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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-26 20:32:04
September 26 2014 20:31 GMT
#681
MMA making the top 16 at DH means that he's basically set for Blizzcon short of some strange turn of events right?
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17683 Posts
September 26 2014 20:33 GMT
#682
On September 27 2014 05:31 Bagration wrote:
MMA making the top 16 at DH means that he's basically set for Blizzcon short of some strange turn of events right?

yep that puts him at ~ 92.21 % if he loses in ro16, right now he's at ~ 96.31 % after winning his group
and Snute just lost so he's down to ~ 10.48 %!
"Expert" mods4ever.com
asongdotnet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1060 Posts
September 26 2014 20:35 GMT
#683
all the folks needing to pick up points at DH are falling by the wayside...
William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
September 26 2014 20:39 GMT
#684
ok wait incontrol said with snute losing this would be the first Blizzcon without a foreigner, aren't there others out there that can still get in even if JD MMA and Inno win?
ok
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17683 Posts
September 26 2014 20:44 GMT
#685
On September 27 2014 05:39 William paradise wrote:
ok wait incontrol said with snute losing this would be the first Blizzcon without a foreigner, aren't there others out there that can still get in even if JD MMA and Inno win?

yea there's certainly still a possibility of a foreigner at Blizzcon
http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=player_set&countries=nonkorean
(this is not yet updated with Snute's loss yet, will be updated when the round of 16 bracket is set)

Snute actually still has a chance even after losing too
~ 44.67 % of the time
Snute loses their next match in DreamHack Stockholm ro32
This would change Snute's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 41.51 % to ~ 10.48 %

~ 19.01 % of the time
Snute loses their next match in DreamHack Stockholm ro32 and
Solar wins their next match in DreamHack Stockholm ro32 and
San wins their next match in WCS EU S3 Premier ro8
This would change Snute's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 41.51 % to ~ 14.01 %

~ 19.01 % of the time
Snute loses their next match in DreamHack Stockholm ro32 and
Bunny loses their next match in WCS EU S3 Premier ro8 and
Solar wins their next match in DreamHack Stockholm ro32
This would change Snute's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 41.51 % to ~ 14.01 %

~ 20.21 % of the time
Snute loses their next match in DreamHack Stockholm ro32 and
San wins their next match in WCS EU S3 Premier ro8
This would change Snute's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 41.51 % to ~ 14.01 %

~ 20.21 % of the time
Snute loses their next match in DreamHack Stockholm ro32 and
Bunny loses their next match in WCS EU S3 Premier ro8
This would change Snute's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 41.51 % to ~ 14.01 %
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asongdotnet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1060 Posts
September 26 2014 20:47 GMT
#686
On September 27 2014 05:39 William paradise wrote:
ok wait incontrol said with snute losing this would be the first Blizzcon without a foreigner, aren't there others out there that can still get in even if JD MMA and Inno win?


snute has to basically pray that none of the pigbaby/bunny/hero/inno/forgg/scar wins their wcs regions
SNSeigifried
Profile Joined April 2013
United States1640 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-26 20:52:14
September 26 2014 20:51 GMT
#687
Snute needs San/MC/MMA to win WCS EU
soO to win GSL
Bomber/HyuN/Polt to win WCS NA
He also needs bunny not to make past round of 16 at dreamhack or round of 8 wcs eu.
#LivingOnTheEdge
Icebound Esports
absinthfee
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany718 Posts
September 26 2014 21:29 GMT
#688
On September 27 2014 05:51 SNSeigifried wrote:
Snute needs San/MC/MMA to win WCS EU
soO to win GSL
Bomber/HyuN/Polt to win WCS NA
He also needs bunny not to make past round of 16 at dreamhack or round of 8 wcs eu.
#LivingOnTheEdge


But if Bunny makes it in at least we still have a foreigner.
amam
Profile Joined September 2014
5 Posts
September 26 2014 21:51 GMT
#689
On September 27 2014 06:29 absinthfee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 05:51 SNSeigifried wrote:
Snute needs San/MC/MMA to win WCS EU
soO to win GSL
Bomber/HyuN/Polt to win WCS NA
He also needs bunny not to make past round of 16 at dreamhack or round of 8 wcs eu.
#LivingOnTheEdge


But if Bunny makes it in at least we still have a foreigner.


Bunny possibilities are actually either

1) Win WCS EU

2) Get 2nd at WCS EU and TOP4 at DH Stockholm

3) Get Semi Final at WCS EU and Win DH Stockholm

So actually not that likely. Best shot seems option 2 for me.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17683 Posts
September 26 2014 21:58 GMT
#690
just a quick update, will do a better one when I get home...

