The editing team of the genius did a really incredible job this last episode. Really, making up 1 hour ~ of content with just 10 minutes or so of actually playing the games, including game explanation.....
Boxer is just a joke. Looking at the ep 7 preview it's shown how full of shit Jiwon and Honchul really are. The game it's totally individual this time, alliances don't matter, so they gang around yellow to scavenge for strategies and clues...
And lastly about spoiler tags, they are not necessary when the episode has been translated. But when a new episode airs, people who can't understand korean can't even discuss previous episodes on the thread or read about it without being at risk of being spoilered.
On January 15 2014 11:05 Siantlark wrote: I just got out of school and rewatched the episode again to fully appreciate the amount of cold hearted poison went into this episode.
Wooo this episode. How should anyone even start? The entire second season seems fundamentally different in both tone and character from the first season, and this episode only serves to illustrate how pronounced that difference is. Christ. No one from season one, Sunggyu, Gura, Poong, Eunji, etc. etc. would have ever done what Jiwon and Yooyoung did in this episode. The most direct comparison from Season 1 would be + Show Spoiler +
Sangmin taking Jinho's garnet and giving it to Minseo
but that's not even comparable to how this episode played out. There was absolutely nothing Doohee could've done any better in that episode. He played as well as anyone could have in the deathmatch and was eliminated- not because the other players viewed him as a threat- but because his leaving would break up Yohwan and Jinho.
It's not show breaking, but it's certainly enough to make me question the sanity of the producers. They should have stepped in and either forced the players to give back Doohee's ID card, or given Doohee a new card to play; in absolutely no way is it necessary to have one of your players be forced out because of jerkass moves by rivals.
It really makes me agree with sentiments that were expressed earlier about how Season 1 was more about a competition between friends and peers rather than a nonviolent reenactment of Battle Royale or Hunger Games. I mean if you look at season 2 there's no friendliness at all between the competitors (except for the Progamer/Programmer group and Junghyun). You don't have things like the Changyeop+Jungmoon "love line", the Poong and Jinho bromance, Sunggyu talking about LimJinRok, Jinho joking about his membership in the Gura fanclub, etc. etc. Even Gura (Who seemed like the coldest guy there) had a sense of honor and dignity, and had some legitimate connections between the cast.The closest thing you have is Junghyun talking about his son, and Jinho bashing Yohwan for his complete idiocy in the main matches. Arghhhhhhh.
Is it too much to ask for the feeling of the first season combined with a new cast?
That's what happen when you bring too many veterans to the show. People like Hongchul and Jiwon made the atmosphere become incredibly tense since that start of ep 1. While I know that they play to win, it just kills so much of the excitement and friendliness compare to season 1. I think The Genius should just stick with a young cast and 2 or 3 older members to keep it entertaining.
It really makes me agree with sentiments that were expressed earlier about how Season 1 was more about a competition between friends and peers rather than a nonviolent reenactment of Battle Royale or Hunger Games. I mean if you look at season 2 there's no friendliness at all between the competitors (except for the Progamer/Programmer group and Junghyun). You don't have things like the Changyeop+Jungmoon "love line", the Poong and Jinho bromance, Sunggyu talking about LimJinRok, Jinho joking about his membership in the Gura fanclub, etc. etc. Even Gura (Who seemed like the coldest guy there) had a sense of honor and dignity, and had some legitimate connections between the cast.The closest thing you have is Junghyun talking about his son, and Jinho bashing Yohwan for his complete idiocy in the main matches. Arghhhhhhh.
Is it too much to ask for the feeling of the first season combined with a new cast?
Omg u missed one of the best relationships between members from season 1 if not the best...Sangmin and Sunggyu music sunbae/hoobae relationship. That combo was the shit because not only were they both so well matched and funny but shit like sangmin getting on his knees and begging sungyyu to help him and like demanding garnets for help/favors that combo was the bomb and u wont 2 ppl mesh so well like that in a korean variety/game show.
I completely missed that. But yes, the little storylines that season 1 gave birth to were much more interesting than: this guy. This guy needs to die.
