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On December 22 2013 05:30 Komentaja wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 05:27 Plansix wrote:On December 22 2013 05:19 Komentaja wrote:On December 22 2013 03:57 Zealously wrote:On December 22 2013 03:56 EasyLemon wrote:
this is mad. i suggest pro-gamers start to organize and make an union to defend their rights.
- blizzard basically says no to free speech with rules on interviews.
- blizzard doesnt own players so blizzard shouldnt say what players can do and what they cant apart from the event premises.
yes - blizzard gives money to players, but players gives their lives to sc2. so its just not fair that blizzard treats players like this. sad. just sad. You really don't understand how this works. So, in the fashion of Plansix, Zealously, and others who take a position and insult everybody who takes the opposite position: Sounds like you have both reading comprehension problems and straight-up autism, Zealously! Can't we all just stop this us and them thing? Probably not, but let's at least try. These rules are, in general, "good" for everybody, but, just like freedom of speech, you should let people be outspoken and passionate even if you don't agree with them. Please, let's not have an entirely PC society in SC2, too.  Complains that people are getting insulted, then insults the poster he was complaining about. Brings up free speech, when it has nothing to do with the topic, as players willing enter WCS. There is nothing wrong with being outspoken, as long as you have your facts straight. If you don't, expect to get called out on it. I was doing that theatrically for effect, to show you what it feels like and looks like. Not seriously. Also, what is the point of free speech if we can say, "Oh, yeah, we like free speech, but not here. Nope, not there either. Welp, looks like there's only free speech in 25% of actual life." That whole attitude is a little dangerous, don't you think?
You realize Free Speech doesn't apply to your job right?
You can say whatever you want and not get arrested for it, but your employer who pays you (in this case Blizzard) has every right to fire your ass for your racist hateful rants.
Also, not everywhere is the USA. Most other countries on the planet don't put up with such BS.
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My favourite bit about all of this is Blizzard stating that all replays must be released.
I think this is great to innovate stale meta games due to players being figured out after each and every tournament.
I think they're on to a winner!
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I worry about the "players must behave in a sportsmanlike manner at all times" element, because in-game BM (think Manner Nexus when you are winning, Pylon hearts, dancing units, creep tumor initials, etc.) can often be a lot of fun for the community.
I worry that might be considered "unsportsmanlike." Perhaps it is. But I like it.
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On December 22 2013 07:30 nullroar wrote:
I worry about the "players must behave in a sportsmanlike manner at all times" element, because in-game BM (think Manner Nexus when you are winning, Pylon hearts, dancing units, creep tumor initials, etc.) can often be a lot of fun for the community.
I worry that might be considered "unsportsmanlike." Perhaps it is. But I like it.
I will bet money that will not be fined. Calling someone a "cheesey little shit" or "patchzerg" will get you fined. These rules will only be enforced when someone gets out of line. Nothing will really change.
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On December 22 2013 06:00 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 05:30 Komentaja wrote:On December 22 2013 05:27 Plansix wrote:On December 22 2013 05:19 Komentaja wrote:On December 22 2013 03:57 Zealously wrote:On December 22 2013 03:56 EasyLemon wrote:
this is mad. i suggest pro-gamers start to organize and make an union to defend their rights.
- blizzard basically says no to free speech with rules on interviews.
- blizzard doesnt own players so blizzard shouldnt say what players can do and what they cant apart from the event premises.
yes - blizzard gives money to players, but players gives their lives to sc2. so its just not fair that blizzard treats players like this. sad. just sad. You really don't understand how this works. So, in the fashion of Plansix, Zealously, and others who take a position and insult everybody who takes the opposite position: Sounds like you have both reading comprehension problems and straight-up autism, Zealously! Can't we all just stop this us and them thing? Probably not, but let's at least try. These rules are, in general, "good" for everybody, but, just like freedom of speech, you should let people be outspoken and passionate even if you don't agree with them. Please, let's not have an entirely PC society in SC2, too. Complains that people are getting insulted, then insults the poster he was complaining about. Brings up free speech, when it has nothing to do with the topic, as players willing enter WCS. There is nothing wrong with being outspoken, as long as you have your facts straight. If you don't, expect to get called out on it. I was doing that theatrically for effect, to show you what it feels like and looks like. Not seriously. Also, what is the point of free speech if we can say, "Oh, yeah, we like free speech, but not here. Nope, not there either. Welp, looks like there's only free speech in 25% of actual life." That whole attitude is a little dangerous, don't you think? You realize Free Speech doesn't apply to your job right? You can say whatever you want and not get arrested for it, but your employer who pays you (in this case Blizzard) has every right to fire your ass for your racist hateful rants. Also, not everywhere is the USA. Most other countries on the planet don't put up with such BS.
