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On January 15 2014 22:49 LoveJuice wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 20:59 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On January 15 2014 20:42 Kheve wrote:On January 15 2014 19:46 killerdog wrote:On January 15 2014 13:58 N.geNuity wrote:I'll happily be late to the s2 ep 6 discussion (I have one quick silly question though at top of spoiler): + Show Spoiler +Do korean celebrities use game shows and such to give to charity or such? I feel when US celebrities go on game shows, most of the time they participate for a charity or something.
I know it's not like everyone is rich on the genius (quite the opposite, like I don't know how wealthy a Go player would be for instance), but like hong chul or somebody. Hong chul has actually been fine this season [being funny/playing for fun], but I don't know how big of a celebrity ji won is, etc. The celebrities have been try harding and actively making the games not fun at all, which is the exact opposite of what I would expect of celebrities (especially entertainers....)
When jaekyung was eliminated, i was a little bit salty/found it super boring to just have everyone double up garnets, but at the time I thought that would be the extent of "betraying" someone just to profit/make things easy. Betrayal is part of the game after all, but you'd typically think it'd be for personal gain in the "totem pole"/rankings than just everyone benefit.
I never though like 3 betrayals in a row specifically to screw someone over would happen. This whole season has had boring game results due to mobbing up (and death matches have been lame in that regard too).
I'm most suprised these celebrities are doing such over-the-top betrayals though, all other korean interviews/tv shows I see people are overly sensitive to their image due to crazy netizens.
anyways, I feel like the producers thought since eunkyul "messed" up the blackout game (what I think is the most boring, since I feel like it you can actually find out with your senses independent of alliance making--so no "genius" skill nor interesting alliances, like say maybe the animal game s2 ep1) they decided to reuse it and just got an even worse/more boring result :p
I think this was a really fun main match though, would have been actually good if boxer didn't just give away the bomb or if the "5 man alliance" wasn't dealt 4 bombs.
or if the 5 man alliance weren't just on the hunt for yellow and dohee [boxer has shown no strengths so they can keep him around] and thus totally ruined the game. edited some grammar I don't think the money is the most "important" aspect of winning/going far in the show at this point. Given how many people are watching the show, it's amazing PR for anyone who goes far. Looking at season 1, everyone who went really far got huge boosts in popularity, + Show Spoiler +Sunggyu's popularity apparently spiked, jinho is now all over the place hosting shows and things, etc etc Of the celebrities on the show this season, (afaik) only HongChul is really properly established as a leading media personality, and even then him winning would probably be a very good thing for his career (maybe get him a hosting spot on some new show for a while or something). For many of the other people, going far in the show could easily be a huge boost to their careers. + Show Spoiler +fx if dohee had ended up winning, he would almost definitely start getting guest spots on tv shows, maybe the chance to have his own show and develop his media personality (as a humble, quiet computer genius, or whatever). It's potentially a life changer for a lot of them. I think you could say the "cult of celebrity" is in many ways a fair bit stronger in korea then in the west. Because of how localized everything is, a good showing on a prime time show on sbs or kbs can make you the darling of the nation. Well to be fair, the popularity is fairly limited due to it being a late night network show. Generally 1% is considered ok and big success is 2%. For comparison Saturday Night Live never hit 2% (highest was like 1.7% i think) in its entire run of 3 years. However a show like genius is relatively cheap to produce (no big name salary, fixed studio sets ie like big brother) and clefairy posted the premiere breach 2.2% (Reality show ratings tend to go up approaching the finale). Public variety shows need 10% to be considered success. Running man, IC all falls in this category. Jinho and sunkyu were cases of dormant celebrity or in sunkyu's case fading (upstaged by newer boy bands) celebrity. They could tap into their once massive following. Ppl like doohee who is total outsider would be, at best, a big brother or survivor winner. Maybe last a year or two of media fame. Never seen it to translate further. However ppl like yooyoung, jiwon, junghyun, hongchul and even sangmin (involved in too many scandal, sex, fraud, bankruptcy,) could indeed profit greatly from the exposure. Hence why they are doing everything to go far in the series. Poor jaekyung, this coulda been big for her. Now it looks like blaxx will be her main image as an artist. Wow, I didnt noe Sangmin has such history. . . Curious about other ppl history too. I noe BoxeR & Yellow  . That is all I noe. On January 15 2014 20:52 LoveJuice wrote:Episode 6 angry spoiler + Show Spoiler +Man fuck those guys, I was really starting to hate this episode halfway into the game. This episode was showing all the ugly side of them and I was thinking what the shit is this episode forcing the initial death match participant to choose Yellow after what he went through.
Most disgusting part was few of them pretending to be sorry and joking about it after going so far. I know reality show brings out the best and worst of people but, fuck them. I'm now a Jiwon, Hong-Chul and Sangmin anti-fan.
But the twist made it all well again.
+ Show Spoiler + I noe the reason u dislike Sangmin & Jiwon, but HongChul doesn't do anything in Ep6, right? + Show Spoiler +If you look at this episode's 2nd part he's one of the guys that showed no remorse. He says sorry but his expression says otherwise. He's like one of those guys at a party that keeps laughing and making uncomfortable jokes when something serious happened. OK maybe I'm too angry but I'm still disgusted.
I wonder if their popularity took a hit after this episode aired? I don't know why am I so angry over a show. Maybe it's because one can see how distressed DooHee was at the end, his face literally sunked. I've never felt so sorry for someone in a TV show before.