I wonder how different s2 would be going if in e4 eunkyuls plan had managed to work, or even if he had beaten jiwon in the deathmatch. That deathmatch was lost by eunkyul because of hongchul who (despite agreeing to eunkyuls request at the start, and then revealing his betrayal blatantly to the other team) helped out in the end jiwon in the deathmatch, telling him what to bet on. I think eunkyul is the forgotten story so far, he took a really bold move nobody else has yet managed to match in terms of 'big plays'. And no, stealing and literally preventing a minority that isnt your team from even competing in the game does not count as a 'big play'.
Eunkyl had the perfect read for the big picture scenario (he even gunned for Jinwo when he still seemed harmless to the public, great foresight), plus the guts to try do something about it, but his short term play was severely lacking. I tried to go through his logic several times, but I just couldn't see a scenario where it would work well for him, His only hope was a different deathmatch.
Eunkyul's nickname was Garbonat, which came from the first 3 letters in each word of the sentence "Isn't it better to earn garnets?". When he was eliminated he became the Garbo Knight.
Hweejong's nickname is Soopdeulsoopdeul, which is "Forest, field, forest, field". It also sounds like a shaking noise. He has become the icon of honesty in season 2.
Junghyun is the Toto God (Toto is a gambling site) and the Fairy of Victory.
I'll happily be late to the s2 ep 6 discussion (I have one quick silly question though at top of spoiler): + Show Spoiler +
Do korean celebrities use game shows and such to give to charity or such? I feel when US celebrities go on game shows, most of the time they participate for a charity or something.
I know it's not like everyone is rich on the genius (quite the opposite, like I don't know how wealthy a Go player would be for instance), but like hong chul or somebody. Hong chul has actually been fine this season [being funny/playing for fun], but I don't know how big of a celebrity ji won is, etc. The celebrities have been try harding and actively making the games not fun at all, which is the exact opposite of what I would expect of celebrities (especially entertainers....)
When jaekyung was eliminated, i was a little bit salty/found it super boring to just have everyone double up garnets, but at the time I thought that would be the extent of "betraying" someone just to profit/make things easy. Betrayal is part of the game after all, but you'd typically think it'd be for personal gain in the "totem pole"/rankings than just everyone benefit.
I never though like 3 betrayals in a row specifically to screw someone over would happen. This whole season has had boring game results due to mobbing up (and death matches have been lame in that regard too).
I'm most suprised these celebrities are doing such over-the-top betrayals though, all other korean interviews/tv shows I see people are overly sensitive to their image due to crazy netizens.
anyways, I feel like the producers thought since eunkyul "messed" up the blackout game (what I think is the most boring, since I feel like it you can actually find out with your senses independent of alliance making--so no "genius" skill nor interesting alliances, like say maybe the animal game s2 ep1) they decided to reuse it and just got an even worse/more boring result :p
I think this was a really fun main match though, would have been actually good if boxer didn't just give away the bomb or if the "5 man alliance" wasn't dealt 4 bombs.
or if the 5 man alliance weren't just on the hunt for yellow and dohee [boxer has shown no strengths so they can keep him around] and thus totally ruined the game.
On January 15 2014 07:26 WhX wrote: I'm actually surprised that this episode made me angry despite reading a lot about it beforehand. That was disgusting, even though there are several parties at fault.
Same, because I have problems with daily motion, I rewatch the 2nd time. And I was so angry . . .I cant slp.
Then Doohee shared his life experience, and he still upheld his moral belief despite all that, then he confront Jiwon about the phone call, about the promise of help. When Jiwon gave his answer (Drunk?) , Yooyoung laugh. I cant take this at this point. Jiwon shows sense of guilt but Yooyoung feel like she didnt see Doohee sincere feelings.
U must be joking -_-. Jiwon was totally arrogant when doohee confront him thats why he says 'drunk'. Hes a rich kid, relative of the president of korea, basically an upper class. He was basically laughing that doohee trusted him and feels that he can lie and joke it off coz hes a big shot celebrity who is more important.
Yooyoung is a starlet who needs fame. Shes couldnt care less about other ppls feelings. Going far in the genius especially one as young as her is very good for her fame. Sad to say if she wins it she'll be popular regardless of how she did it. Hell she might even get to cohost/host programs.
