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EndlessViolence
Profile Joined January 2011
114 Posts
December 23 2013 10:51 GMT
#141
i start the the game and nothing happens , whats the problem? :XX
CutTheEnemy
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada373 Posts
December 23 2013 10:59 GMT
#142
Alright, I tried playing with 400 dpi. The control is great, but I have to move across my entire mousepad to scroll my screen just a bit. The bigger thing though is the time it takes to box or click something: with the pointer moving so much slower, it takes a lot of effort and time. If I was to try to camera-hotkey inject 3 bases as zerg I think I'd go insane. Going to give it a bit more of a try though.

I heard MKP used 600dpi. That might do the trick if 400 is too low.
Can we help spread the word and create pressure to get Rob Pardo to replace Browder as head of Sc2? Pardo led the team for broodwar, frozen throne, and wow/BC. We need to make this a thing before LotV development starts. Think about it.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
December 23 2013 11:50 GMT
#143
Ok, fine, anything that involves using keyboard and/or mouse improves your sc2. And mouse accuracy is ofc always good for sc2. What i meant was that while the amount you move the cursor over the screen is a typical sc2 distance (as snute made sure by setting resolution), the target size is smaller than anything you will find in sc2. Thus not a movement you'd have to do in sc2, which is why I said it was not relevant. Also it could easily be fixed, by increasing the size just a bit.
sirdodgy
Profile Joined September 2012
United Kingdom20 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 18:26:29
December 23 2013 13:10 GMT
#144
I was rustled that you made a separate scoreboard for 100% accuracy so I played it again. Old boys club shining through I see

http://i.imgur.com/P0mUh12.png

76/76 Does this make me the new foreign hope?

G400, 400dpi
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
December 23 2013 13:17 GMT
#145
On December 23 2013 19:59 CutTheEnemy wrote:
Alright, I tried playing with 400 dpi. The control is great, but I have to move across my entire mousepad to scroll my screen just a bit. The bigger thing though is the time it takes to box or click something: with the pointer moving so much slower, it takes a lot of effort and time. If I was to try to camera-hotkey inject 3 bases as zerg I think I'd go insane. Going to give it a bit more of a try though.

I heard MKP used 600dpi. That might do the trick if 400 is too low.

I'm pretty sure that's an old wives tale. He used to use the mico which has dpi of 400/800/1600. http://www.zowiegear.com/index.php?i=product&p=6

I got a Microsoft basic optical mouse. On 400 dpi and 6/11, it's totally unplayable. My Abyssus on 6/11 and 1800 dpi is perfect. I don't like very high dpi mice either, but moving your hand across your desk everytime you want to make a move isn't realistic.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 13:38:35
December 23 2013 13:34 GMT
#146
The control is great, but I have to move across my entire mousepad to scroll my screen just a bit.


Scrolling the screen by touching the edge is one of the most widely done bad-habits that i can think of for sc2 mechanics; with reliance on camera hotkeys and mousewheel drag scroll (which you can force yourself to develop by playing at 360dpi) you can become a much better and faster player if you try

though i don't argue for 360/450dpi in sc2. I use 630 (again.. really can't switch up damnit) but 800 is a great number and i don't see reason for over 1-1.2k; seems by that point you are beginning to handicap yourself for no gain

on 1920x1080, 1 inch to cross screen = 1920dpi

3 inches to cross screen = 640dpi

My mousepad is 45x40cm, so 3 inches (7.62cm) is basically not moving on it, super low distance compared to fps games
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
QzYSc2
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands281 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 14:34:03
December 23 2013 14:30 GMT
#147
On December 23 2013 15:34 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 09:43 QzYSc2 wrote:
On December 22 2013 04:21 Excludos wrote:
On December 22 2013 02:59 QzYSc2 wrote:
good thing i play protoss so i dont really need this


Thats hilariously wrong. You dont think you need precision when microing your stalkers, placing those forcefields, microing 4 control groups of different units, splitting and targeting banelings, even as simple as warping in a crowded field?


yes, my OPINION is wrong. yours is correct. /sarcasm.
placing forcefields has a way bigger template and easier to do, then the accuracy required to click lets say a baneling.

yes this is only my opinion incase you didn't realize, and no my opinion cant be wrong.

edit: also, who the hell plays protoss with 4 control groups? warping in a crowded field you can just spam click, no accuracy required. feedback on medivac ghost you can spam click, because you can't actually cast it on marines/marauders. snipe on zealot instead of templar or zergling instead of baneling? oh sh-t.