Biggest winners and losers so far this tournament (and Innovation vs Cure)
Biggest Winners
kr INnoVation went up by ~ 20.81 %, going from ~ 31.75 % to ~ 52.56 %
kr Jaedong went up by ~ 12.74 %, going from ~ 59.7 % to ~ 72.44 %
kr MMA went up by ~ 7.21 %, going from ~ 87.23 % to ~ 94.44 %
kr herO went up by ~ 2.99 %, going from ~ 95.1 % to ~ 98.09 %
kr Life went up by ~ 2.69 %, going from ~ 96.69 % to ~ 99.39 %
kr soO went up by ~ 1.51 %, going from ~ 98.49 % to ~ 100 %
kr ForGG went up by ~ 1.34 %, going from ~ 19.74 % to ~ 21.08 %
dk Bunny went up by ~ 0.81 %, going from ~ 11.37 % to ~ 12.18 %
kr Classic went up by ~ 0.52 %, going from ~ 99.48 % to ~ 100 %
ca Scarlett went up by ~ 0.3 %, going from ~ 17.04 % to ~ 17.34 %

soO is now ~ 100 %!

Biggest Losers
no Snute went down by ~ 33.86 %, going from ~ 44.88 % to ~ 11.02 %
kr YoDa went down by ~ 7.98 %, going from ~ 9.73 % to ~ 1.75 %
kr Heart went down by ~ 2.69 %, going from ~ 4.62 % to ~ 1.92 %
kr Golden went down by ~ 2.49 %, going from ~ 6.75 % to ~ 4.26 %
kr HerO went down by ~ 1.54 %, going from ~ 7.18 % to ~ 5.64 %
ca HuK went down by ~ 1.24 %, going from ~ 2.11 % to ~ 0.87 %
kr Pigbaby went down by ~ 1.08 %, going from ~ 8.1 % to ~ 7.02 %

Starts in
+ Show Spoiler [jjakji, Patience in DreamHack Stockholm] +
DreamHack Stockholm
- kr jjakji is at ~ 100 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 52.6 % of the time kr jjakji wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %.
~ 47.4 % of the time kr jjakji loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 100 %.
-------------------------------------------------
- kr Patience is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 47.4 % of the time kr Patience wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %.
~ 52.6 % of the time kr Patience loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.


Starts in
kr soO has the #2 headband!
This is a match for the #2 headband!
+ Show Spoiler [soO, Ryung in DreamHack Stockholm] +
DreamHack Stockholm
- kr soO is at ~ 100 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 59.72 % of the time kr soO wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %.
~ 40.28 % of the time kr soO loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 100 %.
-------------------------------------------------
- kr Ryung is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 40.28 % of the time kr Ryung wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %.
~ 59.72 % of the time kr Ryung loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.


Starts in
+ Show Spoiler [ForGG, Polt in DreamHack Stockholm] +
DreamHack Stockholm
- kr ForGG is at ~ 21.06 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 57.7 % of the time kr ForGG wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 22.45 %.
~ 42.3 % of the time kr ForGG loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 19.17 %.
-------------------------------------------------
- kr Polt is at ~ 100 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 42.3 % of the time kr Polt wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %.
~ 57.7 % of the time kr Polt loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 100 %.


Starts in
This match is important for kr MMA!
+ Show Spoiler [MMA, MaNa in DreamHack Stockholm] +
DreamHack Stockholm
- kr MMA is at ~ 94.44 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 57.79 % of the time kr MMA wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %.
~ 42.21 % of the time kr MMA loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 86.83 %.
-------------------------------------------------
- pl MaNa is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 42.21 % of the time pl MaNa wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %.
~ 57.79 % of the time pl MaNa loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.


Starts in
+ Show Spoiler [herO, Life in DreamHack Stockholm] +
DreamHack Stockholm
- kr herO is at ~ 98.09 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 56.09 % of the time kr herO wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %.
~ 43.91 % of the time kr herO loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 95.66 %.
-------------------------------------------------
- kr Life is at ~ 99.39 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 43.91 % of the time kr Life wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %.
~ 56.09 % of the time kr Life loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 98.91 %.


Starts in
+ Show Spoiler [Sacsri, TRUE in DreamHack Stockholm] +
DreamHack Stockholm
- kr Sacsri is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 54.77 % of the time kr Sacsri wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %.
~ 45.23 % of the time kr Sacsri loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.
-------------------------------------------------
- kr TRUE is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 45.23 % of the time kr TRUE wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %.
~ 54.77 % of the time kr TRUE loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.