I doubt Yooyoung will be popular. Koreans hate her now.
Somehow I imagined if Doohee picked Jiwon, he will be okay with it because there is a sense of guilt. Maybe I was wrong about Jiwon . . .
But Yooyoung got picked, she felt resentful. Maybe I was wrong about this too? Maybe I was reading too much into her expression. Also, after DooHee gave explanation , she said "I expected this" I felt it is similar to how HongChul said in episode 1.
Maybe need other ppl to watch her reaction too to confirm.
Ah maybe I still cant get over the Eunkyul betrayer keke. U noe I felt heartwarming when Yellow start to show resent over Yooyoung because she is avoiding or cold treatment him in episode 5.
Yooyoung had no reason to feel resentful since she was one of the thieves - sorry I have no better word for it. Jiwon was the main culprit throughout but she was equally guilty. I agree with you that she did not look like she even felt any bit of remorse toward Doohee. She just thought it was plain fun taking away someone's ID and rendering that person useless for the entire MM and eventually forced into DM, and that Doohee was being small about it. Nice going.
It's the way she always plays victim that I am quite peeved. Think many noticed that she had been ignoring Jinho blatantly for the whole of Ep5, probably not taking well the 'advice' that Jinho gave to her in Ep4 on Eunkyul's incident. Yet she had the cheek to whine and ask Jinho pointedly why he would choose her for DM if he lost. The usually even-tempered Jinho just replied with a curt "Just because". What's she expecting, seriously? "Thank you for slapping my on my left cheek, and now here's my right cheek"? Try harder.
But it is also obvious Jinho does not take things personally or carry blame over to the next episode. At the start of Ep6, he suggested to Yohwan that they could cooperate with Doohee and...wait for it, Yooyoung. I am just amused he'd think Yooyoung would do that. I could only hope that he would not be trampled all over just like Doohee had suffered in Ep6.
Disappointed the producers allowed Doohee's card to be stolen. That prevented him from playing the main match and ruined the game, they should have had it returned. I agree with the consensus that this celebrity alliance is defusing the strategy of the games and it's not that fun. I loved the friendly and joking atmosphere of season 1, but season 2 has just been ugly... Jiwon is especially low. He did not have to tell Doohee he was going to help him in the blackout game. He could have been open that he was staying with his team. Another betrayal? The reveal that he had made promises on the phone, outside of the game, cements him as a hated villain.
It was a Facebook post that Lee Duhee had dedicated to Hong Jinho
""I was touched - twice - after watching the broadcast [of Ep6].
The first time was when I initially chose Jinho hyung as my death match opponent, and he said "Let's do our best." Actually I did not make out what he was saying at that point of time (I only vaguely noticed he said something before I chose Yooyoung). When I watched the broadcast, and I heard Jinho hyung say "Let's do our best", I almost cried, because the first thing [after being chosen into the death match] people would usually say, "Why did you choose me? What did I wrong?"
The second time was during the death match when Jinho hyung asked Jiwon hyung, "Hyung, are you really helping us?". I did not hear that then, but when I watched the broadcast, my thought was "this hyung is too awesome".
I had expressed my heartfelt thanks to Jinho hyung on several occasions in private, but I feel it is still not enough, hence I have posted this message.
All this while I had thought of how to become an able opponent to Jinho hyung, but in the end it was hyung who had to take care of the incompetent and useless me.
It was a Facebook post that Lee Duhee had dedicated to Hong Jinho
""I was touched - twice - after watching the broadcast [of Ep6].
The first time was when I initially chose Jinho hyung as my death match opponent, and he said "Let's do our best." Actually I did not make out what he was saying at that point of time (I only vaguely noticed he said something before I chose Yooyoung). When I watched the broadcast, and I heard Jinho hyung say "Let's do our best", I almost cried, because the first thing [after being chosen into the death match] people would usually say, "Why did you choose me? What did I wrong?"
The second time was during the death match when Jinho hyung asked Jiwon hyung, "Hyung, are you really helping us?". I did not hear that then, but when I watched the broadcast, my thought was "this hyung is too awesome".
