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Don't Get Fined - WCS 2014 Handbook - Page 21

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Gene(S)is
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden419 Posts
December 22 2013 17:27 GMT
#401
Starting to look like Kespa, the very same organization Blizzard once sued. Can't they see what they are turning into?
For the swarm
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
December 22 2013 17:47 GMT
#402
That no chatting rule is the only thing I disagree with in the whole handbook.

So pretty decent job. Just no full KeSPA pls.
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
December 22 2013 19:03 GMT
#403
Why can drunk players be disqualified?

If they don't lose anyway, doesn't that just show they're better?
Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
December 22 2013 19:28 GMT
#404
no Replay watching between games? :o I guess i understand ;X
President of the ReaL Fan Club.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 22 2013 19:29 GMT
#405
On December 23 2013 04:28 Daumen wrote:
no Replay watching between games? :o I guess i understand ;X


This was actually already the case this year.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Fizzy
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden388 Posts
December 22 2013 20:00 GMT
#406
On December 20 2013 23:56 Sly Faux wrote:
I understand the reasons behind this, we need to act professional fi we are to be taken seriously, but this just rustle my jimmies. No offensive language, no in game chat... basically all the lovable friendly trash talk that really gets me hyped, is out. No more personalities everybody! Remember how much we loved Idra's "Fuck you" to Huk after that Halluc VR match? NO MORE OF THAT NOW!. Robots everybody, just play the game and get out.

4thelolz: No CHEATING!? Looks like the whole Protoss race is out... those advanced imbalanced theocratic dicks.

User was warned for this post


Oh would you grow up.

Its sad really that you cant enjoy the game without the players writing to eachother.
Mvp - Grubby - NaNiwa - Alliance DOTA2 <3
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
December 22 2013 20:23 GMT
#407
I doubt that most of those rules are going to be enforced. I know tournament organizers love some drama for more publicity. And if theres a pro that doesnt care about money its naniwa. I wouldnt be suprised if he doesnt change at all because of this
EasyLemon
Profile Joined December 2012
Latvia5 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 00:13:23
December 22 2013 23:58 GMT
#408
On December 22 2013 06:00 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 05:30 Komentaja wrote:
On December 22 2013 05:27 Plansix wrote:
On December 22 2013 05:19 Komentaja wrote:
On December 22 2013 03:57 Zealously wrote:
On December 22 2013 03:56 EasyLemon wrote:
this is mad. i suggest pro-gamers start to organize and make an union to defend their rights.
- blizzard basically says no to free speech with rules on interviews.
- blizzard doesnt own players so blizzard shouldnt say what players can do and what they cant apart from the event premises.
yes - blizzard gives money to players, but players gives their lives to sc2. so its just not fair that blizzard treats players like this. sad. just sad.


You really don't understand how this works.

So, in the fashion of Plansix, Zealously, and others who take a position and insult everybody who takes the opposite position: Sounds like you have both reading comprehension problems and straight-up autism, Zealously! Can't we all just stop this us and them thing? Probably not, but let's at least try.

These rules are, in general, "good" for everybody, but, just like freedom of speech, you should let people be outspoken and passionate even if you don't agree with them. Please, let's not have an entirely PC society in SC2, too.


Complains that people are getting insulted, then insults the poster he was complaining about. Brings up free speech, when it has nothing to do with the topic, as players willing enter WCS.

There is nothing wrong with being outspoken, as long as you have your facts straight. If you don't, expect to get called out on it.

I was doing that theatrically for effect, to show you what it feels like and looks like. Not seriously. Also, what is the point of free speech if we can say, "Oh, yeah, we like free speech, but not here. Nope, not there either. Welp, looks like there's only free speech in 25% of actual life." That whole attitude is a little dangerous, don't you think?


You realize Free Speech doesn't apply to your job right?

You can say whatever you want and not get arrested for it, but your employer who pays you (in this case Blizzard) has every right to fire your ass for your racist hateful rants.

Also, not everywhere is the USA. Most other countries on the planet don't put up with such BS.