Starts in
This match is important for kr Jaedong!
+ Show Spoiler [Classic, Jaedong in DreamHack Stockholm] +
DreamHack Stockholm
- kr Classic is at ~ 100 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 55.53 % of the time kr Classic wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %.
~ 44.47 % of the time kr Classic loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 100 %.
-------------------------------------------------
- kr Jaedong is at ~ 72.43 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 44.47 % of the time kr Jaedong wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 85.83 %.
~ 55.53 % of the time kr Jaedong loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 61.7 %.


Starts in
+ Show Spoiler [Bunny, Solar in DreamHack Stockholm] +
DreamHack Stockholm
- dk Bunny is at ~ 12.2 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 52.55 % of the time dk Bunny wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 14.1 %.
~ 47.45 % of the time dk Bunny loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 10.1 %.
-------------------------------------------------
- kr Solar is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014
~ 47.45 % of the time kr Solar wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %.
~ 52.55 % of the time kr Solar loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.


Winning Chances
kr herO has a ~ 9.64 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 98.09 % to ~ 100 %
kr ForGG has a ~ 9.1 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 21.06 % to ~ 36.99 %
kr jjakji has a ~ 8.21 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 %
kr Sacsri has a ~ 7.54 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
kr soO has a ~ 7.32 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 %
dk Bunny has a ~ 7.21 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 12.2 % to ~ 30.41 %
kr Life has a ~ 6.94 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 99.39 % to ~ 100 %
kr MMA has a ~ 6.75 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 94.44 % to ~ 100 %
kr Polt has a ~ 6.49 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 %
kr Solar has a ~ 6.43 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
kr Classic has a ~ 6.26 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 %
kr Patience has a ~ 6.15 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
kr Jaedong has a ~ 3.88 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 72.43 % to ~ 100 %
kr TRUE has a ~ 3.6 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
kr Ryung has a ~ 2.25 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
pl MaNa has a ~ 2.21 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %

Winning Gains
kr Jaedong would gain ~ 27.57 % if they win, with a ~ 3.88 % chance to win, going from ~ 72.43 % to ~ 100 %
dk Bunny would gain ~ 18.21 % if they win, with a ~ 7.21 % chance to win, going from ~ 12.2 % to ~ 30.41 %
kr ForGG would gain ~ 15.93 % if they win, with a ~ 9.1 % chance to win, going from ~ 21.06 % to ~ 36.99 %
kr MMA would gain ~ 5.56 % if they win, with a ~ 6.75 % chance to win, going from ~ 94.44 % to ~ 100 %
kr herO would gain ~ 1.91 % if they win, with a ~ 9.64 % chance to win, going from ~ 98.09 % to ~ 100 %
kr Life would gain ~ 0.61 % if they win, with a ~ 6.94 % chance to win, going from ~ 99.39 % to ~ 100 %
kr jjakji would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 8.21 % chance to win, going from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 %
kr Sacsri would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 7.54 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
kr soO would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 7.32 % chance to win, going from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 %
kr Polt would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 6.49 % chance to win, going from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 %
kr Solar would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 6.43 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
kr Classic would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 6.26 % chance to win, going from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 %
kr Patience would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 6.15 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
kr TRUE would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 3.6 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
kr Ryung would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 2.25 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
pl MaNa would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 2.21 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 26 2014 21:59 GMT
#691
soO at 100%? Good, now he can lose GSL finals safely.
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Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-26 22:04:32
September 26 2014 22:02 GMT
#692
Or Scarlett winning WCS AM right? Bunny prolly has a better chance, since he can lose WCS EU final.
edit: oh wait aligulac gives better chance for Scarlett :o
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
September 26 2014 22:10 GMT
#693
On September 27 2014 06:59 The_Templar wrote:
soO at 100%? Good, now he can lose GSL finals safely.


He's gonna win it all
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 26 2014 22:13 GMT
#694
On September 27 2014 07:10 AWalker9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 06:59 The_Templar wrote:
soO at 100%? Good, now he can lose GSL finals safely.


He's gonna win it all

An innovative thought
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 26 2014 22:13 GMT
#695
On September 27 2014 07:13 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 07:10 AWalker9 wrote:
On September 27 2014 06:59 The_Templar wrote:
soO at 100%? Good, now he can lose GSL finals safely.