I had expressed my heartfelt thanks to Jinho hyung on several occasions in private, but I feel it is still not enough, hence I have posted this message.
All this while I had thought of how to become an able opponent to Jinho hyung, but in the end it was hyung who had to take care of the incompetent and useless me.
Hyung, thank you.""
Awwwwwwwww.
That's so nice. I also noticed how visibly upset Jinho was when the lights came on during the DM. This is how the game should be played.
It's really despicable how those games are going. Those games are designed in a way that alliances have a lop side advantage over the opposition and today was the worse. This game had a chance to be fun, but the bomb thing killed it. They should have made it that if someone spends 10 garnets to defuse it, would make it unusable as a victory condition. They made it too easy of a victory condition to a big alliance to exploit at the end.
Sadly Boxer didn't notice till now how he was being manipulated, but at the same time he should wake up a bit that the only one trustworthy was Jinho of the whole bunch. Even Eunkyul noticed it early on. Jinho at least has the balls to go to deathmatches. He should grow a pair and stop doing those small things to gain small advantages. Giving the safe location like that was really a bad move. He had a solid individual plan for this game, but the Doohee incident just killed it.
However those deathmatches are so lame. I never thought they could have made even lamer than last season. The only good one was the chess one where outsiders could help, but individual skill mattered first. This made make alliances first than any other kind of skill. At least last season most of the games, except for the rock, paper, scissor game, that didn't matter as much. Charisma and deceit should not be the emphasis of those matches.
Although Jiwon and Yooyoung were despicable this episode, they already made alliances from the beginning, so they seem to be loyal to that. Still pretty lame that this destroyed any chance of the other team do something against the broadcasters. The real machiavelic one is Sangmin. He painted target over those with real skill and now he's using this alliance to crush them. At least he has the charisma. Hopefully this doesn't bite him in the ass later. He's too focused in eliminating Jinho and this could be his downfall. However, of those broadcasters, I don't see anyone capable of opposing Sangmin (maybe Yooyoung).
I wish problem solving skills could have a better part of the games. Except for Jinho, the ones who showed promise were just eliminated. The others are just playing gang.
On January 15 2014 13:58 N.geNuity wrote: I'll happily be late to the s2 ep 6 discussion (I have one quick silly question though at top of spoiler): + Show Spoiler +
Do korean celebrities use game shows and such to give to charity or such? I feel when US celebrities go on game shows, most of the time they participate for a charity or something.
I know it's not like everyone is rich on the genius (quite the opposite, like I don't know how wealthy a Go player would be for instance), but like hong chul or somebody. Hong chul has actually been fine this season [being funny/playing for fun], but I don't know how big of a celebrity ji won is, etc. The celebrities have been try harding and actively making the games not fun at all, which is the exact opposite of what I would expect of celebrities (especially entertainers....)
When jaekyung was eliminated, i was a little bit salty/found it super boring to just have everyone double up garnets, but at the time I thought that would be the extent of "betraying" someone just to profit/make things easy. Betrayal is part of the game after all, but you'd typically think it'd be for personal gain in the "totem pole"/rankings than just everyone benefit.
I never though like 3 betrayals in a row specifically to screw someone over would happen. This whole season has had boring game results due to mobbing up (and death matches have been lame in that regard too).
I'm most suprised these celebrities are doing such over-the-top betrayals though, all other korean interviews/tv shows I see people are overly sensitive to their image due to crazy netizens.
anyways, I feel like the producers thought since eunkyul "messed" up the blackout game (what I think is the most boring, since I feel like it you can actually find out with your senses independent of alliance making--so no "genius" skill nor interesting alliances, like say maybe the animal game s2 ep1) they decided to reuse it and just got an even worse/more boring result :p
I think this was a really fun main match though, would have been actually good if boxer didn't just give away the bomb or if the "5 man alliance" wasn't dealt 4 bombs.
or if the 5 man alliance weren't just on the hunt for yellow and dohee [boxer has shown no strengths so they can keep him around] and thus totally ruined the game.