Regrettably, there is no such thing as bad publicity for media especially on a program. Look at sangmin, nearly jailed for fraud (claims its a legitimate failed business, kneeling to the victims), caused artists under his company to shoulder his debt (says he's sorry.... where have we heard that before) and lots of sexual harassment complaints (the most recent 2012 where he tearfully said in public its a misunderstanding) and voila hes still around and even got some singing gigs for a 'few garnets only' recently after his genius1 run (he was a singer back in the late 90s).
While in the short run netizens do complain a lot, in the long run they benefit from the publicity as they wont fade from public memory. I cant rant enough like most of them and i really dread seeing boxer-yellow dm so soon, but a signs point to it happening very soon.
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When i think about it, i think sangmin is unlikely to use his token of immortality to simply force a boxer yellow deathmatch. That way, one of boxer yellow goes out, but whoever survives will be picking you for whatever deathmatch is next. Judging by the cowardly self-centered behaviour sangmin has so far been showcasing in s2, i doubt that he will use it for anything other than to save his own ass in a deathmatch. Would anybody choose him though, knowing that he can just choose somebody else to take his place. I feel like maybe yellow is the only one with the balls to go for that (but then it would definately be a lim jin rok). Maybe the broadcaster alliance will send Junghyun to a deathmatch, where i can very see him choosing sangmin
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On January 15 2014 22:49 LoveJuice wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 20:59 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On January 15 2014 20:42 Kheve wrote:On January 15 2014 19:46 killerdog wrote:On January 15 2014 13:58 N.geNuity wrote:I'll happily be late to the s2 ep 6 discussion (I have one quick silly question though at top of spoiler): + Show Spoiler +Do korean celebrities use game shows and such to give to charity or such? I feel when US celebrities go on game shows, most of the time they participate for a charity or something.
I know it's not like everyone is rich on the genius (quite the opposite, like I don't know how wealthy a Go player would be for instance), but like hong chul or somebody. Hong chul has actually been fine this season [being funny/playing for fun], but I don't know how big of a celebrity ji won is, etc. The celebrities have been try harding and actively making the games not fun at all, which is the exact opposite of what I would expect of celebrities (especially entertainers....)
When jaekyung was eliminated, i was a little bit salty/found it super boring to just have everyone double up garnets, but at the time I thought that would be the extent of "betraying" someone just to profit/make things easy. Betrayal is part of the game after all, but you'd typically think it'd be for personal gain in the "totem pole"/rankings than just everyone benefit.
I never though like 3 betrayals in a row specifically to screw someone over would happen. This whole season has had boring game results due to mobbing up (and death matches have been lame in that regard too).
I'm most suprised these celebrities are doing such over-the-top betrayals though, all other korean interviews/tv shows I see people are overly sensitive to their image due to crazy netizens.
anyways, I feel like the producers thought since eunkyul "messed" up the blackout game (what I think is the most boring, since I feel like it you can actually find out with your senses independent of alliance making--so no "genius" skill nor interesting alliances, like say maybe the animal game s2 ep1) they decided to reuse it and just got an even worse/more boring result :p
I think this was a really fun main match though, would have been actually good if boxer didn't just give away the bomb or if the "5 man alliance" wasn't dealt 4 bombs.
or if the 5 man alliance weren't just on the hunt for yellow and dohee [boxer has shown no strengths so they can keep him around] and thus totally ruined the game. edited some grammar I don't think the money is the most "important" aspect of winning/going far in the show at this point. Given how many people are watching the show, it's amazing PR for anyone who goes far. Looking at season 1, everyone who went really far got huge boosts in popularity, + Show Spoiler +Sunggyu's popularity apparently spiked, jinho is now all over the place hosting shows and things, etc etc Of the celebrities on the show this season, (afaik) only HongChul is really properly established as a leading media personality, and even then him winning would probably be a very good thing for his career (maybe get him a hosting spot on some new show for a while or something). For many of the other people, going far in the show could easily be a huge boost to their careers. + Show Spoiler +fx if dohee had ended up winning, he would almost definitely start getting guest spots on tv shows, maybe the chance to have his own show and develop his media personality (as a humble, quiet computer genius, or whatever). It's potentially a life changer for a lot of them. I think you could say the "cult of celebrity" is in many ways a fair bit stronger in korea then in the west. Because of how localized everything is, a good showing on a prime time show on sbs or kbs can make you the darling of the nation. Well to be fair, the popularity is fairly limited due to it being a late night network show. Generally 1% is considered ok and big success is 2%. For comparison Saturday Night Live never hit 2% (highest was like 1.7% i think) in its entire run of 3 years. However a show like genius is relatively cheap to produce (no big name salary, fixed studio sets ie like big brother) and clefairy posted the premiere breach 2.2% (Reality show ratings tend to go up approaching the finale). Public variety shows need 10% to be considered success. Running man, IC all falls in this category. Jinho and sunkyu were cases of dormant celebrity or in sunkyu's case fading (upstaged by newer boy bands) celebrity. They could tap into their once massive following. Ppl like doohee who is total outsider would be, at best, a big brother or survivor winner. Maybe last a year or two of media fame. Never seen it to translate further. However ppl like yooyoung, jiwon, junghyun, hongchul and even sangmin (involved in too many scandal, sex, fraud, bankruptcy,) could indeed profit greatly from the exposure. Hence why they are doing everything to go far in the series. Poor jaekyung, this coulda been big for her. Now it looks like blaxx will be her main image as an artist. Wow, I didnt noe Sangmin has such history. . . Curious about other ppl history too. I noe BoxeR & Yellow . That is all I noe. On January 15 2014 20:52 LoveJuice wrote:Episode 6 angry spoiler + Show Spoiler +Man fuck those guys, I was really starting to hate this episode halfway into the game. This episode was showing all the ugly side of them and I was thinking what the shit is this episode forcing the initial death match participant to choose Yellow after what he went through.