Yes. Your OPINION in this case is wrong /not sarcasm. If you come back as gm or do well in a major tournament you can opinionate as much as you want. Until then you are wrong about this subject.

Look up Dunner Kruger while youre at it if you wonder why this is.


look, 1+1 = 3 is wrong.
i like blue over black = opinion = cant be wrong
stealing = bad = opinion = cant be wrong
i do not suffer from this illusory superiority, do say where i was wrong.

i can have an opinion as much as i want aslong you don't own the site. i thought the forums is for discussing and sharing your opinion?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
December 23 2013 14:44 GMT
#148
You sound like a mad terran player ^.^
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8045 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 16:44:50
December 23 2013 16:43 GMT
#149
On December 23 2013 23:30 QzYSc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 15:34 Excludos wrote:
On December 23 2013 09:43 QzYSc2 wrote:
On December 22 2013 04:21 Excludos wrote:
On December 22 2013 02:59 QzYSc2 wrote:
good thing i play protoss so i dont really need this


Thats hilariously wrong. You dont think you need precision when microing your stalkers, placing those forcefields, microing 4 control groups of different units, splitting and targeting banelings, even as simple as warping in a crowded field?


yes, my OPINION is wrong. yours is correct. /sarcasm.
placing forcefields has a way bigger template and easier to do, then the accuracy required to click lets say a baneling.

yes this is only my opinion incase you didn't realize, and no my opinion cant be wrong.

edit: also, who the hell plays protoss with 4 control groups? warping in a crowded field you can just spam click, no accuracy required. feedback on medivac ghost you can spam click, because you can't actually cast it on marines/marauders. snipe on zealot instead of templar or zergling instead of baneling? oh sh-t.


Yes. Your OPINION in this case is wrong /not sarcasm. If you come back as gm or do well in a major tournament you can opinionate as much as you want. Until then you are wrong about this subject.

Look up Dunner Kruger while youre at it if you wonder why this is.


look, 1+1 = 3 is wrong.
i like blue over black = opinion = cant be wrong
stealing = bad = opinion = cant be wrong
i do not suffer from this illusory superiority, do say where i was wrong.

i can have an opinion as much as i want aslong you don't own the site. i thought the forums is for discussing and sharing your opinion?



"Good thing in formula one you don't really need to know how to change gears". You see how I can say with certainty that "opinion" is absolutely wrong?
You can opinionate all you want about how you don't feel like you need precision as protoss in your league. But the reason you are wrong is because you made a broad statement saying "protoss doesn't need precision", and I can tell you with certainty from experience and everyone I have talked to who are better than me, that if you want to get be good in this game, as in GM or better, you need precision. Thats why you are wrong. If you come back after winning a large tournament, you can make broad statements about this game as much as you like, and whatever I say would be wrong.
You'd be the formula one driver then, and no one not currently doing it could possibly tell what is required. Alas, Dunner Kruger: "The knowledge required to know just how difficult something is, is usually the same knowledge that would make you good in it to begin with".
Faroosh
Profile Joined December 2013
Hungary1 Post
December 23 2013 18:53 GMT
#150
Good job Snute looks really cool

Can someone confirm that they've gotten better results by doing this for a few days? I'm a little sceptical that it actually improves you. I think it's great tool to measure your current mouse precision though.
QzYSc2
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands281 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 04:54:52
December 24 2013 04:36 GMT
#151
On December 24 2013 01:43 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 23:30 QzYSc2 wrote:
On December 23 2013 15:34 Excludos wrote:
On December 23 2013 09:43 QzYSc2 wrote:
On December 22 2013 04:21 Excludos wrote:
On December 22 2013 02:59 QzYSc2 wrote:
good thing i play protoss so i dont really need this


Thats hilariously wrong. You dont think you need precision when microing your stalkers, placing those forcefields, microing 4 control groups of different units, splitting and targeting banelings, even as simple as warping in a crowded field?


yes, my OPINION is wrong. yours is correct. /sarcasm.
placing forcefields has a way bigger template and easier to do, then the accuracy required to click lets say a baneling.

yes this is only my opinion incase you didn't realize, and no my opinion cant be wrong.

edit: also, who the hell plays protoss with 4 control groups? warping in a crowded field you can just spam click, no accuracy required. feedback on medivac ghost you can spam click, because you can't actually cast it on marines/marauders. snipe on zealot instead of templar or zergling instead of baneling? oh sh-t.


