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I'm seeing a lot of comments from people who are disappointed that we did not share the exact plans for WCS 2014. To clarify, we did not intend for this to be an announcement, or an announcement of an announcement for that matter

The reality is that we are still finalizing the details of WCS 2014 with our partners, however, we did not want to wait until everything was finalized before letting you know some of the things we were discussing. We want to give the community an opportunity to provide feedback before we locked down the specific details. We have outlined most of our plans and ideas in some of our answers, but haven't fully committed to any of the decisions because we want to hear from the community. Our goal is to confirm and announce the plans for WCS 2014 before BlizzCon. That gives you at least a week to give us your input on what we've shared!

Thanks again for your support!

-kimaphan
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 15 2013 07:21 GMT
#241
On October 15 2013 15:55 Hectorian wrote:
Less Koreans, more foreigners. I liked the 2012 version better

What is your opinion on Chinese and Taiwanese players in WCS AM?
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
October 15 2013 07:22 GMT
#242
Really cool to see Kim from Blizzard communicating in the thread.



Seems like I'm the only one that liked the season finals. The chills I got when all those awesome players walked on to the stage last season in Germany was amazing. The games at that tournament were incredible. If you're cutting down on tournaments i'd hope the prize money will be significantly raised, as well as better spread between all the players instead of top heavy.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
October 15 2013 07:28 GMT
#243
The region lock stuff just needs to be like MLB. You don't need to be a citizen to play, but you do have to actually live in the country to play. I think that's all people really want. Make it an actual commitment. Throw in the added bonus of making them maintain a presence on the local ladder and then everyone starts benefitting.
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Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
October 15 2013 07:30 GMT
#244
On October 15 2013 16:13 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 16:04 USvBleakill wrote:
On October 15 2013 15:39 Liquid`Ret wrote:
I think that TL.net needs to be a place for constructive feedback, all of this hate is not contributing anything.

Blizzard is right here in this thread, use it!


Wait so this "kimaphan" guy is real? Haha i was pretty sure that is just a trolling guy with so few posts and was wondering why he wasn't banned. Maybe give him a Blizzard tag

Ok then i have a question or rather a concern: Does Blizzard hate teams?

Or at least dont care that much about them. It was right at the beginning of WCS were it seems to be a lot of confusion because Blizzard mainly contacted players and "ignored" the teams. But even besides organizational things the exposition of Teams and their sponsors is not supported by WCS.
At the Finals at gamescon it was "Teaja" not "Liquid Teaja" why?
I can only guess because i am obviously not part of the esport business but i think that most of the money still comes from sponsors. And sponsoring is a tough field in marketing because it is hard to calculate the value for the company. So why not helping the teams with showing the main sponsors at the beginning of WCS games. Or some "premium team sponsors" shown on stage.

I can only imagine how hard it is to gather money for something like esports with business models that are fighting for a "black zero" but why not help the Teams to expose their sponsors and give them weapons like "hey Razor your investment is worth it, X viewers were able to see your logo for Y times and Z minutes because Teaja is awesome and made it to the ro4".

kim phan is a female by the way, just to let you know so you don't keep saying "he"


Thank you, My apologies. Fixed it.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 15 2013 07:32 GMT
#245
I think this overall looks rather reasonable but it's hard to say without any more clear decisions.
stAMy
Profile Joined March 2012
Norway30 Posts
October 15 2013 07:32 GMT
#246
Make Sc2 online f2p! Will be a huge factor if the game is gonna survive or not
kimaphan
Profile Joined June 2013
United States43 Posts
October 15 2013 07:32 GMT
#247
On October 15 2013 16:04 USvBleakill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 15:39 Liquid`Ret wrote:
I think that TL.net needs to be a place for constructive feedback, all of this hate is not contributing anything.

Blizzard is right here in this thread, use it!


Wait so this "kimaphan" guy is real? Haha i was pretty sure that is just a trolling guy with so few posts and was wondering why he wasn't banned. Maybe give him a Blizzard tag

Ok then i have a question or rather a concern: Does Blizzard hate teams?

Or at least dont care that much about them. It was right at the beginning of WCS were it seems to be a lot of confusion because Blizzard mainly contacted players and "ignored" the teams. But even besides organizational things the exposition of Teams and their sponsors is not supported by WCS.
At the Finals at gamescon it was "Teaja" not "Liquid Teaja" why?
I can only guess because i am obviously not part of the esport business but i think that most of the money still comes from sponsors. And sponsoring is a tough field in marketing because it is hard to calculate the value for the company. So why not helping the teams with showing the main sponsors at the beginning of WCS games. Or some "premium team sponsors" shown on stage.

I can only imagine how hard it is to gather money for something like esports with business models that are fighting for a "black zero" but why not help the Teams to expose their sponsors and give them weapons like "hey Razor your investment is worth it, X viewers were able to see your logo for Y times and Z minutes because Teaja is awesome and made it to the ro4".