Most disgusting part was few of them pretending to be sorry and joking about it after going so far. I know reality show brings out the best and worst of people but, fuck them. I'm now a Jiwon, Hong-Chul and Sangmin anti-fan.
But the twist made it all well again.
+ Show Spoiler + I noe the reason u dislike Sangmin & Jiwon, but HongChul doesn't do anything in Ep6, right? + Show Spoiler +If you look at this episode's 2nd part he's one of the guys that showed no remorse. He says sorry but his expression says otherwise. He's like one of those guys at a party that keeps laughing and making uncomfortable jokes when something serious happened. OK maybe I'm too angry but I'm still disgusted.
I wonder if their popularity took a hit after this episode aired? I don't know why am I so angry over a show. Maybe it's because one can see how distressed DooHee was at the end, his face literally sunked. I've never felt so sorry for someone in a TV show before.
That's not fair to Hongchul. If you've watched one of his shows, you'll realize that he is always laughing. Once, in Infinity Challenge(another variety show that he's a permanent cast on), he and the cast members were competing and running barefooted on the snow and he got a cut on his feet as a result. None of the cast members or production crew realized that until they saw blood on the snow that he had ran on. And guess what? While the others were feeling guilty about it, he laughed it off the whole time and comforted them instead.
Another incident happened during a hidden camera prank on HongChul in another show. Two cast members pretended to have a confrontation with each other when HongChul and a few members were in the same room. He immediately stepped in and attempt to mediate, making jokes to relieve the awkward atmosphere while the pranked others were at a loss of what to do.
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Anyway, while he was part of the 5man team in this episode, he only did it to win the game. Please don't forget that he wanted to help Doohee in the deathmatch even though Doohee originally wanted to send HongChul in the DM earlier with the token.
My point is, he's not as bad a man as some would have viewed him as. Admittedly, his actions till now are not very supporting of this claim but you would really have to watch him in shows outside of The Genius in order to find out for yourself.
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On January 16 2014 00:39 yogiwizard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 22:49 LoveJuice wrote:On January 15 2014 20:59 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On January 15 2014 20:42 Kheve wrote:On January 15 2014 19:46 killerdog wrote:On January 15 2014 13:58 N.geNuity wrote:I'll happily be late to the s2 ep 6 discussion (I have one quick silly question though at top of spoiler): + Show Spoiler +Do korean celebrities use game shows and such to give to charity or such? I feel when US celebrities go on game shows, most of the time they participate for a charity or something.
I know it's not like everyone is rich on the genius (quite the opposite, like I don't know how wealthy a Go player would be for instance), but like hong chul or somebody. Hong chul has actually been fine this season [being funny/playing for fun], but I don't know how big of a celebrity ji won is, etc. The celebrities have been try harding and actively making the games not fun at all, which is the exact opposite of what I would expect of celebrities (especially entertainers....)
When jaekyung was eliminated, i was a little bit salty/found it super boring to just have everyone double up garnets, but at the time I thought that would be the extent of "betraying" someone just to profit/make things easy. Betrayal is part of the game after all, but you'd typically think it'd be for personal gain in the "totem pole"/rankings than just everyone benefit.
I never though like 3 betrayals in a row specifically to screw someone over would happen. This whole season has had boring game results due to mobbing up (and death matches have been lame in that regard too).
I'm most suprised these celebrities are doing such over-the-top betrayals though, all other korean interviews/tv shows I see people are overly sensitive to their image due to crazy netizens.
anyways, I feel like the producers thought since eunkyul "messed" up the blackout game (what I think is the most boring, since I feel like it you can actually find out with your senses independent of alliance making--so no "genius" skill nor interesting alliances, like say maybe the animal game s2 ep1) they decided to reuse it and just got an even worse/more boring result :p
I think this was a really fun main match though, would have been actually good if boxer didn't just give away the bomb or if the "5 man alliance" wasn't dealt 4 bombs.