Yes. Your OPINION in this case is wrong /not sarcasm. If you come back as gm or do well in a major tournament you can opinionate as much as you want. Until then you are wrong about this subject.

Look up Dunner Kruger while youre at it if you wonder why this is.


look, 1+1 = 3 is wrong.
i like blue over black = opinion = cant be wrong
stealing = bad = opinion = cant be wrong
i do not suffer from this illusory superiority, do say where i was wrong.

i can have an opinion as much as i want aslong you don't own the site. i thought the forums is for discussing and sharing your opinion?



"Good thing in formula one you don't really need to know how to change gears". You see how I can say with certainty that "opinion" is absolutely wrong?
You can opinionate all you want about how you don't feel like you need precision as protoss in your league. But the reason you are wrong is because you made a broad statement saying "protoss doesn't need precision", and I can tell you with certainty from experience and everyone I have talked to who are better than me, that if you want to get be good in this game, as in GM or better, you need precision. Thats why you are wrong. If you come back after winning a large tournament, you can make broad statements about this game as much as you like, and whatever I say would be wrong.
You'd be the formula one driver then, and no one not currently doing it could possibly tell what is required. Alas, Dunner Kruger: "The knowledge required to know just how difficult something is, is usually the same knowledge that would make you good in it to begin with".


how so? i never implied talking about protoss in GM? merely your own assumption. i don't know how you think your limited experience in talking to 'GMs' is a legit argument either. Don't you have an own opinion? if you have, and it coincidently is the same with the opinion of the GMs/pros or whatever you talking with, there is still no need to bring this up, because their opinion is just their opinion.

if you are an amateur basketball player in highschool/college, and ask a professional basketball player (your so called GM), 'do i need a headband in order to play basketball?' -'hell yeah you do'.
will you then go tell everyone who's playing basketball to get a headband and say to anyone who disagrees with it, 'well i asked this pro player and he said you need a headband, exactly what i think too, so you are wrong.'
your opinion is your opinion. just because someone else has your opinion aswell, even a pro doesnt make it a fact or more legit.

also, your formula 1 example. people have different experiences, you know. if he never had to move a finger changing wheels because the car always remained in great shape. can you still tell him with certainty that he is wrong on a subjective statement?

as you said it yourself, it was a broad statement, and you were quick to jump to conclusions that i was talking about protoss in GM aswell. thus, your dunner kruger quote is irrelevant as i was only talking about my own league. i do not need to win a code S to talk about my experiences with protoss in my league right?

opinions can't be wrong, neither facts, thus, they are opinions.
Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
December 24 2013 07:12 GMT
#152
On December 24 2013 13:36 QzYSc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 01:43 Excludos wrote:
On December 23 2013 23:30 QzYSc2 wrote:
On December 23 2013 15:34 Excludos wrote:
On December 23 2013 09:43 QzYSc2 wrote:
On December 22 2013 04:21 Excludos wrote:
On December 22 2013 02:59 QzYSc2 wrote:
good thing i play protoss so i dont really need this


Thats hilariously wrong. You dont think you need precision when microing your stalkers, placing those forcefields, microing 4 control groups of different units, splitting and targeting banelings, even as simple as warping in a crowded field?


yes, my OPINION is wrong. yours is correct. /sarcasm.
placing forcefields has a way bigger template and easier to do, then the accuracy required to click lets say a baneling.

yes this is only my opinion incase you didn't realize, and no my opinion cant be wrong.

edit: also, who the hell plays protoss with 4 control groups? warping in a crowded field you can just spam click, no accuracy required. feedback on medivac ghost you can spam click, because you can't actually cast it on marines/marauders. snipe on zealot instead of templar or zergling instead of baneling? oh sh-t.


Yes. Your OPINION in this case is wrong /not sarcasm. If you come back as gm or do well in a major tournament you can opinionate as much as you want. Until then you are wrong about this subject.

Look up Dunner Kruger while youre at it if you wonder why this is.


look, 1+1 = 3 is wrong.
i like blue over black = opinion = cant be wrong
stealing = bad = opinion = cant be wrong
i do not suffer from this illusory superiority, do say where i was wrong.

i can have an opinion as much as i want aslong you don't own the site. i thought the forums is for discussing and sharing your opinion?