Of course we don't hate teams. When we contact players, we also include their team managers. What makes you think we ignore teams? We're looking into ways we can incorporate and better support teams into WCS 2014.
Former Global Esports Director at Blizzard Entertainment
hipo
Profile Joined November 2010
France482 Posts
October 15 2013 07:35 GMT
#248
Very positive changes imo. I like the idea of having three seasons instead of four and no more seasons finals in 2014 since watching everything was really time consuming this year.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 07:37:48
October 15 2013 07:36 GMT
#249
edit rage
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Kheve
Profile Joined May 2013
323 Posts
October 15 2013 07:39 GMT
#250
I gotta agree with some of the negative posts. The season finals have been truly the GLOBAL tourney that sc has always been lacking. Sure u have a smattering of koreans and foreigners in dreamhack etc but its jes not the same as a season finals where everyone who is there is someone who has achieved something in his hometurf and is now meeting up for a big brawl.

Furthermore removing the season finals really cut down the unity of the WCS and the amount of tourneys. Will we once again be back in the days of stephano where we have the korean storys on one end, and a foreigners story on the other. And both never meets each other officially. Also jes 4 tourney for a player is terrible.

Lastly giving more emphasis to non-wcs event might be great from a marketing point of view to make sure dreamhack etc continue to support sc to a certain exctent. But still. the main problem of wcs is actually all the minor events which boosts up some players profile at the expense of other hardworking ones who slog it out only within the wcs tourneys.

All in all a say little, harm plenty explanation. Less tourneys, less importance, less global, more restriction, more fragmentation, more cost cutting measure. I hate to say it but looks like blizz is now in a fuck care re wcs.
kimaphan
Profile Joined June 2013
United States43 Posts
October 15 2013 07:45 GMT
#251
On October 15 2013 09:17 Fizzy wrote:
Hm, i cant really say i got any wiser from reading this... but i guess that was to be expected.

This will sound increadibly negative, and i apologize for that, but all Kim Phan is saying is "We are going to make changes, we cant announce any changes because we havnt decided what to change... but there will be changes. And we know what changes people in the community are suggesting.. and we are taking them into consideration."

But its good to hear there will be changes atleast.

Hi Fizzy!

I'm sorry you were disappointed. I was trying to say more than what you got out of it. I'll try to summarize what we're definitely doing next year:

  • Three regions (AM, EU, and KR)
  • Three seasons instead of four to allow us to spread the schedule out
  • Doing the above will allow us to simplify the format so that it's easier to follow. We want a more linear approach, meaning the qualifiers would take place first, then challenger, then premier league.
  • Improve the broadcast schedule so that it's more predictable. This would mean having a set schedule for the days each of the WCS regions would broadcast, allowing you to better plan your schedule for following WCS.
  • Removing season finals in their current form. We want there the be more spotlight on the regional finals and give other tournaments the opportunity to host events very similar to the season finals


For the rest of the changes, we're still in finalizing the decisions with our partners and looking forward to hearing the community feedback.
Former Global Esports Director at Blizzard Entertainment
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 07:49:31
October 15 2013 07:45 GMT
#252
So much text for so little real information.

BTW, make SC2 F2P multiplayer.

Also, I hope you're letting GOM and OGN do their own tournaments too. With region-lock the KR scene will get even smaller because it's just so stacked.
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GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
October 15 2013 07:46 GMT
#253
maybe wcs should be a teamleague and go full LCS with it
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aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
October 15 2013 07:47 GMT
#254
On October 15 2013 15:56 felisconcolori wrote:
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On October 15 2013 15:53 aike wrote:
On October 15 2013 15:51 Gospadin wrote:
I just want to know how they're going to ensure their players can get Visas, or if they can't get their visa by a certain deadline, promote players who can legally travel instead of walkovers.

That's where requiring that the players live in the region in which they play in is a good idea ;D


To be honest, I'd have to sit down with an immigration lawyer to figure out what visas apply to whom and if they're correct for the activities they're engaging in - I mean Polt is in the US studying, but what visa is in play? There are restrictions on student visas, and I have no idea where "professional StarCraft player" falls in that context. Could EG bring Jaedong in on an H1-B visa? (I think, out of most uses that one gets, he's probably a poster child for "can't fill with local citizen due to lack of qualified candidates".)


No I'm thinking more along the lines of a P-1 visa, which is what he should fall under. (No different than any international athlete in pro sports)
Wahaha
Alexj
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Ukraine440 Posts
October 15 2013 07:48 GMT
#255
On October 15 2013 09:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
  • No more seasonal finals
  • Three seasons instead of four
  • Considering some sort of lock, probably not hard region lock
  • Possibly Ro32 live
  • Possibly ladder contribution to be relevant
  • Some way to involve teams
  • Rethinking the point system
  • More linear system and reworking Challenger League

These are all (extremely) positive changes for the scene. It's good to leave more room to hype each WCS and create room for other tournaments both online and offline. Hopefully the prize money from the missing tournaments leads to some of that finding its way back into the scene. Purely from a structural perspective it is a huge improvement and absolutely what is needed. Most of the above are badly needed, all are improvements, and it is good to see they are being considered. Half of the reactions are really confusing me. It seems an absurd amount of negativity even though most of the information is positive.