Even in America there are limits on "free" speech. Basically any sort of speech along the lines of yelling bomb on an airplane or yelling fire in a crowded area is illegal. Any sort of speech that incites a panic among a crowded area. Also assemblies that use speech to stir crowds to violence is also illegal.
That said, Blizzard isn't the player's employer. Blizzard is like the NBA administration, they try to organize rules and set schedules with the respective venues and can issue fines/bans if a player is shown to have committed a grave offense(Dennis Rodman kicking that photographer is the one I remember off the top of my head). The player's teams are the employers of the players, they pay the salaries, lan fees, flights, etc.(usually, most big time contracts include stuff like that). Blizzard is trying to "legislate" morality.
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There are things are just meant to settle and regulate themselves. And, while I can see where Blizzard are coming from, imho, not all of the rules had to be worded so imperatively.
However, as always, it will come down to how the rules are actually applied. And this is what only time can tell.
Btw, Naniwa pic is just hilarious! =)
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On December 22 2013 07:47 FromShouri wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 06:00 Figgy wrote:On December 22 2013 05:30 Komentaja wrote:On December 22 2013 05:27 Plansix wrote:On December 22 2013 05:19 Komentaja wrote:On December 22 2013 03:57 Zealously wrote:On December 22 2013 03:56 EasyLemon wrote:
this is mad. i suggest pro-gamers start to organize and make an union to defend their rights.
- blizzard basically says no to free speech with rules on interviews.
- blizzard doesnt own players so blizzard shouldnt say what players can do and what they cant apart from the event premises.
yes - blizzard gives money to players, but players gives their lives to sc2. so its just not fair that blizzard treats players like this. sad. just sad. You really don't understand how this works. So, in the fashion of Plansix, Zealously, and others who take a position and insult everybody who takes the opposite position: Sounds like you have both reading comprehension problems and straight-up autism, Zealously! Can't we all just stop this us and them thing? Probably not, but let's at least try. These rules are, in general, "good" for everybody, but, just like freedom of speech, you should let people be outspoken and passionate even if you don't agree with them. Please, let's not have an entirely PC society in SC2, too. Complains that people are getting insulted, then insults the poster he was complaining about. Brings up free speech, when it has nothing to do with the topic, as players willing enter WCS. There is nothing wrong with being outspoken, as long as you have your facts straight. If you don't, expect to get called out on it. I was doing that theatrically for effect, to show you what it feels like and looks like. Not seriously. Also, what is the point of free speech if we can say, "Oh, yeah, we like free speech, but not here. Nope, not there either. Welp, looks like there's only free speech in 25% of actual life." That whole attitude is a little dangerous, don't you think? You realize Free Speech doesn't apply to your job right? You can say whatever you want and not get arrested for it, but your employer who pays you (in this case Blizzard) has every right to fire your ass for your racist hateful rants. Also, not everywhere is the USA. Most other countries on the planet don't put up with such BS. Even in America there are limits on "free" speech. Basically any sort of speech along the lines of yelling bomb on an airplane or yelling fire in a crowded area is illegal. Any sort of speech that incites a panic among a crowded area. Also assemblies that use speech to stir crowds to violence is also illegal. That said, Blizzard isn't the player's employer. Blizzard is like the NBA administration, they try to organize rules and set schedules with the respective venues and can issue fines/bans if a player is shown to have committed a grave offense(Dennis Rodman kicking that photographer is the one I remember off the top of my head). The player's teams are the employers of the players, they pay the salaries, lan fees, flights, etc.(usually, most big time contracts include stuff like that). Blizzard is trying to "legislate" morality.
The NBA has even stricter policies on what can and cannot be said by players. Every major sports league does and all of them focus on good sportsmanship. I don't know why people think that Blizzards rules are more strict that a professional sports league, because they are not.
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"Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans"
Shhhh Naniwa. No tears, only dreams now.
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Do people actually think that the no chat rule in Kespa made Korean pros faceless to Koreans?? OGN did a great job in BW to use different ways to hype up players and story lines in and out of the game. A good example is zooming-in/showing the players' faces when something game changing happened. It really showed a lot of emotion, not only from chat.