or if the 5 man alliance weren't just on the hunt for yellow and dohee [boxer has shown no strengths so they can keep him around] and thus totally ruined the game. edited some grammar I don't think the money is the most "important" aspect of winning/going far in the show at this point. Given how many people are watching the show, it's amazing PR for anyone who goes far. Looking at season 1, everyone who went really far got huge boosts in popularity, + Show Spoiler +Sunggyu's popularity apparently spiked, jinho is now all over the place hosting shows and things, etc etc Of the celebrities on the show this season, (afaik) only HongChul is really properly established as a leading media personality, and even then him winning would probably be a very good thing for his career (maybe get him a hosting spot on some new show for a while or something). For many of the other people, going far in the show could easily be a huge boost to their careers. + Show Spoiler +fx if dohee had ended up winning, he would almost definitely start getting guest spots on tv shows, maybe the chance to have his own show and develop his media personality (as a humble, quiet computer genius, or whatever). It's potentially a life changer for a lot of them. I think you could say the "cult of celebrity" is in many ways a fair bit stronger in korea then in the west. Because of how localized everything is, a good showing on a prime time show on sbs or kbs can make you the darling of the nation. Well to be fair, the popularity is fairly limited due to it being a late night network show. Generally 1% is considered ok and big success is 2%. For comparison Saturday Night Live never hit 2% (highest was like 1.7% i think) in its entire run of 3 years. However a show like genius is relatively cheap to produce (no big name salary, fixed studio sets ie like big brother) and clefairy posted the premiere breach 2.2% (Reality show ratings tend to go up approaching the finale). Public variety shows need 10% to be considered success. Running man, IC all falls in this category. Jinho and sunkyu were cases of dormant celebrity or in sunkyu's case fading (upstaged by newer boy bands) celebrity. They could tap into their once massive following. Ppl like doohee who is total outsider would be, at best, a big brother or survivor winner. Maybe last a year or two of media fame. Never seen it to translate further. However ppl like yooyoung, jiwon, junghyun, hongchul and even sangmin (involved in too many scandal, sex, fraud, bankruptcy,) could indeed profit greatly from the exposure. Hence why they are doing everything to go far in the series. Poor jaekyung, this coulda been big for her. Now it looks like blaxx will be her main image as an artist. Wow, I didnt noe Sangmin has such history. . . Curious about other ppl history too. I noe BoxeR & Yellow . That is all I noe. On January 15 2014 20:52 LoveJuice wrote:Episode 6 angry spoiler + Show Spoiler +Man fuck those guys, I was really starting to hate this episode halfway into the game. This episode was showing all the ugly side of them and I was thinking what the shit is this episode forcing the initial death match participant to choose Yellow after what he went through.
Most disgusting part was few of them pretending to be sorry and joking about it after going so far. I know reality show brings out the best and worst of people but, fuck them. I'm now a Jiwon, Hong-Chul and Sangmin anti-fan.
But the twist made it all well again.
+ Show Spoiler + I noe the reason u dislike Sangmin & Jiwon, but HongChul doesn't do anything in Ep6, right? + Show Spoiler +If you look at this episode's 2nd part he's one of the guys that showed no remorse. He says sorry but his expression says otherwise. He's like one of those guys at a party that keeps laughing and making uncomfortable jokes when something serious happened. OK maybe I'm too angry but I'm still disgusted.
I wonder if their popularity took a hit after this episode aired? I don't know why am I so angry over a show. Maybe it's because one can see how distressed DooHee was at the end, his face literally sunked. I've never felt so sorry for someone in a TV show before.
That's not fair to Hongchul. If you've watched one of his shows, you'll realize that he is always laughing. Once, in Infinity Challenge(another variety show that he's a permanent cast on), he and the cast members were competing and running barefooted on the snow and he got a cut on his feet as a result. None of the cast members or production crew realized that until they saw blood on the snow that he had ran on. And guess what? While the others were feeling guilty about it, he laughed it off the whole time and comforted them instead. Another incident happened during a hidden camera prank on HongChul in another show. Two cast members pretended to have a confrontation with each other when HongChul and a few members were in the same room. He immediately stepped in and attempt to mediate, making jokes to relieve the awkward atmosphere while the pranked others were at a loss of what to do. + Show Spoiler +
Anyway, while he was part of the 5man team in this episode, he only did it to win the game. Please don't forget that he wanted to help Doohee in the deathmatch even though Doohee originally wanted to send HongChul in the DM earlier with the token.
My point is, he's not as bad a man as some would have viewed him as. Admittedly, his actions till now are not very supporting of this claim but you would really have to watch him in shows outside of The Genius in order to find out for yourself.
Hongchul was one of the better parts of episode 6 for me. I mean for most of this season he's built himself up as a bit of a noisy character in the middle of every single negotiation, but he's never really been one of the people who's done anything at all thatterrible. Sure he's the reason why the broadcaster's alliance exists, and he's the main reason why the show is as boring as it is, but he's usually not the centerpiece of asshole moves like Sangmin, Jiwon, and Yooyoung seem to be.
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+ Show Spoiler +The more I think about it, the more annoyed I am at the producers not using different games (that disincentivize pre-made alliances or outright make them impossible) than the whole Jiwon stuff. Yeah, it was really scummy all things taken into account, especially given the position of these kinds of variety shows in Korean broadcasting culture (basically a 'nice' space, as well as one of the few places non-celebrity personalities have a chance to break out) and the fact that, given how insane some parts of Korean media fandom can be, I'm pretty sure that I'd be about as scared to confront Jiwon about stuff on camera as Doohee seemed to be.
But it was still gripping television. Not what I want from the Genius, and certainly deserving of backlash, but still something that wouldn't have made for a bad episode. What's really killed these past few episodes is how the production consistently fails (or rather, doesn't even attempt) to prevent big alliance domination, which was the big issue IMO for the episode, both on its own and in how it was a big part of the reason why Jiwon started/went through with the whole rather unpalatable extended betrayal. Additionally, they should have stepped in and made him return the ID after a little while - even if you could argue it wasn't against the rules (which I think it was), it definitely made the main game somewhat of a farce, and boring as hell. It's about the spirit of the rule, not the letter indeed - and in this case, I can't see the problem with forcing the ID-card's return in order to facilitate a working main game.
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On January 16 2014 00:39 yogiwizard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 22:49 LoveJuice wrote:On January 15 2014 20:59 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On January 15 2014 20:42 Kheve wrote:On January 15 2014 19:46 killerdog wrote:On January 15 2014 13:58 N.geNuity wrote:I'll happily be late to the s2 ep 6 discussion (I have one quick silly question though at top of spoiler): + Show Spoiler +Do korean celebrities use game shows and such to give to charity or such? I feel when US celebrities go on game shows, most of the time they participate for a charity or something.
