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Proleague in December, MVP, IM, Prime to KeSPA? - Page 7

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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 16:09:47
October 30 2013 16:09 GMT
#121
On October 31 2013 00:42 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 19:23 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On October 30 2013 17:31 Shellshock wrote:
On October 30 2013 17:25 lichter wrote:
On October 30 2013 17:14 Shellshock wrote:
Hopefully this helps them all get the sponsors they need


Prime not dead?

Woongjin Prime incoming


WoongjinPrimeTL - Nazgul said HerO might play in PL

Wait he's staying at the IM house so that'd make more sense


Yeah but Snute's staying with CJ and there's a CJ video on the TL youtube channel.

CJ 2, IM 1.


Nazgul said Snute was only staying there for a short period of time and there were no plans for him to participate in PL.

Olli 1 - 0 Cheren
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 30 2013 16:10 GMT
#122
On October 31 2013 01:07 Assirra wrote:
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On October 31 2013 01:02 Arceus wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:02 Adreme wrote:
On October 30 2013 19:44 TheSayo182 wrote:
so at the moment we have 9 teams in proleague?

kt - skt - stars - jin - cj - galaxy - im - mvp - prime

interesting situation at this point, if you want to have an even number of team


The problem with the teams as is though is that there is a fairly massive power divide in terms of talent between KT SKT IM MVP and the rest of the proleague. Prime does have Maru and a few very good player so they are probably the 5th best team but those 4 are just far and away outclassing the rest.

Edit: I forgot CJ but I have not been keeping up with them so im not sure where they fall.


IM/MVP dont seem to keep up. When the like of Losira/Keen advanced the furthest in individual league, you know your team is not so hot. The problem with esf/ex-esf teams are that upcoming talents are almost non-existent
Plus it's goddamn Proleague. Looks what happened to EGTL

All factors concerned, I'd say SKT > CJ = Jinair > IM = KT > Samsung > MVP > Prime. Dunno how the neo-Stars will shaped up. Maybe they dig up some hidden, Sora kinda of rookie; maybe they partner up with other teams, who knows.

Yea Losira is the highest player yet Byul was top 8 in the season finals. And EGTL never took Proleague serious so that is a really bad example.

Nobody cares about regions outside of WCS KR /sarcasm
On a more serious note, i still think that Stars may do well. After all if matches are Bo7, they only need to find 4 rookies, that can take a game. And they can force ace matches most of time this way. If matches are Bo5, it is even easier. If they partner with team like Prime... ouch.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12422 Posts
October 30 2013 16:11 GMT
#123
I don't know if that really works like that but yeah for SC2 Woongjin Prime would be a pretty nice fit, Prime doesn't have enough good players to be competitive in a PL format.
No will to live, no wish to die
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
October 30 2013 16:12 GMT
#124
On October 31 2013 01:07 ishida66 wrote:
Btw is Najin sword/shield joining Kespa by any chance? They have a strong LoL team and their sponsors´ pocket looks full of gold.

not that I know.
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 30 2013 16:13 GMT
#125
On October 31 2013 01:11 Nebuchad wrote:
I don't know if that really works like that but yeah for SC2 Woongjin Prime would be a pretty nice fit, Prime doesn't have enough good players to be competitive in a PL format.

Nah, what chuckles me about possibility of Woongjin-Prime partnership is the fact that it is a team with 3(!!!!) ace players.
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mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
October 30 2013 16:14 GMT
#126
No StarTale? Otherwise excited for IM and Prime in KESPA ! :D

One step closer to a proper team league with ALL the top teams present I guess. Would be nice if they could just all get it together and form one proper team league. Bring back the old proleague with all the best players.
@Munck
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 30 2013 16:21 GMT
#127
On October 31 2013 01:14 mnck wrote:
No StarTale? Otherwise excited for IM and Prime in KESPA ! :D

One step closer to a proper team league with ALL the top teams present I guess. Would be nice if they could just all get it together and form one proper team league. Bring back the old proleague with all the best players.

They decided GSTL was a better place for them apparently. Also, they aren't very good at teamleagues for no particular reason so idk
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ShadowReaver
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada563 Posts
October 30 2013 16:47 GMT
#128
Watching the slow decline of eSF and GSTL has been depressing. I still think GOMTV has the best viewing experience for foreign audiences.
Niko_Thien
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany2671 Posts
October 30 2013 17:11 GMT
#129
On October 30 2013 23:28 Enders116 wrote:
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On October 30 2013 22:57 Niko_Thien wrote:
On October 30 2013 22:30 KelsierSC wrote:
Fuck yeh Proleague coming back

Do we have any idea who the english casters will be and how much support they will receive. it was kind of lacklustre last time.

Well Whiplash is still in Korea. Last time I heard anything about it, they were looking for a second caster. I hope they get a good one.

I REALLY want to get in on this (though not permanently). I'm in Daegu, South Korea right now. How can I apply?

