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Don't Get Fined - WCS 2014 Handbook - Page 18

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Duckman
Profile Joined August 2009
United States158 Posts
December 21 2013 07:01 GMT
#341
Mostly I'm worried about the Behavior clause. It is very vague and open to interpretation by tournament directors, for example, Scarlett's "knock knock, whose there, 6 zerglings lol" joke COULD be called unsportsmanlike, or it could be called good natured, but I reckon players will refrain from posting stuff like that in the future for fear of retribution. Even many Korean players have decent banter in pre-game interviews (MC's confidence, others saying they will win a match in 3 games), it seems like this rule would hinder those moments which I think are vital to appeal to the community. As others have said, we don't want to watch robots, we want to watch relatable players, and adding a broad "Behavior" clause will stymie personality in my opinion.
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
December 21 2013 07:32 GMT
#342
  • If a game is delayed or forced to restart due to bnet 2.0 disconnects, Blizzard entertainment will not be penalised for any down time or negative effects on the player's game. If a player experiences any kind of distress due to disconnection at a critical time of his/her game, players are advice to relief their anger on the numerous number of destructible rocks that can be found scattered in various locations on the map.

orllyfools
Profile Joined May 2012
United States153 Posts
December 21 2013 08:39 GMT
#343
there are way too many over reactions from you people. all that "cool' stuff you talk about rarely happens as it is. and whats 1% if they really want to show their personalities and stand out. it might even be a good "investment" for some players.
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Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States880 Posts
December 21 2013 10:16 GMT
#344
I'll echo my dislike for the chat rule. I think anything non-offensive that a player can do to make people laugh or otherwise endear himself/herself to the viewers is a positive thing. Removing that banter reduces the chances for smiles =(.

Other than that, I'm glad they made a very thorough set of rules that seem focused on trying to make tournaments run more smoothly.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
December 21 2013 11:02 GMT
#345
Where is the page with Naniwa's pic?
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
December 21 2013 11:18 GMT
#346
On December 21 2013 20:02 Garnet wrote:
Where is the page with Naniwa's pic?


Here
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
December 21 2013 11:29 GMT
#347
I smell Kespa
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Jj_82
Profile Joined December 2012
Swaziland419 Posts
December 21 2013 12:19 GMT
#348
"No chatting" - this is stupid to some extent, because it adds to a viewers enjoyment, if players chit chat with each other! So... wtf?
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12632 Posts
December 21 2013 12:45 GMT
#349
i like the no chatting rules, I think random chatting in tournament just makes it feel unprofessional.
imagine you can talk to your opponent in snooker lol
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 12:47:30
December 21 2013 12:47 GMT
#350
On December 21 2013 21:19 Jj_82 wrote:
"No chatting" - this is stupid to some extent, because it adds to a viewers enjoyment, if players chit chat with each other! So... wtf?

I think the rule is more like GSTL, they had the rule in place but never actually enforced it(if they did it didn't happen a lot), so normal chatting is most likely fine but negative/bad comments about your opponent/excessive chatting is probably a no-no
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Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
December 21 2013 14:25 GMT
#351
Rule 1) Don't resist Robert Baratheon do his thing like what he did to nani in that picture on front page for "Don't Get Fined"
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qoiN
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden576 Posts
December 21 2013 14:32 GMT
#352
Why do I have the feeling that Naniwa would rather give away 5% of his winnings to say "fuck you" to the people he really dislikes.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
December 21 2013 14:35 GMT
#353
On December 21 2013 21:19 Jj_82 wrote:
"No chatting" - this is stupid to some extent, because it adds to a viewers enjoyment, if players chit chat with each other! So... wtf?

I would assume it's largely to prevent mind games and "How could I lose to the worst player in the world" stuff.
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neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
December 21 2013 14:47 GMT
#354
On December 21 2013 21:19 Jj_82 wrote:
"No chatting" - this is stupid to some extent, because it adds to a viewers enjoyment, if players chit chat with each other! So... wtf?


The old writing "a" and then bunker rushing. Fun and happy times.
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 21 2013 15:01 GMT
#355
On December 21 2013 23:32 qoiN wrote:
Why do I have the feeling that Naniwa would rather give away 5% of his winnings to say "fuck you" to the people he really dislikes.