There are difference between denial of free speech and rules against racism and hateful rants. If player want to say that his opponent needs go back to drawing table, which might be disrespectful, but it is what player thinks, then theres no reason to not let him say that. According to the rules thats can be fined. Tho its a bit far stretched.
Im sure all sc2 players are smart enough not to be associated with racism.
And im not sure how things work in your country - in my country's constitution there are clear point - there no denial of free speech. I worked for state, and only point in our contract about free speech was that i am not allowed to give out the information i work with.

And about blizzard being employer... thats not true. I can imagine why would one think like that, but then everyone who plays sc2 is employed by blizzard? The reputation of company you work for is closly connected to your actions, but this is not case - blizzards reputation is not affected with Stephano drinking problem.
And this thing hit me with these rules - these rules dont only regulate tournament organization, but also what players should do and what to not. And what they gain with these rules?
The worst/best part of big tournaments are the final ceremony. I hope they add rules how player need to lift trophies and pop champagne bottles, because its blizzard's property.
asdf
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10165 Posts
December 23 2013 00:16 GMT
#409
Pretty sure that about being intoxicated, insulting co workers, etc... any boss would be able to fire you on a dismissal on disciplinary grounds. And yeah, you are the one signing into WCS, so you are subject to their rules (if they are not against your rights, and freedom of speech, is not what you think it is).
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
December 23 2013 00:32 GMT
#410
Honestly, it is not like there is much chatting to begin with. I think they should not ban chat, because when players chat, it makes things more interesting. The other rules are obviously totally reasonable.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44306 Posts
December 23 2013 00:56 GMT
#411
On December 20 2013 23:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 23:36 MajOr wrote:
I. Players may switch races after each match. < retarded

That rule is never going to be used and in case it is used it will be amazing and absolutely reward skill. Being able to play multiple races in a single series nothing to look down upon or to obstruct with a ruleset.

I've seen players do that during BW ... well that was BW anyways
this is a quote
Carefoot
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada410 Posts
December 23 2013 03:16 GMT
#412
On December 23 2013 04:03 snow2.0 wrote:
Why can drunk players be disqualified?

If they don't lose anyway, doesn't that just show they're better?


Prohibition type laws aren't meant to make any sense. Alcohol consumers, and cannabis consumers like myself should basically boycott the WCS if we can't enjoy ourselves legally with of age friends, family or fans. Ultimately if I have epliepsy and, Blizzard catches me smoking a joint they will turn me into the federalis. I will not be watching, or participating in WCS out of respect for the lack of insight from eSports @ Blizzard (this is looking at you Torch - and this is your 2nd strike with me - get one more - and I will be sprinkling weed seeds into your lawn into eternity).
The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day venture to the stars http://twitch.tv/NickCarefoot
D_K_night
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada615 Posts
December 23 2013 03:47 GMT
#413
I like the movement towards strict professionalism. It helps legitimize the scene, and that's what we need most of all. The more professional we are, the less and less we'll see instances of situations that mock the esports scene, especially from people who don't understand what this is all about.
Canada
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 23 2013 03:53 GMT
#414
On December 23 2013 12:16 Carefoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 04:03 snow2.0 wrote:
Why can drunk players be disqualified?

If they don't lose anyway, doesn't that just show they're better?


Prohibition type laws aren't meant to make any sense. Alcohol consumers, and cannabis consumers like myself should basically boycott the WCS if we can't enjoy ourselves legally with of age friends, family or fans. Ultimately if I have epliepsy and, Blizzard catches me smoking a joint they will turn me into the federalis. I will not be watching, or participating in WCS out of respect for the lack of insight from eSports @ Blizzard (this is looking at you Torch - and this is your 2nd strike with me - get one more - and I will be sprinkling weed seeds into your lawn into eternity).

Cannot tell if he is sarcastic or serious....really hope he is trolling.....god let him be trolling.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1962 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 07:04:43
December 23 2013 06:59 GMT
#415
The shoutcaster must treat all players with respect and cannot comment negatively on the player’s overall skill or character


Is this a joke or something? I mean, I get the first half of it, not being disrespectful... But technically, pointing out flaws in someone's play is part of understanding the game! What if the caster thinks player X is at an disadvantage due to nerve issues? This rule should undergo re-wording to be more accurate imho

edit: I know it says "overall", but this is just too vague for me. Being positive is a good thing, but in competition there are winners and losers...
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
December 23 2013 07:01 GMT
#416
On December 23 2013 09:32 shinosai wrote:
Honestly, it is not like there is much chatting to begin with. I think they should not ban chat, because when players chat, it makes things more interesting. The other rules are obviously totally reasonable.