I would love to see you cast it, always enjoy you streams. Did you try to msg whiplash? He should know who to contact Maybe someone can PM you his skype or so.
@Niko_Thien on twitter!
Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
October 30 2013 17:13 GMT
#130
On October 30 2013 20:50 Xiphos wrote:
Wasn't PL already announced to occur in November though? I wonder what's postponing it.


It was announced for late november, so it's not much of a postponement.

I'm really hyped for Proleague, it will come in the perfect time, when the sc2 offseason starts up after the madness of Blizzcon-DH-IEM-WCG-HSC-EVERYTHING-November.

I'm still lighting a candle and keeping hope that the rest of the eSF teams will be bought by KeSPA (or something like that) and then GOM gets to handle the production, with maybe OGN doing a few games a week.
Teams: IM, Jin Air, Invictus || Players: Maru, GuMiho, INnoVation, Ryung, sOs, Squirtle, NaNiwa, Has, Zoun, Life, Rogue, Dark
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
October 30 2013 17:19 GMT
#131
On October 31 2013 02:13 Darkdwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 20:50 Xiphos wrote:
Wasn't PL already announced to occur in November though? I wonder what's postponing it.


It was announced for late november, so it's not much of a postponement.

I'm really hyped for Proleague, it will come in the perfect time, when the sc2 offseason starts up after the madness of Blizzcon-DH-IEM-WCG-HSC-EVERYTHING-November.

I'm still lighting a candle and keeping hope that the rest of the eSF teams will be bought by KeSPA (or something like that) and then GOM gets to handle the production, with maybe OGN doing a few games a week.

The likelihood of GOM and OGN getting along is the equivalent of the likelihood of a foreigner winning WCS KR
j1nzo
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany367 Posts
October 30 2013 17:28 GMT
#132
i wish we'd get a gstl pl fusion...
also a lol pl? siiiick!
♞ rest in peace Madiba ♞
Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
October 30 2013 17:36 GMT
#133
On October 31 2013 02:19 LighT. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 02:13 Darkdwarf wrote:
On October 30 2013 20:50 Xiphos wrote:
Wasn't PL already announced to occur in November though? I wonder what's postponing it.


It was announced for late november, so it's not much of a postponement.

I'm really hyped for Proleague, it will come in the perfect time, when the sc2 offseason starts up after the madness of Blizzcon-DH-IEM-WCG-HSC-EVERYTHING-November.

I'm still lighting a candle and keeping hope that the rest of the eSF teams will be bought by KeSPA (or something like that) and then GOM gets to handle the production, with maybe OGN doing a few games a week.

The likelihood of GOM and OGN getting along is the equivalent of the likelihood of a foreigner winning WCS KR


Yeah, I know. But you should never let hope die, right?
Teams: IM, Jin Air, Invictus || Players: Maru, GuMiho, INnoVation, Ryung, sOs, Squirtle, NaNiwa, Has, Zoun, Life, Rogue, Dark
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
October 30 2013 17:48 GMT
#134
Just curious how can u have a lol proleague? Isnt LoL a team based game?
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
October 30 2013 18:05 GMT
#135
So pumped! Proleague is the best.
이영호 FIGHTING! Die Hard KT Rolster and Flash fan.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 30 2013 18:16 GMT
#136
By the everyone knows how this Proleague will end.

SKT vs. Prime finals with a Maru vs. soO ace match which Maru will win then Prime will hold up a sign saying, "WHO'S EASY NOW?!"
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illidanx
Profile Joined November 2011
United States973 Posts
October 30 2013 18:17 GMT
#137
I just hope new kespa teams will get schooled in the first season. After that they are no longer new so it's ok.
Die-hard KeSPA fan
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 30 2013 18:32 GMT
#138
On October 31 2013 03:16 Darkhoarse wrote:
By the everyone knows how this Proleague will end.

SKT vs. Prime finals with a Maru vs. soO ace match which Maru will win then Prime will hold up a sign saying, "WHO'S EASY NOW?!"

Lol'd. This is good.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 30 2013 18:33 GMT
#139
On October 31 2013 02:48 Dontkillme wrote:
Just curious how can u have a lol proleague? Isnt LoL a team based game?

Probably just multi-round round robin Bo3s. Yeah, not proleague but is called so :D
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Aeceus
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1278 Posts
October 30 2013 18:47 GMT
#140
On October 31 2013 00:02 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 19:44 TheSayo182 wrote:
so at the moment we have 9 teams in proleague?

kt - skt - stars - jin - cj - galaxy - im - mvp - prime

interesting situation at this point, if you want to have an even number of team


The problem with the teams as is though is that there is a fairly massive power divide in terms of talent between KT SKT IM MVP and the rest of the proleague. Prime does have Maru and a few very good player so they are probably the 5th best team but those 4 are just far and away outclassing the rest.

Edit: I forgot CJ but I have not been keeping up with them so im not sure where they fall.


Would they ever consider an NFL style draft and split current teams up?
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