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Silly silly silly, at this point I believe no matter what Blizzard tries to do there will just be so many wrongs. WCS KR having the same prize distribution as others will not help the strongest most competitive region, the other regions are full of non-serious "pros" and get as much in prize pool, in 2013 we saw the Koreans all move to compete in those regions to grab those $$$. Now those who are still there will need to fight for their survival, if they fall out that could be it for their careers since requalifying at KR will be super hard.
IMO they should just revert back to the 2012 system with improvements/tweaks, foreigners' fans can just watch the foreigners play until they get roflstomped by Koreans in some finals. Make WCS a separate tournament and clean wipe from previous rankings (or allow those currently in AM/EU to be seeded into it to cut their losses), GSL can continue as it is, perhaps with the top players seeded into WCS finals and make it so that KR has 2 prize pots rather than just 1. (KR deserves more prizepool than the other regions, they are simply full of far superior players). Wanting to develop AM and EU talents will need to start at some kind of grassroots development rather than silly tournament rule manipulations. Encouraging development of pro teams by introducing pro-league/gstl ongoing long term team tournaments will build that.
Heed my words, 2015 WCS will have changes again since they'll find new problems yet again, falling popularity etc. Their goal of wanting to make it so that there is one ultimate champion and one major tournament/storyline is just silly. Players' form changes over time and so do their skill level, rewarding players throughout various tournaments in a year fairly evenly would provide the best, fairest and consistent perpetual entertainment to fans. I really enjoyed 2011 and 2012 more than 2013. Forget about what Valve or Riot is doing with big showpiece tournament, SC2 needs to be different. Why must Blizzard act like a mindless sheep???
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On November 23 2013 01:29 Khai wrote:
Silly silly silly, at this point I believe no matter what Blizzard tries to do there will just be so many wrongs. WCS KR having the same prize distribution as others will not help the strongest most competitive region, the other regions are full of non-serious "pros" and get as much in prize pool, in 2013 we saw the Koreans all move to compete in those regions to grab those $$$. Now those who are still there will need to fight for their survival, if they fall out that could be it for their careers since requalifying at KR will be super hard.
IMO they should just revert back to the 2012 system with improvements/tweaks, foreigners' fans can just watch the foreigners play until they get roflstomped by Koreans in some finals. Make WCS a separate tournament and clean wipe from previous rankings (or allow those currently in AM/EU to be seeded into it to cut their losses), GSL can continue as it is, perhaps with the top players seeded into WCS finals and make it so that KR has 2 prize pots rather than just 1. (KR deserves more prizepool than the other regions, they are simply full of far superior players). Wanting to develop AM and EU talents will need to start at some kind of grassroots development rather than silly tournament rule manipulations. Encouraging development of pro teams by introducing pro-league/gstl ongoing long term team tournaments will build that.
Heed my words, 2015 WCS will have changes again since they'll find new problems yet again, falling popularity etc. Their goal of wanting to make it so that there is one ultimate champion and one major tournament/storyline is just silly. Players' form changes over time and so do their skill level, rewarding players throughout various tournaments in a year fairly evenly would provide the best, fairest and consistent perpetual entertainment to fans. I really enjoyed 2011 and 2012 more than 2013. Forget about what Valve or Riot is doing with big showpiece tournament, SC2 needs to be different. Why must Blizzard act like a mindless sheep???
So instead of following Valve and Riot, they should follow your opinion...
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People will always complain.
Awesome changes, tho
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On November 21 2013 09:15 triforks wrote:
nice the way higher prize money for korea should encourage koreans to go back there in hopes of more cash rather than stealing the easy money in am/eu when it was the same.
um... no, not at all. prize is same or worse for everyone but 1st place. Most players are likely to finish worse in Korea, and get even less money. Doesn't make sense for almost everyone playing outside Korea.
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These changes are awesome, I'm glad they listened. Really looking forward to WCS 2014!
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On November 23 2013 01:56 HsDLTitich wrote:
People will always complain.
Awesome changes, tho
It's good to have complaints...so long as their well-founded arguments, not just pointless bitching about this and that with no critical thinking applied to what people are saying. Opinions are the lowest form of knowledge.
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On November 23 2013 04:48 wUndertUnge wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:56 HsDLTitich wrote:
People will always complain.
Awesome changes, tho It's good to have complaints...so long as their well-founded arguments, not just pointless bitching about this and that with no critical thinking applied to what people are saying. Opinions are the lowest form of knowledge.
I agree with this, but it's obvious that Blizzard can't please everyone. btw it's awesome that they actually listened to the community, I just don't understand some hate and the pessimistic posts in here
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On November 23 2013 04:52 HsDLTitich wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 04:48 wUndertUnge wrote:On November 23 2013 01:56 HsDLTitich wrote:
People will always complain.