edited some grammar
I don't think the money is the most "important" aspect of winning/going far in the show at this point. Given how many people are watching the show, it's amazing PR for anyone who goes far. Looking at season 1, everyone who went really far got huge boosts in popularity, + Show Spoiler +
Sunggyu's popularity apparently spiked, jinho is now all over the place hosting shows and things, etc etc
Of the celebrities on the show this season, (afaik) only HongChul is really properly established as a leading media personality, and even then him winning would probably be a very good thing for his career (maybe get him a hosting spot on some new show for a while or something). For many of the other people, going far in the show could easily be a huge boost to their careers. + Show Spoiler +
fx if dohee had ended up winning, he would almost definitely start getting guest spots on tv shows, maybe the chance to have his own show and develop his media personality (as a humble, quiet computer genius, or whatever). It's potentially a life changer for a lot of them.
I think you could say the "cult of celebrity" is in many ways a fair bit stronger in korea then in the west. Because of how localized everything is, a good showing on a prime time show on sbs or kbs can make you the darling of the nation.
On January 15 2014 13:58 N.geNuity wrote: I'll happily be late to the s2 ep 6 discussion (I have one quick silly question though at top of spoiler): + Show Spoiler +
Do korean celebrities use game shows and such to give to charity or such? I feel when US celebrities go on game shows, most of the time they participate for a charity or something.
I know it's not like everyone is rich on the genius (quite the opposite, like I don't know how wealthy a Go player would be for instance), but like hong chul or somebody. Hong chul has actually been fine this season [being funny/playing for fun], but I don't know how big of a celebrity ji won is, etc. The celebrities have been try harding and actively making the games not fun at all, which is the exact opposite of what I would expect of celebrities (especially entertainers....)
When jaekyung was eliminated, i was a little bit salty/found it super boring to just have everyone double up garnets, but at the time I thought that would be the extent of "betraying" someone just to profit/make things easy. Betrayal is part of the game after all, but you'd typically think it'd be for personal gain in the "totem pole"/rankings than just everyone benefit.
I never though like 3 betrayals in a row specifically to screw someone over would happen. This whole season has had boring game results due to mobbing up (and death matches have been lame in that regard too).
I'm most suprised these celebrities are doing such over-the-top betrayals though, all other korean interviews/tv shows I see people are overly sensitive to their image due to crazy netizens.
anyways, I feel like the producers thought since eunkyul "messed" up the blackout game (what I think is the most boring, since I feel like it you can actually find out with your senses independent of alliance making--so no "genius" skill nor interesting alliances, like say maybe the animal game s2 ep1) they decided to reuse it and just got an even worse/more boring result :p
I think this was a really fun main match though, would have been actually good if boxer didn't just give away the bomb or if the "5 man alliance" wasn't dealt 4 bombs.
or if the 5 man alliance weren't just on the hunt for yellow and dohee [boxer has shown no strengths so they can keep him around] and thus totally ruined the game.
edited some grammar
I don't think the money is the most "important" aspect of winning/going far in the show at this point. Given how many people are watching the show, it's amazing PR for anyone who goes far. Looking at season 1, everyone who went really far got huge boosts in popularity, + Show Spoiler +
Sunggyu's popularity apparently spiked, jinho is now all over the place hosting shows and things, etc etc
Of the celebrities on the show this season, (afaik) only HongChul is really properly established as a leading media personality, and even then him winning would probably be a very good thing for his career (maybe get him a hosting spot on some new show for a while or something). For many of the other people, going far in the show could easily be a huge boost to their careers. + Show Spoiler +
fx if dohee had ended up winning, he would almost definitely start getting guest spots on tv shows, maybe the chance to have his own show and develop his media personality (as a humble, quiet computer genius, or whatever). It's potentially a life changer for a lot of them.
I think you could say the "cult of celebrity" is in many ways a fair bit stronger in korea then in the west. Because of how localized everything is, a good showing on a prime time show on sbs or kbs can make you the darling of the nation.
