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On January 01 2014 15:47 ymir233 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 13:08 JoeEastham wrote:
Myself and Curse talked with HyuN to work out how much money was owed and did our best to get Simon to pay but it is far too easy to disapear from the internet these days. I hope Simon will eventually come to his senses and pay HyuN and any others he may owe money to (if they want to make their matters public, it is down to them. I will not reveal any names!) So your only connection to the guy with the money was the internet. No records of permanent address, no phone, nothing that would be available in a standard resume or individual information within a company. Poor showing, poor showing indeed. How disappointing.
His face and name are all over the webs. Worst case scenario, he's not that hard to find if someone really wants to. The guy's a thief, not a fugitive.
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On January 01 2014 12:31 Uldred wrote:
Really horrible on Quantic and Simon's part. I can't support any of their sponsors after this if it doesn't get resolved.
Burn Controllers, ROCCAT and Alienware won't ever receive my business after this.
I realize they aren't at fault, but they have some responsibility in this seeing as how their name and brand is attached to Quantic.
And this is why esports will never be taken seriously. You're scum.
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On January 01 2014 12:31 Uldred wrote:
Really horrible on Quantic and Simon's part. I can't support any of their sponsors after this if it doesn't get resolved.
Burn Controllers, ROCCAT and Alienware won't ever receive my business after this.
I realize they aren't at fault, but they have some responsibility in this seeing as how their name and brand is attached to Quantic.
what? are you serious? do you know how sponsorships work? this isn't the fault of Burn, ROCCAT, and Alienware at all.
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In the end, the players could talk.
I wonder if someone opened up a donating account to go towards the lawyer to own Simon for Hyun and then advertised it on TL.net. Would people donate into it? Would it even be that much?
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On January 01 2014 15:59 Gruntt wrote:
In the end, the players could talk.
I wonder if someone opened up a donating account to go towards the lawyer to own Simon for Hyun and then advertised it on TL.net. Would people donate into it? Would it even be that much?
Someone would probably find a way to steal that money too in this rotten fucking madness that we call esports.
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On January 01 2014 16:03 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 15:59 Gruntt wrote:
In the end, the players could talk.
I wonder if someone opened up a donating account to go towards the lawyer to own Simon for Hyun and then advertised it on TL.net. Would people donate into it? Would it even be that much? Someone would probably find a way to steal that money too in this rotten fucking madness that we call esports.
Yeah I thought of that right after I posted.. lol
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Hyun can't you file a suit?
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On January 01 2014 15:47 ymir233 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 13:08 JoeEastham wrote:
Myself and Curse talked with HyuN to work out how much money was owed and did our best to get Simon to pay but it is far too easy to disapear from the internet these days. I hope Simon will eventually come to his senses and pay HyuN and any others he may owe money to (if they want to make their matters public, it is down to them. I will not reveal any names!) So your only connection to the guy with the money was the internet. No records of permanent address, no phone, nothing that would be available in a standard resume or individual information within a company. Poor showing, poor showing indeed. How disappointing.
I think he was an unpaid volunteer? If so he wasnt in the best position to be asking questions while working with Quantic.
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This is terrible news, I really hope hyun doesn't decide to quit progaming after this incident.
Also, for anyone looking for the conversation referenced about Massan, here is the link: http://nn.lv/frez
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On January 01 2014 16:07 buchaa wrote:
Hyun can't you file a suit?
Filing an international lawsuit is expensive, complicated, would most likely require an interpret unless Hyun's English is better than I think it is. It also probably requires at least some travel, and some people would need to be hired to find where Simon even is, and if he's actually responsible.
The evidence from emails is probably sufficient to win the suit but taking this to a Canadian court would be ridiculously expensive and in the end Hyun wouldn't win much, and he'd possibly even lose a lot because justice is not always rendered.
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On January 01 2014 11:58 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 11:53 Gojira621 wrote:
Hyun needs to hire a lawyer immediately. This is straight up theft. This guy can't disappear forever He can disappear for a long time, he doesn't even really have to hide. Also, lawyers are expensive and trials can take years to finish. And even if HyuN can sue him successfully, there is a chance that Simon doesn't have the money anymore and can't give anything back.
if the lawyers are good enough, they might be able to get at simon's parents to pay for simon
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sad for HyuN.. T_T , isn't there's also another player from quantic the wrote something like this not so long ago?
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On January 01 2014 12:21 Undead1993 wrote:
ye you could feel in the last couple of tournaments that he was stressed out, poor guy. kind of sad how some foreign teams treat the clueless koreans, axiom obviously doesn't but.
Axiom is not a foreign team
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Its really shitty that this is still and has always been a problem in eSports. Even reputable organizations have had problems in the past so its not really a surprise, but it just goes to show that when your a big name commodity such as a HyuN there's no reason to sign for an up-and-coming team like Quantic, which also had a troubled past. Poor HyuN.. really hope he doesn't quit over this, but with SC2 on the decline there aren't many teams that will meet his salary needs..
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Simon Dorval is a thief.
When i search his name i want this to be seen at the very top of the google result list; so it can warn any one in the future if they are considering working with this criminal.
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Esports continues it's reputation for shadiness. Sad but unsurprising.
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This is really sad news. I hope Simon delivers on the money. This is already bad enough for e-sports even without him coughing up the money. :-(
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Everyone needs to get on the quantic forums and call out Simon. Email the sponsors, tweet at Simon, do ANYTHING. Shit like this is killing esports, and pieces of shit like Simon need to be held responsible.
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People like Simon, Loveen and Blackfoger make me sick. They try to play a real-life game of Monopoly, without realizing they're seriously undermining the livelihood of real human beings.
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And I thought the bullshit Quantic pulled on Masaan was bad.
Fuck is this some bullshit, I hope HyuN gets his money and double or triple that.
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