"Good thing in formula one you don't really need to know how to change gears". You see how I can say with certainty that "opinion" is absolutely wrong?
You can opinionate all you want about how you don't feel like you need precision as protoss in your league. But the reason you are wrong is because you made a broad statement saying "protoss doesn't need precision", and I can tell you with certainty from experience and everyone I have talked to who are better than me, that if you want to get be good in this game, as in GM or better, you need precision. Thats why you are wrong. If you come back after winning a large tournament, you can make broad statements about this game as much as you like, and whatever I say would be wrong.
You'd be the formula one driver then, and no one not currently doing it could possibly tell what is required. Alas, Dunner Kruger: "The knowledge required to know just how difficult something is, is usually the same knowledge that would make you good in it to begin with".


how so? i never implied talking about protoss in GM? merely your own assumption. i don't know how you think your limited experience in talking to 'GMs' is a legit argument either. Don't you have an own opinion? if you have, and it coincidently is the same with the opinion of the GMs/pros or whatever you talking with, there is still no need to bring this up, because their opinion is just their opinion.

if you are an amateur basketball player in highschool/college, and ask a professional basketball player (your so called GM), 'do i need a headband in order to play basketball?' -'hell yeah you do'.
will you then go tell everyone who's playing basketball to get a headband and say to anyone who disagrees with it, 'well i asked this pro player and he said you need a headband, exactly what i think too, so you are wrong.'
your opinion is your opinion. just because someone else has your opinion aswell, even a pro doesnt make it a fact or more legit.

also, your formula 1 example. people have different experiences, you know. if he never had to move a finger changing wheels because the car always remained in great shape. can you still tell him with certainty that he is wrong on a subjective statement?

as you said it yourself, it was a broad statement, and you were quick to jump to conclusions that i was talking about protoss in GM aswell. thus, your dunner kruger quote is irrelevant as i was only talking about my own league. i do not need to win a code S to talk about my experiences with protoss in my league right?

opinions can't be wrong, neither facts, thus, they are opinions.

you can send DMs to each other and battle it out there, for the purpose of this thread this is just noise <-_-> thx
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DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 09:06:50
December 24 2013 09:06 GMT
#153
how??? my mouse jumps like 9 pixels whenever i move it making it hard to precisely put it on T_T
40/58
Edit: my pointer not my mouse xDDD
When cats speak, mice listen.
stickyhands
Profile Joined May 2011
187 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 12:27:32
December 24 2013 12:26 GMT
#154
On December 24 2013 18:06 DinosaurPoop wrote:
how??? my mouse jumps like 9 pixels whenever i move it making it hard to precisely put it on T_T
40/58
Edit: my pointer not my mouse xDDD

Most of the time pixel skipping is due to a not 6/11 windows setting, you can use the Mouse Mouvement Recorder tool to check your pixel skipping.
edit: I might be wrong, maybe you just use a high sensitivity
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Grixx
Profile Joined March 2013
Belgium26 Posts
December 24 2013 17:43 GMT
#155
I clicked 60 times right out of 66!

Protoss gold player here
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
December 25 2013 03:16 GMT
#156
On December 24 2013 21:26 stickyhands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 18:06 DinosaurPoop wrote:
how??? my mouse jumps like 9 pixels whenever i move it making it hard to precisely put it on T_T
40/58
Edit: my pointer not my mouse xDDD

Most of the time pixel skipping is due to a not 6/11 windows setting, you can use the Mouse Mouvement Recorder tool to check your pixel skipping.
edit: I might be wrong, maybe you just use a high sensitivity


Increasing DPI/CPI increases sensitivity while still allowing you to select every individual pixel, at 6/11 without postive/negative accel or other sensor/os flaws it should work fine, unless sens is just so crazy high that it's impossible to select a smaller window
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Scrubby-onE
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada42 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-26 13:22:20
December 26 2013 13:22 GMT
#157
http://i.imgur.com/LthLJEH.png

Fun game :D 77/77!
0mg_t1red
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation104 Posts
December 27 2013 09:33 GMT
#158
lol Games Factory, was playing with it around like 8-10 yrs ago. even made few games, thats actually cool that it is possible to run these games on modern OS's gj! though i still play 1280x1024 D:
PerryHooter
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden268 Posts
December 29 2013 17:07 GMT
#159
+ Show Spoiler +
The baneling
"The fundamental cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt"
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
December 30 2013 05:48 GMT
#160
Most I got was 72/77
I got a 100% with 66/66
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
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