The new rule is a bit too restrictive, but to avoid complicated cases, a simply, strict rule is the best way to avoid controversies.
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I love it! Thank you for enforcing professionalism!
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I'd like to think Naniwa is just getting all his dickishness out of the way now.
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I guess Idra is lucky these rules weren't around when he was still in the competitive scene, would've definitely hampered with his popularity.
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I like the "friendly" banter at the start of games. As long as it doesn't violate other rules (like language) the players should be able to chat. I feel it adds to the games. Oh well.
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I think the worst thing of this is the chatting part, just why, lol, trashtalk is sweet and creates personality, whether it be good or bad.
Best thing is the no replay watching between games
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This is ok in my opinion  we will see how it durns up at the end :D
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On December 22 2013 07:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 07:30 nullroar wrote:
I worry about the "players must behave in a sportsmanlike manner at all times" element, because in-game BM (think Manner Nexus when you are winning, Pylon hearts, dancing units, creep tumor initials, etc.) can often be a lot of fun for the community.
I worry that might be considered "unsportsmanlike." Perhaps it is. But I like it. I will bet money that will not be fined. Calling someone a "cheesey little shit" or "patchzerg" will get you fined. These rules will only be enforced when someone gets out of line. Nothing will really change.
Patchzerg seems harmless enough. What about "expansiontoss"?
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This PG-13 crap is nauseating, although the worst bit is censoring casters. Seriously? If someone is garbage, and everyone can see they're garbage, why shouldn't the caster be able to acknowledge that? I'd like to hear Khaldor's opinion about this.
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On December 21 2013 04:53 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 23:13 Crownlol wrote:
Strange that they can't use chat, some of the longer greetings are nice! J. During the game, players may not use chat except for a greeting, closing, and request for pause. so i think the typical stephano greeting would be allowed here as example. i not saw a single non related chat anyways who wasnt greeting or closing Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 04:17 crappen wrote:
Pretty lame ruleset, but that's what we get when a bunch of corporate fags are writing the rules. Yes lets all be robots, show no emotion, just purchase all the shit thrown at us, lets behave and bend over and take it like a slut.
User was warned for this post wow ... a WARNING ? really ? in the good old times he would have been hitched trough the town by spikes and flames xDin other words ... dude thats BS the rules are fine and every normal person on earth should follow them with np ... like in every other sport ... if you say after a soccergame that your enemy team is a bunch of fuckers etc you get problems as well ...
Lol, even with a smiley behind your comment of the good old days, I still get the feeling you like those kind of enforcement.
My problem with this is even in your post, normal people. Who the fuck are you or them to tell what is normal or not? I hate rules that enforces language behaviour, its really silly in so many ways. Enforce laws that actually means something, like hitting your opponent in the face. It seems that we get more rules every day, and people get more and more fed up with this shit. It's like we're all pussies and can't take some smack talk anymore.
I am sure that people will come up with more rules if all these are followed, cause people just like to force their will upon each other, to feel powerful. It's not human nature, its insanity.
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On December 22 2013 22:11 madbringer wrote:
This PG-13 crap is nauseating, although the worst bit is censoring casters. Seriously? If someone is garbage, and everyone can see they're garbage, why shouldn't the caster be able to acknowledge that? I'd like to hear Khaldor's opinion about this.
Because if you play in a GSL event you are by definition not garbage, you are the one percent. Casters will still be able to say that he did not play as well as he could or whatever. If a player makes glaring mistakes they will be called out, it does not mean the caster is being negative about the player. It seems to me the rule is more about not being allowed to call a player an asshole.
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On December 23 2013 01:21 Flyingdutchman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 22:11 madbringer wrote:
This PG-13 crap is nauseating, although the worst bit is censoring casters. Seriously? If someone is garbage, and everyone can see they're garbage, why shouldn't the caster be able to acknowledge that? I'd like to hear Khaldor's opinion about this. Because if you play in a GSL event you are by definition not garbage, you are the one percent.
Now, maybe. There were a lot of terrible players in the GSL during the early days, and neither Tasteless nor Artosis were afraid to say as much on-air. Also, you took me too literally, I'm not saying casters should be allowed to spew profanities at players (aside from the fact that this is common sense and making rules about it is redundant, because doing so would be committing career suicide anyway), I'm saying they should be allowed to voice harsh criticism if they deem it necessary.
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