I think each player, before each match should be able to choose whether or not to allow chatting(and inform admins if necessary). If both agree, then it's allowed, otherwise only the glhf/pp/gg. Obviously the banter back and forth must adhere to the other guidelines though.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1962 Posts
December 23 2013 07:21 GMT
#417
On December 23 2013 12:53 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 12:16 Carefoot wrote:
On December 23 2013 04:03 snow2.0 wrote:
Why can drunk players be disqualified?

If they don't lose anyway, doesn't that just show they're better?


Prohibition type laws aren't meant to make any sense. Alcohol consumers, and cannabis consumers like myself should basically boycott the WCS if we can't enjoy ourselves legally with of age friends, family or fans. Ultimately if I have epliepsy and, Blizzard catches me smoking a joint they will turn me into the federalis. I will not be watching, or participating in WCS out of respect for the lack of insight from eSports @ Blizzard (this is looking at you Torch - and this is your 2nd strike with me - get one more - and I will be sprinkling weed seeds into your lawn into eternity).

Cannot tell if he is sarcastic or serious....really hope he is trolling.....god let him be trolling.


Seriously, with players like Nony playing drunk, people on StoG playing drinking games while on stream or Axlav/Axeltoss boozing their way through a cast it's not wrong to adress this issue. If smoking weed isn't okay, alcohol shouldn't be either
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
December 23 2013 08:42 GMT
#418
On December 23 2013 12:53 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 12:16 Carefoot wrote:
On December 23 2013 04:03 snow2.0 wrote:
Why can drunk players be disqualified?

If they don't lose anyway, doesn't that just show they're better?


Prohibition type laws aren't meant to make any sense. Alcohol consumers, and cannabis consumers like myself should basically boycott the WCS if we can't enjoy ourselves legally with of age friends, family or fans. Ultimately if I have epliepsy and, Blizzard catches me smoking a joint they will turn me into the federalis. I will not be watching, or participating in WCS out of respect for the lack of insight from eSports @ Blizzard (this is looking at you Torch - and this is your 2nd strike with me - get one more - and I will be sprinkling weed seeds into your lawn into eternity).

Cannot tell if he is sarcastic or serious....really hope he is trolling.....god let him be trolling.


Well he has a point ofcourse (not the boycot one). I would not be surprised if the WCS handbook regulation cant follow the laws within certain countries where tournaments are held or players come from. There laywer must really have nothing to do that he could waste alot of time and money on this 30 page regulationleaflet.
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
ratty
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand275 Posts
December 23 2013 10:24 GMT
#419
On December 23 2013 05:23 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I doubt that most of those rules are going to be enforced. I know tournament organizers love some drama for more publicity. And if theres a pro that doesnt care about money its naniwa. I wouldnt be suprised if he doesnt change at all because of this


naniwa has left like every team because of money drama. i think he'll be a lil more careful but i also think pushing the boundaries on those rules will create drama and hype around a players o i guess it could go either way.
no. monkeys land on their feet, they're like masturbating cats ~ #~hyvaa~#~
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 23 2013 11:31 GMT
#420
On December 23 2013 15:59 Creager wrote:
Show nested quote +
The shoutcaster must treat all players with respect and cannot comment negatively on the player’s overall skill or character


Is this a joke or something? I mean, I get the first half of it, not being disrespectful... But technically, pointing out flaws in someone's play is part of understanding the game! What if the caster thinks player X is at an disadvantage due to nerve issues? This rule should undergo re-wording to be more accurate imho

edit: I know it says "overall", but this is just too vague for me. Being positive is a good thing, but in competition there are winners and losers...

Oh come on that has NOTHING to do with this rule.
It's obviously to prevent casters shitting on a player the whole cast long which happens to often.
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