Well to be fair, the popularity is fairly limited due to it being a late night network show. Generally 1% is considered ok and big success is 2%. For comparison Saturday Night Live never hit 2% (highest was like 1.7% i think) in its entire run of 3 years. However a show like genius is relatively cheap to produce (no big name salary, fixed studio sets ie like big brother) and clefairy posted the premiere breach 2.2% (Reality show ratings tend to go up approaching the finale). Public variety shows need 10% to be considered success. Running man, IC all falls in this category.
Jinho and sunkyu were cases of dormant celebrity or in sunkyu's case fading (upstaged by newer boy bands) celebrity. They could tap into their once massive following. Ppl like doohee who is total outsider would be, at best, a big brother or survivor winner. Maybe last a year or two of media fame. Never seen it to translate further.
However ppl like yooyoung, jiwon, junghyun, hongchul and even sangmin (involved in too many scandal, sex, fraud, bankruptcy,) could indeed profit greatly from the exposure. Hence why they are doing everything to go far in the series. Poor jaekyung, this coulda been big for her. Now it looks like blaxx will be her main image as an artist.
Man fuck those guys, I was really starting to hate this episode halfway into the game. This episode was showing all the ugly side of them and I was thinking what the shit is this episode forcing the initial death match participant to choose Yellow after what he went through.
Most disgusting part was few of them pretending to be sorry and joking about it after going so far. I know reality show brings out the best and worst of people but, fuck them. I'm now a Jiwon, Hong-Chul and Sangmin anti-fan.
On January 15 2014 13:58 N.geNuity wrote: I'll happily be late to the s2 ep 6 discussion (I have one quick silly question though at top of spoiler): + Show Spoiler +
Do korean celebrities use game shows and such to give to charity or such? I feel when US celebrities go on game shows, most of the time they participate for a charity or something.
I know it's not like everyone is rich on the genius (quite the opposite, like I don't know how wealthy a Go player would be for instance), but like hong chul or somebody. Hong chul has actually been fine this season [being funny/playing for fun], but I don't know how big of a celebrity ji won is, etc. The celebrities have been try harding and actively making the games not fun at all, which is the exact opposite of what I would expect of celebrities (especially entertainers....)
When jaekyung was eliminated, i was a little bit salty/found it super boring to just have everyone double up garnets, but at the time I thought that would be the extent of "betraying" someone just to profit/make things easy. Betrayal is part of the game after all, but you'd typically think it'd be for personal gain in the "totem pole"/rankings than just everyone benefit.
I never though like 3 betrayals in a row specifically to screw someone over would happen. This whole season has had boring game results due to mobbing up (and death matches have been lame in that regard too).
I'm most suprised these celebrities are doing such over-the-top betrayals though, all other korean interviews/tv shows I see people are overly sensitive to their image due to crazy netizens.
anyways, I feel like the producers thought since eunkyul "messed" up the blackout game (what I think is the most boring, since I feel like it you can actually find out with your senses independent of alliance making--so no "genius" skill nor interesting alliances, like say maybe the animal game s2 ep1) they decided to reuse it and just got an even worse/more boring result :p
I think this was a really fun main match though, would have been actually good if boxer didn't just give away the bomb or if the "5 man alliance" wasn't dealt 4 bombs.
or if the 5 man alliance weren't just on the hunt for yellow and dohee [boxer has shown no strengths so they can keep him around] and thus totally ruined the game.
edited some grammar
I don't think the money is the most "important" aspect of winning/going far in the show at this point. Given how many people are watching the show, it's amazing PR for anyone who goes far. Looking at season 1, everyone who went really far got huge boosts in popularity, + Show Spoiler +
Sunggyu's popularity apparently spiked, jinho is now all over the place hosting shows and things, etc etc
Of the celebrities on the show this season, (afaik) only HongChul is really properly established as a leading media personality, and even then him winning would probably be a very good thing for his career (maybe get him a hosting spot on some new show for a while or something). For many of the other people, going far in the show could easily be a huge boost to their careers. + Show Spoiler +
fx if dohee had ended up winning, he would almost definitely start getting guest spots on tv shows, maybe the chance to have his own show and develop his media personality (as a humble, quiet computer genius, or whatever). It's potentially a life changer for a lot of them.