He's gonna win it all

An innovative thought


It's soO not gonna happen though :/
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
September 26 2014 22:30 GMT
#696
So we're down to Pigbaby, Bunny and ForGG as the only players who can overtake any of the current top 16 without winning their respective WCS region.
amam
Profile Joined September 2014
5 Posts
September 26 2014 22:34 GMT
#697
Yeah. Bunny and ForGG need to make Top4 tomorrow though.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17683 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 00:02:55
September 27 2014 00:01 GMT
#698
Sorry about the delay guys, I was just making an improvement to remove duplicate events such as Player A wins their next match (against Player B), and then also showing Player B loses their next match (against Player A). For example we can look at Huk.

Before, using the event filters "single positive notor", Huk had events like this
+ Show Spoiler [examples] +
~ 40.33 % of the time
HuK wins their next match in WCS AM S3 Premier ro8
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 2.47 %

~ 59.67 % of the time
HuK loses their next match in WCS AM S3 Premier ro8
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 0 %

~ 40.33 % of the time
HyuN loses their next match in WCS AM S3 Premier ro8
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 2.47 %

~ 59.67 % of the time
HyuN wins their next match in WCS AM S3 Premier ro8
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 0 %


and events like this
+ Show Spoiler [More Examples] +

~ 43.57 % of the time
soO wins their next match in GSL S3 Code S ro2
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 2.29 %

~ 43.57 % of the time
INnoVation loses their next match in GSL S3 Code S ro2
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 2.29 %

~ 56.43 % of the time
INnoVation wins their next match in GSL S3 Code S ro2
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 0 %

~ 56.43 % of the time
soO loses their next match in GSL S3 Code S ro2
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 0 %


But now it's fixed to favor the current player like Huk winning and Huk losing, so it removes the events for Hyun winning and Hyun losing against Huk, and then after that it favors the winning event so it has soO winning and Innovation winning but it ditches the events for them losing. This works just by finding events that have the same exact number of occurances in the initial block (the first 500,000 samples) and also result in the exact same Blizzcon chances for that player, and then it picks the one with the highest score.

This should make it much easier to read especially with the grouped events. I hope you like the change! Will be writing a bit to preview Dreamhack Stockholm Day 2 soon.
"Expert" mods4ever.com
William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
September 27 2014 00:08 GMT
#699
On September 27 2014 09:01 Die4Ever wrote:
Sorry about the delay guys, I was just making an improvement to remove duplicate events such as Player A wins their next match (against Player B), and then also showing Player B loses their next match (against Player A). For example we can look at Huk.

Before, using the event filters "single positive notor", Huk had events like this
+ Show Spoiler [examples] +
~ 40.33 % of the time
HuK wins their next match in WCS AM S3 Premier ro8
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 2.47 %

~ 59.67 % of the time
HuK loses their next match in WCS AM S3 Premier ro8
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 0 %

~ 40.33 % of the time
HyuN loses their next match in WCS AM S3 Premier ro8
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 2.47 %

~ 59.67 % of the time
HyuN wins their next match in WCS AM S3 Premier ro8
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 0 %


and events like this
+ Show Spoiler [More Examples] +

~ 43.57 % of the time
soO wins their next match in GSL S3 Code S ro2
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 2.29 %

~ 43.57 % of the time
INnoVation loses their next match in GSL S3 Code S ro2
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 2.29 %

~ 56.43 % of the time
INnoVation wins their next match in GSL S3 Code S ro2
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 0 %

~ 56.43 % of the time
soO loses their next match in GSL S3 Code S ro2
This would change HuK's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 0.99 % to ~ 0 %


But now it's fixed to favor the current player like Huk winning and Huk losing, so it removes the events for Hyun winning and Hyun losing against Huk, and then after that it favors the winning event so it has soO winning and Innovation winning but it ditches the events for them losing. This works just by finding events that have the same exact number of occurances in the initial block (the first 500,000 samples) and also result in the exact same Blizzcon chances for that player, and then it picks the one with the highest score.

This should make it much easier to read especially with the grouped events. I hope you like the change! Will be writing a bit to preview Dreamhack Stockholm Day 2 soon.

Can i just say your awesome. Really great how much time you put into this and how nice and easy it is to understand the standings.
ok
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 00:10:52
September 27 2014 00:09 GMT
#700
Player A wins their next match (against Player B), and then also showing Player B loses their next match (against Player A).

OMG, that was so annoying. Thanks for fixing that >.>

There was also "HuK wins WCS America" and "HuK wins their next match in RO8, Heart finishes 4th place, Bomber finishes second place" type stuff. Glad to see this is fixed.
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