I know it's not like everyone is rich on the genius (quite the opposite, like I don't know how wealthy a Go player would be for instance), but like hong chul or somebody. Hong chul has actually been fine this season [being funny/playing for fun], but I don't know how big of a celebrity ji won is, etc. The celebrities have been try harding and actively making the games not fun at all, which is the exact opposite of what I would expect of celebrities (especially entertainers....)
When jaekyung was eliminated, i was a little bit salty/found it super boring to just have everyone double up garnets, but at the time I thought that would be the extent of "betraying" someone just to profit/make things easy. Betrayal is part of the game after all, but you'd typically think it'd be for personal gain in the "totem pole"/rankings than just everyone benefit.
I never though like 3 betrayals in a row specifically to screw someone over would happen. This whole season has had boring game results due to mobbing up (and death matches have been lame in that regard too).
I'm most suprised these celebrities are doing such over-the-top betrayals though, all other korean interviews/tv shows I see people are overly sensitive to their image due to crazy netizens.
anyways, I feel like the producers thought since eunkyul "messed" up the blackout game (what I think is the most boring, since I feel like it you can actually find out with your senses independent of alliance making--so no "genius" skill nor interesting alliances, like say maybe the animal game s2 ep1) they decided to reuse it and just got an even worse/more boring result :p
I think this was a really fun main match though, would have been actually good if boxer didn't just give away the bomb or if the "5 man alliance" wasn't dealt 4 bombs.
or if the 5 man alliance weren't just on the hunt for yellow and dohee [boxer has shown no strengths so they can keep him around] and thus totally ruined the game. edited some grammar I don't think the money is the most "important" aspect of winning/going far in the show at this point. Given how many people are watching the show, it's amazing PR for anyone who goes far. Looking at season 1, everyone who went really far got huge boosts in popularity, + Show Spoiler +Sunggyu's popularity apparently spiked, jinho is now all over the place hosting shows and things, etc etc Of the celebrities on the show this season, (afaik) only HongChul is really properly established as a leading media personality, and even then him winning would probably be a very good thing for his career (maybe get him a hosting spot on some new show for a while or something). For many of the other people, going far in the show could easily be a huge boost to their careers. + Show Spoiler +fx if dohee had ended up winning, he would almost definitely start getting guest spots on tv shows, maybe the chance to have his own show and develop his media personality (as a humble, quiet computer genius, or whatever). It's potentially a life changer for a lot of them. I think you could say the "cult of celebrity" is in many ways a fair bit stronger in korea then in the west. Because of how localized everything is, a good showing on a prime time show on sbs or kbs can make you the darling of the nation. Well to be fair, the popularity is fairly limited due to it being a late night network show. Generally 1% is considered ok and big success is 2%. For comparison Saturday Night Live never hit 2% (highest was like 1.7% i think) in its entire run of 3 years. However a show like genius is relatively cheap to produce (no big name salary, fixed studio sets ie like big brother) and clefairy posted the premiere breach 2.2% (Reality show ratings tend to go up approaching the finale). Public variety shows need 10% to be considered success. Running man, IC all falls in this category. Jinho and sunkyu were cases of dormant celebrity or in sunkyu's case fading (upstaged by newer boy bands) celebrity. They could tap into their once massive following. Ppl like doohee who is total outsider would be, at best, a big brother or survivor winner. Maybe last a year or two of media fame. Never seen it to translate further. However ppl like yooyoung, jiwon, junghyun, hongchul and even sangmin (involved in too many scandal, sex, fraud, bankruptcy,) could indeed profit greatly from the exposure. Hence why they are doing everything to go far in the series. Poor jaekyung, this coulda been big for her. Now it looks like blaxx will be her main image as an artist. Wow, I didnt noe Sangmin has such history. . . Curious about other ppl history too. I noe BoxeR & Yellow . That is all I noe. On January 15 2014 20:52 LoveJuice wrote:Episode 6 angry spoiler + Show Spoiler +Man fuck those guys, I was really starting to hate this episode halfway into the game. This episode was showing all the ugly side of them and I was thinking what the shit is this episode forcing the initial death match participant to choose Yellow after what he went through.
Most disgusting part was few of them pretending to be sorry and joking about it after going so far. I know reality show brings out the best and worst of people but, fuck them. I'm now a Jiwon, Hong-Chul and Sangmin anti-fan.
But the twist made it all well again.
+ Show Spoiler + I noe the reason u dislike Sangmin & Jiwon, but HongChul doesn't do anything in Ep6, right? + Show Spoiler +If you look at this episode's 2nd part he's one of the guys that showed no remorse. He says sorry but his expression says otherwise. He's like one of those guys at a party that keeps laughing and making uncomfortable jokes when something serious happened. OK maybe I'm too angry but I'm still disgusted.
I wonder if their popularity took a hit after this episode aired? I don't know why am I so angry over a show. Maybe it's because one can see how distressed DooHee was at the end, his face literally sunked. I've never felt so sorry for someone in a TV show before.
That's not fair to Hongchul. If you've watched one of his shows, you'll realize that he is always laughing. Once, in Infinity Challenge(another variety show that he's a permanent cast on), he and the cast members were competing and running barefooted on the snow and he got a cut on his feet as a result. None of the cast members or production crew realized that until they saw blood on the snow that he had ran on. And guess what? While the others were feeling guilty about it, he laughed it off the whole time and comforted them instead. Another incident happened during a hidden camera prank on HongChul in another show. Two cast members pretended to have a confrontation with each other when HongChul and a few members were in the same room. He immediately stepped in and attempt to mediate, making jokes to relieve the awkward atmosphere while the pranked others were at a loss of what to do. + Show Spoiler +
Anyway, while he was part of the 5man team in this episode, he only did it to win the game. Please don't forget that he wanted to help Doohee in the deathmatch even though Doohee originally wanted to send HongChul in the DM earlier with the token.
