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Netherlands1542 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On November 07 2013 19:06 Heartland wrote: Squat, Artosis has a very noticable accent. You're just thinking of it as not an accent because it's so common in various media outlets to speak east coast US english. It's clearly enunciated and doesn't have exaggerated inflections or odd syllables, that's all I care about. East coast american is the easiest accent to listen to generally, I find. I wish we'd get a guy with a super hardcore indian accent, the shitstorm would be of epic proportions. There is no such thing as a "standard English accent". Artosis has a very distinct American accent, so does Tasteless, Husky, inControl and every other caster from the US. Kaelaris, Redeye and Apollo are very British. I may have been a bit opaque, I meant accents without heavy use of colloquialisms, clear pronunciation and no strange syllables or emphasis. I don't care personally, so I'm not too invested in the technical aspect. I just want people who can speak english and understand stracraft, a commodity that seems to be in short supply. | ||
JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On November 07 2013 19:38 Squat wrote: It's clearly enunciated and doesn't have exaggerated inflections or odd syllables, that's all I care about. East coast american is the easiest accent to listen to generally, I find. I wish we'd get a guy with a super hardcore indian accent, the shitstorm would be of epic proportions. I may have been a bit opaque, I meant accents without heavy use of colloquialisms, clear pronunciation and no strange syllables or emphasis. I don't care personally, so I'm not too invested in the technical aspect. I just want people who can speak english and understand stracraft, a commodity that seems to be in short supply. Back in the days, Klazart had an indian accent, or so I always thought. But nobody really minded though, because even if he had a perfect unaccented English, we wouldn't have been able to understand everything anyways because of how fast he talked. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3805 Posts
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diwurn
Norway6 Posts
I, for one, am not a fan of American accents. I think it sounds dull and generic. But at the end of the day, it's not the accent that matters, it's how well you speak the language. If a caster can speak flawless English and make themselves understood without needing to stop every other second to translate stuff in their head, then it really doesn't matter if they have an accent or not. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On November 07 2013 19:45 JustPassingBy wrote: Back in the days, Klazart had an indian accent, or so I always thought. But nobody really minded though, because even if he had a perfect unaccented English, we wouldn't have been able to understand everything anyways because of how fast he talked. I always pictured him wearing one of those baseball caps with a fan/propeller thingy on it, and the faster he'd talk the faster it would spin. It never failed to make me chuckle. | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
On November 07 2013 19:47 Grovbolle wrote: The list of most loved casters is laughable. By twitter followers, what casting gigs they have, their (supposed) income and general presence in the scene I think the list is valid if one would to do an objective take on it. | ||
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pmp10
3320 Posts
This is a small community and recognized casters are very well entrenched by the virtue of their fan-bases. Objective assessments and appealing to possible new fans is of secondary importance compared to pleasing existing audience. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On November 07 2013 19:53 Facultyadjutant wrote: By twitter followers, what casting gigs they have, their (supposed) income and general presence in the scene I think the list is valid if one would to do an objective take on it. Almost every one of them is not a pure SC2 caster, Husky and TB are professional let's players who also happen to cast starcraft on the side. If anything, it was other games that drew followers to their channels and then they may have watched a few SC2 videos without thinking much about it. Equating subscribers or followers of these channels and casters to SC2 fans is simply incorrect. The comparison is flawed. If we are to compare with any accuracy, we have to look at people who exclusively cast SC2. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
I couldn't care less if a caster have a accent if I can hear him clearly. (I had problem with Khaldor when he started but he have improved massively) The biggest thing is that the caster should talk with passion and interest, not the fake hype we often now get. You should try to improve, listen to Artosis and Tasteless 2years ago, do the same with Apollo and listen again at a recent event. (or even at Blizzcon) The result is pretty damn impressive and mind boggling. I too watch Dota2 a lot but theres some casters I simply can't listen to and it's most often because of too much yelling or they are utterly wrong 100% of the times and not even entertaining by being so. Honestly I hope no aspiring caster takes it seriously to completely remove their accent instead of speaking clearly and making RIGHT and good points in a cast. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
On November 07 2013 19:53 Facultyadjutant wrote: By twitter followers, what casting gigs they have, their (supposed) income and general presence in the scene I think the list is valid if one would to do an objective take on it. Heres a survey that was made about a year ago, I hope we'll get one this year as well. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/14egmb/results_of_the_sc2_playercaster_poll/ | ||
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Nopeudon