Rage isn't a choice, it's genetic. BM isn't a habit, it's a way of life. Nani Ruff Ryda fo lyfe.
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Symbioth
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland103 Posts
December 21 2013 15:05 GMT
#356
A. Language – In all languages, players may not use obscene gestures, profanity and/or racist comments in game chat, lobby chat, or live interviews. This includes abbreviations and/or obscure references. Organizers reserve the right to enforce this at their own discretion.


So the point of that is to make things more professional which might seem good on the surface level because we associate professionalism with high quality but what I find lacking in this approach is the purpose, or said another way, where is this "professionalism" taking us. To a more serious looking SCII esports environment ? There are benefits from this, true, however at the same time, I think we are losing something essential - I think we are losing the humanity of it all.

In fact, I see this is a supression of a player's personality. Suddenly, you no longer have the right to express yourself as you are, instead, you are forced to fit into the cookie-cutter mold. What was so wrong about the little bm here and there ? Why do we have to ban it ? The bm incidents were quite rare anyway and they added something vital to the experience of esports - they added personal stories that could be directly experienced by the viewer. On top of that, the bm incidents that were happening weren't malicious or nasty, the vast majority of it was in the spirit of good fun.

I can understand why this rule is being implemented - if we want to draw esports closer to being mainstream, we need to make it similar to how other mainstream competitive disciplines look like, as this is the only way we can aquire further funding and social acceptance. Unfortunately, it's hard to argue with this. The problem I have with this is that I don't think esports needs to become like everything else that is mainstream. For me, this siphons away one of the key features that draws me and many other people to esports in the first place - personal stories, unique culture and atmosphere.

In summary, the expressions and possibilites of a player that were prohibited by this rule were source of substantial value to many within the community and while there are benefits from making the scene more professional by banning "inappropriate" expressions, there are also significant drawbacks. We lose many priceless stories because of this rule. We also lose the view of player's unique personality. I think that's a lot.





Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
December 21 2013 15:36 GMT
#357
On December 21 2013 21:45 ETisME wrote:
i like the no chatting rules, I think random chatting in tournament just makes it feel unprofessional.
imagine you can talk to your opponent in snooker lol

except this isn't snooker and not comparable to snooker because you don't take turns in SC2.

I also don't like this rule. the occasional smack talk made some fun moments.
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Akimbo
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada104 Posts
December 21 2013 16:35 GMT
#358
Does GSL and OSL have these rules? it always seems they are always the exception.
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Fortidei
Profile Joined November 2012
Romania33 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 17:12:58
December 21 2013 17:12 GMT
#359
C. Disputes and Redress – Any disputes a player may have with the current operation of the league should first be addressed by email, telephone or in person to the tournament organizer. If the organizer does not provide an adequate response in a timely fashion,
players and teams should contact Blizzard Entertainment at esportsteam@blizzard.com.


So you get banned for complaining in public. Player union when?
is5-baseic
Profile Joined July 2012
United States9 Posts
December 21 2013 17:28 GMT
#360
On December 22 2013 02:12 Fortidei wrote:
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C. Disputes and Redress – Any disputes a player may have with the current operation of the league should first be addressed by email, telephone or in person to the tournament organizer. If the organizer does not provide an adequate response in a timely fashion,
players and teams should contact Blizzard Entertainment at esportsteam@blizzard.com.


So you get banned for complaining in public. Player union when?

I THINK (I'm not sure, but hey why not speculate) this is to minimize the amount of Pro Player complaints Blizzard has to find on forums like Team Liquid by having players directly contact them with complaints. I can respect that, though I doubt Blizzard will be handing out fines to players who respond to threads with their first impressions.

Also, the "No In-Game Chatter" rule is a blanket rule clearly made to stop players from playing a sort of text-based meta-game during a serious professional match; it's assumed that nobody will try but JUST IN CASE there needs to be a rule written down that can be enforced should the scenario come up. I don't know about the "No Replays Between Games In A Series"; that feels a little weird to me. I don't know though, we'll need to wait and see how things play out in the first major tournament in 2014.
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