I think you could say the "cult of celebrity" is in many ways a fair bit stronger in korea then in the west. Because of how localized everything is, a good showing on a prime time show on sbs or kbs can make you the darling of the nation.
Well to be fair, the popularity is fairly limited due to it being a late night network show. Generally 1% is considered ok and big success is 2%. For comparison Saturday Night Live never hit 2% (highest was like 1.7% i think) in its entire run of 3 years. However a show like genius is relatively cheap to produce (no big name salary, fixed studio sets ie like big brother) and clefairy posted the premiere breach 2.2% (Reality show ratings tend to go up approaching the finale). Public variety shows need 10% to be considered success. Running man, IC all falls in this category.
Jinho and sunkyu were cases of dormant celebrity or in sunkyu's case fading (upstaged by newer boy bands) celebrity. They could tap into their once massive following. Ppl like doohee who is total outsider would be, at best, a big brother or survivor winner. Maybe last a year or two of media fame. Never seen it to translate further.
However ppl like yooyoung, jiwon, junghyun, hongchul and even sangmin (involved in too many scandal, sex, fraud, bankruptcy,) could indeed profit greatly from the exposure. Hence why they are doing everything to go far in the series. Poor jaekyung, this coulda been big for her. Now it looks like blaxx will be her main image as an artist.
Wow, I didnt noe Sangmin has such history. . . Curious about other ppl history too.
I noe BoxeR & Yellow . That is all I noe.
On January 15 2014 20:52 LoveJuice wrote: Episode 6 angry spoiler + Show Spoiler +
Man fuck those guys, I was really starting to hate this episode halfway into the game. This episode was showing all the ugly side of them and I was thinking what the shit is this episode forcing the initial death match participant to choose Yellow after what he went through.
Most disgusting part was few of them pretending to be sorry and joking about it after going so far. I know reality show brings out the best and worst of people but, fuck them. I'm now a Jiwon, Hong-Chul and Sangmin anti-fan.
For me, if the token hadn't been a fake or Doohee had won the DM it would all have been well again, but after that outcome I'm still slightly pissed. Down with the broadcaster alliance I say.
What reallly worries me is how much power Sangmin has now that he has the token and how easily he can send Boxer or Jinho to a DM.
For me, if the token hadn't been a fake or Doohee had won the DM it would all have been well again, but after that outcome I'm still slightly pissed. Down with the broadcaster alliance I say.
What reallly worries me is how much power Sangmin has now that he has the token and how easily he can send Boxer or Jinho to a DM.
Sorry, I posted this while watching halfway before realizing the Immortal token was fake. Well shit, that betrayal by Jiwon again made it worse. Fuck Jiwon really.
In my opinion they should:
1. not be able to steal things (it was even a rule in season 1) 2. not have games where big alliance gain extremely strong advantage 3. not have deathmatch where big alliance gain extremely strong advantage 4. have past participants come back and aid death match participants like some episodes in season 1. This way, betrayal comes at a cost.
In season 2, betrayal means chicken shit and there are no genius plays yet so far into the season.
This episode makes all the 'celebrities' and producers looks bad. They're trying too hard to keep the celebrities on board.
On January 15 2014 13:58 N.geNuity wrote: I'll happily be late to the s2 ep 6 discussion (I have one quick silly question though at top of spoiler): + Show Spoiler +
Do korean celebrities use game shows and such to give to charity or such? I feel when US celebrities go on game shows, most of the time they participate for a charity or something.
I know it's not like everyone is rich on the genius (quite the opposite, like I don't know how wealthy a Go player would be for instance), but like hong chul or somebody. Hong chul has actually been fine this season [being funny/playing for fun], but I don't know how big of a celebrity ji won is, etc. The celebrities have been try harding and actively making the games not fun at all, which is the exact opposite of what I would expect of celebrities (especially entertainers....)
When jaekyung was eliminated, i was a little bit salty/found it super boring to just have everyone double up garnets, but at the time I thought that would be the extent of "betraying" someone just to profit/make things easy. Betrayal is part of the game after all, but you'd typically think it'd be for personal gain in the "totem pole"/rankings than just everyone benefit.