My point is, he's not as bad a man as some would have viewed him as. Admittedly, his actions till now are not very supporting of this claim but you would really have to watch him in shows outside of The Genius in order to find out for yourself.
Hongchul I do agree has been okay personality wise so far. Just underwhelming in his contribution to the games other than the funnier moments in episode2, good trickery in episode3, but otherwise just sucking up to jiwon in episode4,5 and now 6.
Jiwon is the main problem, he's getting all PD help yet hes really terrible at the games or rather makes no attempt even to seriously play the game since episode1 coz hes the star attraction like sunkyu of season1. Except sunkyu played most games actively and actually won the most games in season1, 4 times (tied with jinho).
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On January 16 2014 00:39 yogiwizard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 22:49 LoveJuice wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If you look at this episode's 2nd part he's one of the guys that showed no remorse. He says sorry but his expression says otherwise. He's like one of those guys at a party that keeps laughing and making uncomfortable jokes when something serious happened. OK maybe I'm too angry but I'm still disgusted.
I wonder if their popularity took a hit after this episode aired? I don't know why am I so angry over a show. Maybe it's because one can see how distressed DooHee was at the end, his face literally sunked. I've never felt so sorry for someone in a TV show before.
That's not fair to Hongchul. If you've watched one of his shows, you'll realize that he is always laughing. Once, in Infinity Challenge(another variety show that he's a permanent cast on), he and the cast members were competing and running barefooted on the snow and he got a cut on his feet as a result. None of the cast members or production crew realized that until they saw blood on the snow that he had ran on. And guess what? While the others were feeling guilty about it, he laughed it off the whole time and comforted them instead. Another incident happened during a hidden camera prank on HongChul in another show. Two cast members pretended to have a confrontation with each other when HongChul and a few members were in the same room. He immediately stepped in and attempt to mediate, making jokes to relieve the awkward atmosphere while the pranked others were at a loss of what to do. + Show Spoiler +
Anyway, while he was part of the 5man team in this episode, he only did it to win the game. Please don't forget that he wanted to help Doohee in the deathmatch even though Doohee originally wanted to send HongChul in the DM earlier with the token.
My point is, he's not as bad a man as some would have viewed him as. Admittedly, his actions till now are not very supporting of this claim but you would really have to watch him in shows outside of The Genius in order to find out for yourself.
Thanks for pointing that out to me. He gives me an uncomfortable feeling. I guess I was overwhelmed by feelings of anger. I'm unable to verify his sincerity + Show Spoiler +in helping DooHee since he didn't look too convincing in helping and they cut the 2nd round onwards out (some said due to Doo Hee mentally breaking down and forfeiting?) and because of his previous episodes DM betrayal.
On January 15 2014 23:09 Kheve wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 22:49 LoveJuice wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If you look at this episode's 2nd part he's one of the guys that showed no remorse. He says sorry but his expression says otherwise. He's like one of those guys at a party that keeps laughing and making uncomfortable jokes when something serious happened. OK maybe I'm too angry but I'm still disgusted.
I wonder if their popularity took a hit after this episode aired? I don't know why am I so angry over a show. Maybe it's because one can see how distressed DooHee was at the end, his face literally sunked. I've never felt so sorry for someone in a TV show before.
Regrettably, there is no such thing as bad publicity for media especially on a program. Look at sangmin, nearly jailed for fraud (claims its a legitimate failed business, kneeling to the victims), caused artists under his company to shoulder his debt (says he's sorry.... where have we heard that before) and lots of sexual harassment complaints (the most recent 2012 where he tearfully said in public its a misunderstanding) and voila hes still around and even got some singing gigs for a 'few garnets only' recently after his genius1 run (he was a singer back in the late 90s). While in the short run netizens do complain a lot, in the long run they benefit from the publicity as they wont fade from public memory. I cant rant enough like most of them and i really dread seeing boxer-yellow dm so soon, but a signs point to it happening very soon.
It is very unfortunate that someone so plagued with scandals is still widely accepted in general public. I felt Lim Yo Hwan's anger when he was pissed on by Sang Min during their final discussion. The way he speaks, and his expressions, was all looking down on The Emperor although it's partly his fault he made himself looked weak when he knelt.
I don't know if you guys have discussed this in the previous pages, but with this one action two players are left out of the game. + Show Spoiler +Hong Jin Ho wasn't even playing! He gave away his ID to Doo Hee as there is nothing else he can do when the other team refuse to trade with him
I hope that Episode 7 brings something new to the table, something like Jung Hyun switching camps or bring back the eliminated participants for the Death Match and kick + Show Spoiler +Ji Won, Sangmin and Yoo Young's
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I really need Yellow to boss it up again. During Season 1 ep 7 & ep 11 I actually jumped out of my bed and fistpumped while shouting YELLOWW.
The way he played the Math game and the 5:5 game was so amazing.
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There's a lot of that seem upset that the producers didn't step in when Doohee had his card stolen, but when you think of it - why would they set a condition like that where they had to show up to trade with their ID cards in the first place?
It smells like something that was set up all along, and given how obvious the producers are with rigging the deathmatches in favour of this alliance, it's all just really unsettling.