Awesome changes, tho It's good to have complaints...so long as their well-founded arguments, not just pointless bitching about this and that with no critical thinking applied to what people are saying. Opinions are the lowest form of knowledge. I agree with this, but it's obvious that Blizzard can't please everyone. btw it's awesome that they actually listened to the community, I just don't understand some hate and the pessimistic posts in here
You can't? It's called the idiot mob/the cowardice of the internet. And yes, you're right, you can't please everyone. Thankfully, these baseless, hateful, and empty pessimistic posts really are the minority. They just yell the loudest.
There's a saying from Eastern Europe, the barrel with the fewest beans make the most noise...barrel being a person's brain.
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On November 23 2013 04:57 wUndertUnge wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 04:52 HsDLTitich wrote:On November 23 2013 04:48 wUndertUnge wrote:On November 23 2013 01:56 HsDLTitich wrote:
People will always complain.
Awesome changes, tho It's good to have complaints...so long as their well-founded arguments, not just pointless bitching about this and that with no critical thinking applied to what people are saying. Opinions are the lowest form of knowledge. I agree with this, but it's obvious that Blizzard can't please everyone. btw it's awesome that they actually listened to the community, I just don't understand some hate and the pessimistic posts in here You can't? It's called the idiot mob/the cowardice of the internet. And yes, you're right, you can't please everyone. Thankfully, these baseless, hateful, and empty pessimistic posts really are the minority. They just yell the loudest. There's a saying from Eastern Europe, the barrel with the fewest beans make the most noise...barrel being a person's brain.
"The people that don't play the game, have the loudest voice"
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Alright, I was participating in my own toxic mindset, but it is frustrating. If people want an actual informed, reasonable, and fair perspective that takes both pros and cons into account for WCS 2014, check out Total Biscuit's podcast:
Totaly Biscuit's Thoughts on WCS 2014
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On November 23 2013 04:57 wUndertUnge wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 04:52 HsDLTitich wrote:On November 23 2013 04:48 wUndertUnge wrote:On November 23 2013 01:56 HsDLTitich wrote:
People will always complain.
Awesome changes, tho It's good to have complaints...so long as their well-founded arguments, not just pointless bitching about this and that with no critical thinking applied to what people are saying. Opinions are the lowest form of knowledge. I agree with this, but it's obvious that Blizzard can't please everyone. btw it's awesome that they actually listened to the community, I just don't understand some hate and the pessimistic posts in here You can't? It's called the idiot mob/the cowardice of the internet. And yes, you're right, you can't please everyone. Thankfully, these baseless, hateful, and empty pessimistic posts really are the minority. They just yell the loudest. There's a saying from Eastern Europe, the barrel with the fewest beans make the most noise...barrel being a person's brain.
Most of the criticisms here are 100% valid and shared amongst most ppl in the scene
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On November 23 2013 06:10 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 04:57 wUndertUnge wrote:On November 23 2013 04:52 HsDLTitich wrote:On November 23 2013 04:48 wUndertUnge wrote:On November 23 2013 01:56 HsDLTitich wrote:
People will always complain.
Awesome changes, tho It's good to have complaints...so long as their well-founded arguments, not just pointless bitching about this and that with no critical thinking applied to what people are saying. Opinions are the lowest form of knowledge. I agree with this, but it's obvious that Blizzard can't please everyone. btw it's awesome that they actually listened to the community, I just don't understand some hate and the pessimistic posts in here You can't? It's called the idiot mob/the cowardice of the internet. And yes, you're right, you can't please everyone. Thankfully, these baseless, hateful, and empty pessimistic posts really are the minority. They just yell the loudest. There's a saying from Eastern Europe, the barrel with the fewest beans make the most noise...barrel being a person's brain. Most of the criticisms here are 100% valid and shared amongst most ppl in the scene
And there are asshole negative people who hide behind those valid arguments to spew their endless hate and stupid rage. Not all complainers are rational, even if they claim to be.
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I just finished listening to TB's thought on the matter. It basically reflected most of what I felt would happen, I'm glad he feels its an overall improvement. He does have valid concerns regarding WCS NA and the Korea region, hopefully though GOM and especially OGN step up the challenge.
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Looking forward to 2014 WCS, very good changes IMHO.
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The scene is already way smaller (not dying, luckily) thanks to this year's WCS format, though.
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Overall this looks like some amazing changes for the Starcraft community. Kudos to Blizzard for making this happen and listening to the community.
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When do they have to start laddering in the other regions? Next ladder season?
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On November 23 2013 01:00 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:48 sCnInfinity wrote:So Polt will win every Season of WCS AM  Yeah it's kinda sad we can already say that Polt and Jaedong will be at Blizzcon.
and mma.
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