I never though like 3 betrayals in a row specifically to screw someone over would happen. This whole season has had boring game results due to mobbing up (and death matches have been lame in that regard too).
I'm most suprised these celebrities are doing such over-the-top betrayals though, all other korean interviews/tv shows I see people are overly sensitive to their image due to crazy netizens.
anyways, I feel like the producers thought since eunkyul "messed" up the blackout game (what I think is the most boring, since I feel like it you can actually find out with your senses independent of alliance making--so no "genius" skill nor interesting alliances, like say maybe the animal game s2 ep1) they decided to reuse it and just got an even worse/more boring result :p
I think this was a really fun main match though, would have been actually good if boxer didn't just give away the bomb or if the "5 man alliance" wasn't dealt 4 bombs.
or if the 5 man alliance weren't just on the hunt for yellow and dohee [boxer has shown no strengths so they can keep him around] and thus totally ruined the game.
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I don't think the money is the most "important" aspect of winning/going far in the show at this point. Given how many people are watching the show, it's amazing PR for anyone who goes far. Looking at season 1, everyone who went really far got huge boosts in popularity, + Show Spoiler +
Sunggyu's popularity apparently spiked, jinho is now all over the place hosting shows and things, etc etc
Of the celebrities on the show this season, (afaik) only HongChul is really properly established as a leading media personality, and even then him winning would probably be a very good thing for his career (maybe get him a hosting spot on some new show for a while or something). For many of the other people, going far in the show could easily be a huge boost to their careers. + Show Spoiler +
fx if dohee had ended up winning, he would almost definitely start getting guest spots on tv shows, maybe the chance to have his own show and develop his media personality (as a humble, quiet computer genius, or whatever). It's potentially a life changer for a lot of them.
I think you could say the "cult of celebrity" is in many ways a fair bit stronger in korea then in the west. Because of how localized everything is, a good showing on a prime time show on sbs or kbs can make you the darling of the nation.
Well to be fair, the popularity is fairly limited due to it being a late night network show. Generally 1% is considered ok and big success is 2%. For comparison Saturday Night Live never hit 2% (highest was like 1.7% i think) in its entire run of 3 years. However a show like genius is relatively cheap to produce (no big name salary, fixed studio sets ie like big brother) and clefairy posted the premiere breach 2.2% (Reality show ratings tend to go up approaching the finale). Public variety shows need 10% to be considered success. Running man, IC all falls in this category.
Jinho and sunkyu were cases of dormant celebrity or in sunkyu's case fading (upstaged by newer boy bands) celebrity. They could tap into their once massive following. Ppl like doohee who is total outsider would be, at best, a big brother or survivor winner. Maybe last a year or two of media fame. Never seen it to translate further.
However ppl like yooyoung, jiwon, junghyun, hongchul and even sangmin (involved in too many scandal, sex, fraud, bankruptcy,) could indeed profit greatly from the exposure. Hence why they are doing everything to go far in the series. Poor jaekyung, this coulda been big for her. Now it looks like blaxx will be her main image as an artist.
Wow, I didnt noe Sangmin has such history. . . Curious about other ppl history too.
On January 15 2014 20:52 LoveJuice wrote: Episode 6 angry spoiler + Show Spoiler +
Man fuck those guys, I was really starting to hate this episode halfway into the game. This episode was showing all the ugly side of them and I was thinking what the shit is this episode forcing the initial death match participant to choose Yellow after what he went through.
Most disgusting part was few of them pretending to be sorry and joking about it after going so far. I know reality show brings out the best and worst of people but, fuck them. I'm now a Jiwon, Hong-Chul and Sangmin anti-fan.
If you look at this episode's 2nd part he's one of the guys that showed no remorse. He says sorry but his expression says otherwise. He's like one of those guys at a party that keeps laughing and making uncomfortable jokes when something serious happened. OK maybe I'm too angry but I'm still disgusted.
I wonder if their popularity took a hit after this episode aired? I don't know why am I so angry over a show. Maybe it's because one can see how distressed DooHee was at the end, his face literally sunked. I've never felt so sorry for someone in a TV show before.
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