The international nature of the business and the lack of formal infrastructure means that it's very easy for scumbags like Simon Boudreault to steal people's money.

It wasn't the first Quantic/Simon scandal. And it was always reasonably obvious that Simon ran a bit of a micro pyramid scheme there, although it could've been incompetence but I'm not sure anybody would believe that.

I sincerely hope that Hyun gets his money and I also hope that Simon either steps up or gets prosecuted.
And like I said in the first scandal involving Simon, don't trust a guy who runs a professional team using his dad's credit card.

On January 01 2014 13:43 Strangways wrote:
The guy can blow off emails. He can't so easily ignore a lawsuit against him filed in Quebec Superior Court.

I'm from Quebec and even I don't know which court Hyun should take this to. Federal court? Court of Quebec?

The Quebec Superior Court might only look into this if it were $70k+. And the international aspect of this, plus the fact that Hyun doesn't speak much English, means that this is a huge fucking mess. One of the points of having a team is that a team has some collective resources to try to deal with any injustice. When your own team fucks you though, what can you really do...

On January 01 2014 13:50 Doodsmack wrote:
If I was a player and this happened to me I would be talking to a lawyer pretty quick. Somehow I doubt HyuN has even tried this option.

Lawyers are expensive and scared of dealing with international affairs.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
PeopleWhoAnnoyYou
Profile Joined November 2012
58 Posts
January 01 2014 05:07 GMT
#148
Exactly, Djzapz. Simon is a complete scumbag. The esports community is too soft on scammers. He's already pulled this crap before. It should be one strike and you're out.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
January 01 2014 05:10 GMT
#149
On January 01 2014 14:03 Djzapz wrote:
I haven't been following the whole progaming scene lately but yesterday I listened to part of Chanman's show and apparently this journalist guy wrote an article "The land of broken promises" or something. He apparently got a lot of flak for bringing up the fact that a lot of shady business is going on in esports. The international nature of the business and the lack of formal infrastructure means that it's very easy for scumbags like Simon Boudreault to steal people's money.

It wasn't the first Quantic/Simon scandal. And it was always reasonably obvious that Simon ran a bit of a micro pyramid scheme there, although it could've been incompetence but I'm not sure anybody would believe that.

I sincerely hope that Hyun gets his money and I also hope that Simon either steps up or gets prosecuted.
And like I said in the first scandal involving Simon, don't trust a guy who runs a professional team using his dad's credit card.

Show nested quote +
On January 01 2014 13:43 Strangways wrote:
The guy can blow off emails. He can't so easily ignore a lawsuit against him filed in Quebec Superior Court.

I'm from Quebec and even I don't know which court Hyun should take this to. Federal court? Court of Quebec?

The Quebec Superior Court might only look into this if it were $70k+. And the international aspect of this, plus the fact that Hyun doesn't speak much English, means that this is a huge fucking mess. One of the points of having a team is that a team has some collective resources to try to deal with any injustice. When your own team fucks you though, what can you really do...

Show nested quote +
On January 01 2014 13:50 Doodsmack wrote:
If I was a player and this happened to me I would be talking to a lawyer pretty quick. Somehow I doubt HyuN has even tried this option.

Lawyers are expensive and scared of dealing with international affairs.


plus the lawyer would have to hire a private investigator to find the guy probably. then there's the whole issue of if the guy even has the money to pay it because if he doesn't than you've sunk a ton of money that you're probably not going to get back. and that doesn't even take into effect this is international which creates a million more problems.
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
January 01 2014 05:11 GMT
#150
Poor Hyun, hopefully he'll get his money one way or another.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
January 01 2014 05:13 GMT
#151
not a good way to start 2014
ArtistenSc2
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden53 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 05:26:09
January 01 2014 05:19 GMT
#152
For Hyun it's between him and the team, not Simon tbh.
Have he made demands of payment from the team?
What response if so?

it's up to the team to hunt Simon (and solve Hyuns demands)...
Simon was employed by the team, right?
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LamaMitHut
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany187 Posts
January 01 2014 05:21 GMT
#153
a very good player needs a lot of help.

please, guys of team liquid, if u read that: make hyun a member of TL.


help him, owners of TL.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
January 01 2014 05:22 GMT
#154
I haven't trusted Simon since the MaSsan incident... This isn't a surprise that he fucked over another player for his team IMO.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
January 01 2014 05:35 GMT
#155
Donation ? You're making Simon's life a lot easier.
Terran & Potato Salad.
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
January 01 2014 05:42 GMT
#156
Just disgusting that such a thing is even possible. All I can think is that players need to be more aggressive about firm legal contracts with clear avenues of recourse in cases like this. When people's livelihoods are at risk such utter duplicity should not be tolerated in the least.
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
January 01 2014 05:42 GMT
#157
On January 01 2014 14:13 jax1492 wrote:
not a good way to start 2014


Some success story, often involve bad things such as these, and then become so successful so great.

Maybe, it is a good way to start 2014 for Hyun. Maybe he will be the Esport Icon in 2014 or something.
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Khai
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia553 Posts
January 01 2014 05:43 GMT
#158
Players, especially Koreans in the foreign scene need to be more careful with their money, there seems to be quite a few of these shady characters around in eSports. Hyun wasn't the first and won't be the last one.
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 05:47:57
January 01 2014 05:46 GMT
#159
So the team has no money?

Wasnt Hyuns contract with the team?

Shouldnt the team be the one trying to find out what happened to its money?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 01 2014 05:51 GMT
#160
$23000? ridiculous! I feel bad for HyuN, poor guy
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