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On January 16 2014 01:38 Knowerz wrote:
There's a lot of that seem upset that the producers didn't step in when Doohee had his card stolen, but when you think of it - why would they set a condition like that where they had to show up to trade with their ID cards in the first place?
It smells like something that was set up all along, and given how obvious the producers are with rigging the deathmatches in favour of this alliance, it's all just really unsettling.
It may seem like that but there are other things about the ID's that could've happened other than outright theft. Doohee and Jinho talked about exchanging ID's so there had to be complete trust between the two players, ID's make it so one person can sabotage an alliance that they're part of and they would never know, etc. etc. The ID's were actually a great idea by the producers in that regard. What happened in the episode was a result of several mistakes on rhe producers part and on the broadcasters part.
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I'll just reiterate what everybody's been saying, Wow what a disgusting episode, poor management by the producers, choices in the games have been so bad this season, i think that's the major disappointing thing. You can expect disgusting betrayals, it happened in season 1, but at least in season 1 the person betrayed had a chance to come back, and even win a main match and/or death match b/c of the way the games were...this season, you get betrayed you're basically done.
I will add however, something that nobody here's mentioned..is that at some point, this 5 main celebrity alliance is going to have to go against each other (I can't wait to watch the downfall of their alliances and/or friendships). I just hope Jinho can hang on long enough to be there when it happens (if he does, i dont think anybody will be able to stop him from winning the whole season).
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On January 15 2014 22:48 LoveJuice wrote:
In my opinion they should:
1. not be able to steal things (it was even a rule in season 1)
And that rule was already broken the very first episode and it made an interesting twist plot. This time is totally the opposite though. Thinking about the game rules one comes to think, why the ID requirement for the game if it's not intended that IDs end in each others hand for some reason? I guess the producers wanted some kind of trust earning by switching IDs between alliances or something like that but it just ended in abuse of power and bullying and the production deliberatedly allowed that scenario to happen...
Hongchul it's the "best" from Sangmin/Jiwon/Hongchul trio. At least he took the deathmatch sentece like a man.
For next week, the only chance of redemption before the show falls into flatline boredom it's if yellow manages to win, chooses sangmin to the DM, and then he has to waste his token to throw in 2 other random pple. Most likely 1 of them boxer, but to be honest if he loses who's gonna care? There's no point in dragging boxer around in the show anymore, he's proven to be an incompetent and a fool time over time.
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I also wanted to add, as awful and disgusting as Jiwon's betrayals were, I can understand his justification of "I wanted to help Yooyoung in the DM b/c she's the one that did the most for our team during the MM" This sort of thing has happened quite a bit before, I'm ok with the reason why he wanted to help Yooyoung (She definitely is the main reason the 5man group was able to win...she did all the leg work basically) but still, the way he went about helping her was just stupid and ugly.
Edit: I was wondering what kind of negative impact his actions have had on the Korean President...since they're related, wouldn't him acting this way show negatively for the President? Would the average Korean look badly at the President b/c of something his nephew did/said?
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On January 16 2014 01:58 Golondrin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 22:48 LoveJuice wrote:
In my opinion they should:
1. not be able to steal things (it was even a rule in season 1)
And that rule was already broken the very first episode and it made an interesting twist plot. This time is totally the opposite though. Thinking about the game rules one comes to think, why the ID requirement for the game if it's not intended that IDs end in each others hand for some reason? I guess the producers wanted some kind of trust earning by switching IDs between alliances or something like that but it just ended in abuse of power and bullying and the production deliberatedly allowed that scenario to happen... Hongchul it's the "best" from Sangmin/Jiwon/Hongchul trio. At least he took the deathmatch sentece like a man. For next week, the only chance of redemption before the show falls into flatline boredom it's if yellow manages to win, chooses sangmin to the DM, and then he has to waste his token to throw in 2 other random pple. Most likely 1 of them boxer, but to be honest if he loses who's gonna care? There's no point in dragging boxer around in the show anymore, he's proven to be an incompetent and a fool time over time. + Show Spoiler [Jiwon bashing] +
Stealing a garnet is something quite different from stealing the one thing you need to play the game. They never implied you couldn't steal garnets, they simply said that you couldn't steal or use violence during the game itself.
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"i really don't know what we're doing." lol they ought to rename this show "The Idiot." it really is baffling how much of the cast have made it this far with no resourcefulness at all. dependence makes you weak.
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On January 16 2014 02:08 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:
I also wanted to add, as awful and disgusting as Jiwon's betrayals were, I can understand his justification of "I wanted to help Yooyoung in the DM b/c she's the one that did the most for our team during the MM" This sort of thing has happened quite a bit before, I'm ok with the reason why he wanted to help Yooyoung (She definitely is the main reason the 5man group was able to win...she did all the leg work basically) but still, the way he went about helping her was just stupid and ugly.
Edit: I was wondering what kind of negative impact his actions have had on the Korean President...since they're related, wouldn't him acting this way show negatively for the President? Would the average Korean look badly at the President b/c of something his nephew did/said? He could have just refused to assist Doohee, and played openly on Yooyoung's side, instead of lying to Doohee and promising to help him before betraying him all over again again, after just having apologized for stealing the ID keeping him out of the main match.
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On January 16 2014 02:48 SausageLinks wrote:
"i really don't know what we're doing." lol they ought to rename this show "The Idiot." it really is baffling how much of the cast have made it this far with no resourcefulness at all. dependence makes you weak.