I think it's negativity among SC2 "fans" that will kill this game, not Blizzard
More GGs, more skill
ivancype
Profile Joined December 2012
Brazil485 Posts
October 15 2013 07:48 GMT
#256
"Will there be any new regions added to WCS 2014?

We have considered supporting additional regions with WCS, but are not planning for it in 2014. We would like to find ways to support and incorporate these regions into the overall WCS system by increasing local opportunities and allowing them to be a part of the points system. We also hope to work with regional tournament organizers to operate more WCS tiered tournaments."

This is an important part to me. What about challenger league be/include some sort of regional tournament, like Challenger League Latin America or Asia (-Korea) that would qualify at least one player to the premier league of the existing regions? I would say that for LA there is an audience for it because the "Copa America" torunament has had an audience of at least 5k+ (es + pt) for its seasons finals
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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
October 15 2013 07:51 GMT
#257
On October 15 2013 16:48 Alexj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 09:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
  • No more seasonal finals
  • Three seasons instead of four
  • Considering some sort of lock, probably not hard region lock
  • Possibly Ro32 live
  • Possibly ladder contribution to be relevant
  • Some way to involve teams
  • Rethinking the point system
  • More linear system and reworking Challenger League

These are all (extremely) positive changes for the scene. It's good to leave more room to hype each WCS and create room for other tournaments both online and offline. Hopefully the prize money from the missing tournaments leads to some of that finding its way back into the scene. Purely from a structural perspective it is a huge improvement and absolutely what is needed. Most of the above are badly needed, all are improvements, and it is good to see they are being considered. Half of the reactions are really confusing me. It seems an absurd amount of negativity even though most of the information is positive.

I think it's negativity among SC2 "fans" that will kill this game, not Blizzard


Well said, my friend. I for one look forward to see these changes, especially how the new system works so that we can see more foreigners in the tournament!
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
October 15 2013 07:53 GMT
#258
On October 15 2013 16:45 kimaphan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 09:17 Fizzy wrote:
Hm, i cant really say i got any wiser from reading this... but i guess that was to be expected.

This will sound increadibly negative, and i apologize for that, but all Kim Phan is saying is "We are going to make changes, we cant announce any changes because we havnt decided what to change... but there will be changes. And we know what changes people in the community are suggesting.. and we are taking them into consideration."

But its good to hear there will be changes atleast.

Hi Fizzy!

I'm sorry you were disappointed. I was trying to say more than what you got out of it. I'll try to summarize what we're definitely doing next year:

  • Three regions (AM, EU, and KR)
  • Three seasons instead of four to allow us to spread the schedule out
  • Doing the above will allow us to simplify the format so that it's easier to follow. We want a more linear approach, meaning the qualifiers would take place first, then challenger, then premier league.
  • Improve the broadcast schedule so that it's more predictable. This would mean having a set schedule for the days each of the WCS regions would broadcast, allowing you to better plan your schedule for following WCS.
  • Removing season finals in their current form. We want there the be more spotlight on the regional finals and give other tournaments the opportunity to host events very similar to the season finals


For the rest of the changes, we're still in finalizing the decisions with our partners and looking forward to hearing the community feedback.

Do you have any plans to revitalize the Korean scene, especially since you're now reducing the seasons to 3?

We went from 5 GSLs, OSL, Blizzard Cup in 2012 to 3 GSLs and 1 OSL in 2013 with half the prize money, and now we're looking at only 3 tournaments?

The Korean scene has been the driving force of SC2 when it comes to developing the metagame, and giving all of us the most exciting matches. It's clear it was badly affected by the WCS changes of this year. What is your plan to remedy this?
XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
October 15 2013 07:54 GMT
#259
On October 15 2013 15:35 kimaphan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 09:10 beesinyoface wrote:
How can you write so much but still be so oblivious to the glaring problems of WCS?

Please share what you think are the glaring problems of WCS and the solutions you'd propose to help solve them. We're listening!


Please consider separating GSL/OSL from WCS KR (making GSL/OSL Tier 1 tournaments in the points system). I think it's pretty important for the stagnating Korean scene.
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
October 15 2013 07:55 GMT
#260
On October 15 2013 16:32 Heartland wrote:
I think this overall looks rather reasonable but it's hard to say without any more clear decisions.


I agree, it looks good but it is all rather non-committing.

A few things I'd like to see next season:
  • WCS Asia+Australia (excluding Korea) - This does not appear to happen in 2014, and that would be a missed opportunity I think.
  • At least one National Team tournaments - Not mentioned, but would work very well in Europe at least. Maybe DH could think of this?
  • Limit the number of region hoppers in qualifiers, challenger league and premier league - seems to be happening
  • More WCS points in non-WCS tournaments - again, this seems to be happening
  • 2v2 tournaments like the doubles in tennis - Maybe this is just my own wet dream, but imagine how cool it would be to see Naniwa and Scarlett teaming up against, uh, I don't know, Life and Innovation. Individual skills important, yes, but will slick team play and elaborated tactics beat über micro etc etc?
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