172 Posts
Anyway my take on the whole accents thing is that the caster's accent shouldn't interfere with his clarity and how easily he's able to make himself understood to the audience. As a result I think it greatly differs depending on the listener. For example the thread OP *may* be American and being used to listening to such accents, prefer American casters. On the other hand, a hypothetical Brit with horrible English may not be able to understand such a caster. It all depends on the audience, IMO. I myself am not used to Khaldor's accent and as such prefer listening to Wolf over Khaldor, just based on accents alone. While I agree pitch is important, it's already been mentioned that it's one aspect casters have no way of changing. People above have made the argument that because it's not something they have control over, it's not fair to judge based on this criteria. However, I personally do not think this should be our way of thinking, we agree that only intelligent people should be world leaders, but since people have no control over their intelligence/oratorical skills for presidential debates, does that mean we don't cast our votes based on these criteria? No. A good pitch makes a good caster and since we want a good caster, we should push for people with good pitches. Ultimately, other factors are equally important. TobiWan's energy and enthusiasm more than makes up for what shortcomings he may have, and he is thus able to provide great entertainment. OP has brought up a very important idea, we should pay attention to the casters more. | ||
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exog
Norway279 Posts
This is darvinism + exceptions. Personally I can't stand Apollos accent, i have nothing against him as a person and i recognize he is a popular caster. Thinking that accent/voice is irrelevant for people who live by speaking in a microphone is unintelligent and wrong. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
And people who dislike Apollos just have really bad taste. I personally find his voice and accent to be soothing and slightly intoxicating. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On November 07 2013 21:01 Plansix wrote: Lol, because people disagree with you, you must be on the right track. That is some Internet forum logic right there. And people who dislike Apollos just have really bad taste. I personally find his voice and accent to be soothing and slightly intoxicating. I always chuckle heartily whenever someone tells me I'm an idiot for thinking the world is flat, the sheer amount of derision I encounter tells me that I am most certainly in the right. Flawless reasoning. I think Apollo and Artosis are the best non-pro player casters by far, and Grubby and Idra the best pro player casters. And none of them have the same accent and delivery. I must be wrong somehow. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
Dota2 casters seem to have understood that simply showing the game just isn't enough if you want to be really good. The viewer wants to be entertained throughout the entire cast, not just the game itself. Accents, tone of voice, camera angles? I don't think we're at a point where this really matters. edit: I wanna clarify that I distinctly remember a Dreamhack tournament that had two extra analysts going over the games, interviewing the winner etc. which was a very good example of how I think major tournaments should be covered. This might even be Dreamhack standard, I don't know. But I also remember how awkward this seemed - I can't exactly pinpoint why. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
statistics overlays (like "hero xyz has a winrate of 90% in competitive play if he did this and that by minute 12") which is easily the most retarded thing since ever also what ur saying isnt really relevant because dota2 tournament structure is just so different from sc2 tournament structure, you barely have lan tournaments in dota2 when theres one every second week so you dont have that "yeah we buy studio cast allday errday" thing also what stats you wanna show "TERRAN 60% WIN WHEN BUILDS 15+ WIDOW MINES OMYGOSH!" | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On November 07 2013 21:59 teddyoojo wrote: which is easily the most retarded thing since ever also what ur saying isnt really relevant because dota2 tournament structure is just so different from sc2 tournament structure, you barely have lan tournaments in dota2 when theres one every second week so you dont have that "yeah we buy studio cast allday errday" thing also what stats you wanna show "TERRAN 60% WIN WHEN BUILDS 15+ WIDOW MINES OMYGOSH!" I think it's interesting and it was just an example of what they do. They analyse hero synergies before and during the game, recent results of the teams playing etc etc. I don't quite get that tournament structure sentence of yours. The amount of lan tournaments vs offline tournaments seem to be about the same for dota2 and sc2. How about "immortal sentry allin has a 58% win rate vs 3 hatch expand on Map younameit" (no idea about hots builds)? Or what about "On average, MC gets his 3rd nexus around 18 minutes in the game on this map. The only players quicker than that are Dear (16:39) and Naniwa (17:54)". There's tons of stuff you could do with this and it provides options for the casters to talk about, analyse the style of players instead of "Artosis, what's your favorite cake?" and other shit we get to hear when there's not much to talk about. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
The amount of lan tournaments vs offline tournaments seem to be about the same for dota2 and sc2. assuming you actually mean something that makes sense at all, no theres about 10 times as many offline tournaments compared to dota2 (and that is with the number of sc2 lans decreasing and the number of dota2 lans heavily increasing as of post ti3) | ||
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