COuld be that he's bluffing. Sunggyu did the same thing in season 1 and Junghyun's persona of a bumbling old man is most definetely staged. He's never even seen as a candidate for the deathmatch, but he's been able situate things in his favor throughout the show.
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I don't enjoy it when the games are set up so that one group can bully another group. It makes the game itself irrelevant and trivial. The game should be set up to force the individual to think for himself and not just combine forces with a bunch of other people, which only allows lower quality people to advance.
I remember many times in season 1 where sangmin had the opportunity to steal another person's garnet bag. I thought why he didn't do so, but episode 6 shows how wrong this show can get when players steal other people's things. It just makes the game pointless.
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That said, I can't believe DooHee would trust Jiwon. Jiwon has demonstrated throughout the show that he's utterly shameless and would do anything to bring other people down. In the deathmatch, DooHee got what he deserved.
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I feel badly for Doohee, I really do. It really sucks that he ended up losing the main match and death match so easily. But there were a few things he could have tried. He could have been more threatening to the broadcaster alliance (since they definitely had the ID, Yohwan and Jinho would have given it back since they're allied) - "If you don't give back my ID, I will definitely pick one of you for the deathmatch; if you give it back no hard feelings." He could have played the deathmatch safer - he was already betrayed and manhandled by the broadcaster alliance, so why continue trusting one of them? Also, giving up without even defending in the deathmatch was a tiny bit premature. Sure, Yooyoung could probably pick up at least one point over 4 rounds, but you might as well try and go down fighting. I do understand that he was in a very difficult mental state at the time, so I'm not judging him at all, just suggesting that he did in fact have options.
As for all the hate towards Yooyoung, Jiwon, and Sangmin.... what in the world do you people expect? When you agree to sign up for a game like the Genius, you ought to be playing to win, the entire show's point is to have underhanded dealings, plays, and counterplays. The broadcasters are just playing to their personal strengths - team alliance plays; compared to Yohwan and Jinho's individual ability. "Ugly victories and beautiful defeats." Are you the same people that just complain and ragequit on ladder about cheese plays instead of accepting that people do it, scouting it, and learning how to beat it? You can't blame the person that uses something cheesy like 3x bunker rushes to win tournament games. You just lament for the opponent that was unable to overcome it - it was Doohee's own mistake that put him in that situation. Let's break the other team's decisions down a bit.
Why steal the ID? It will practically guarantee the alliance victory. Controlling 6 hands out of 8 will let you not only win, but also certainly make someone from the rival alliance the loser.
Why did Sangmin hand over the fake token of immortality? (instead of just saying, "I'm sorry Doohee, you're on your own in the deathmatch") It gives the possibility of sending 2 of the rival alliance to the deathmatch; protecting your alliance. Giving the real one opens the possibility of having 2 of your own alliance in the deathmatch even though your team won the main match.
Why did Sangmin keep the token of immortality himself; and why is he gunning for Yohwan and Jinho so hard? Sangmin's strength is his personal intuition, his weakness is 1v1 deathmatch (s1 e11 was actually the first time he ever went to the deathmatch, and he lost right away) His biggest rival is Jinho, whose strength is the 1v1 deathmatch. Sangmin is running out of time to defeat Jinho, and Yohwan's silly attachment to the "Jinho must get 2nd" meme makes him a natural ally of Jinho.
Why did Jiwon betray Doohee in the deathmatch? As the voiceover at the end said very clearly, it was less a betrayal of Doohee than Jiwon simply choosing Yooyoung to help instead. So here is the breakdown:
Jiwon presses red (betrays Doohee) - Doohee (probably) loses immediately, Yooyoung is very grateful to have such a faithful and effective ally, Jiwon takes flak on online message boards. (Broadcasters vs non is now 5v2, very good odds)
Jiwon presses green (betrays Yooyoung) - Yooyoung is very weak but still alive. If she wins anyway, she now has many garnets and resents Jiwon. If Doohee closes it out, he may or may not be very grateful ("that evens us up from you taking my ID"). Jiwon probably still takes a little flak on online message boards. In any case, Jiwon is probably kicked out of the broadcaster alliance. (Broadcasters vs non is now either 4v3 or 3v4; and even then the non-broadcasters are not the most natural of allies)
Although option #2 could have succeeded, clearly the safest option is #1.
If you decide that in order to achieve your goals it is necessary to betray or eliminate someone, you can't take half measures, you need to destroy them completely so they can't rise up and take their revenge. Once you've made your bed, you have to lie in it. The moment that Yooyoung and Jiwon took the ID, their fates, and Doohee's, were sealed.
This episode, my biggest disappointment/anger was not with Sangmin, Yooyoung, or Jiwon, but with Yohwan. Don't get me wrong, I think it's really lame that the broadcasters are teaming up and crushing the others so badly, and I really want Yellow and Boxer to go far and win, but you can't blame the broadcasters for playing to win. Who you can blame is Yohwan, for GIVING AWAY the safe (and token) to Sangmin, and GIVING AWAY the main match win to the broadcaster alliance, without so much as a whimper. He didn't even try to cut a deal, which I could have understood, since 3v5 they were probably going to lose anyway ("I'll help you win if you save me from deathmatch"), he just straightforwardly gave them the victory. He almost made it up by almost winning the main match anyway, but again Jiwon chose the safer path and you can't blame him for that.
Remember, even if the broadcasters stick around long enough to knock off both Jinho and Yohwan, there's still 5 of them left to duke it out between themselves, so you'll get your chance to see them betray each other, surely.
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