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I'm seeing a lot of comments from people who are disappointed that we did not share the exact plans for WCS 2014. To clarify, we did not intend for this to be an announcement, or an announcement of an announcement for that matter

The reality is that we are still finalizing the details of WCS 2014 with our partners, however, we did not want to wait until everything was finalized before letting you know some of the things we were discussing. We want to give the community an opportunity to provide feedback before we locked down the specific details. We have outlined most of our plans and ideas in some of our answers, but haven't fully committed to any of the decisions because we want to hear from the community. Our goal is to confirm and announce the plans for WCS 2014 before BlizzCon. That gives you at least a week to give us your input on what we've shared!

Thanks again for your support!

-kimaphan
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
October 15 2013 06:22 GMT
#201
anyone can tell me why Mvp is called with the german name Jürgen !?
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beesinyoface
Profile Joined May 2012
2450 Posts
October 15 2013 06:22 GMT
#202
As long as I'm not seeing WCS qualifier matches the day after the finals, I'm good. The scene needs a slight break; ever other "sport" in the world doesn't have games after the big finale, why starcraft?
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Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
October 15 2013 06:23 GMT
#203
On October 15 2013 15:21 looknohands119 wrote:
HOLYSHIT! Why is no one talking about 3 leagues per region? That would mean that GSL and OSL are coming back!


Sorry, that's not what that means. It's not 3 leagues per reason, it's just 3 leagues, like we have now. NA, EU, KR. You can tell because prior to that bullet it says that this will "still" exist (i.e., it already exists now).
Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
October 15 2013 06:24 GMT
#204
On October 15 2013 15:01 kimaphan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 09:06 HeavenResign wrote:
Some of these things are clear improvements for people to be happy about, like cutting the global season finals and letting the region finals be a little more special, having more of the competition off-line is good, I take it that means all of the premiere leagues will be off-line.

Jaedong and Polt competing in WCS America, or MC and Jürgen


That part is the most interesting to me that she chose those players when talking about region lock, because barring jaedong, aren't Polt, MC, and MVP living in the region of the WCS they're playing in? Under the region-lock system most people seem to want those players would still be playing in the respective WCS regions they've been playing in for 2013. Whether she mentioned those names on purpose or if it was an oversight is something I'm not sure of

EDIT: I guess MVP hasn't been staying in Europe, oops

Hello HeavenResign, I was trying to compare the difference between doing a harsh region-lock by requiring citizenship (valid passport) within a region or doing something less restrictive, such as enforcing some residency restrictions (living in the region but not being a national citizen). We're still gauging what people are asking for when they request for region-lock and if that means citizenship requirement. What would you like to see?


I'd personally like to see a "soft" region lock, perhaps with a residency requirement. This way the number of Koreans in AM could be reduced, while still keeping some of the strong fan favorites (Polt, I'd imagine Jaedong could live in the EG san fran house, etc.)

Any maybe this lock wouldn't have to apply to people living in an area without it's own dedicated region (Australia, China, Taiwan).

Just my thoughts!
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
October 15 2013 06:24 GMT
#205
On October 15 2013 15:22 NexCa wrote:
anyone can tell me why Mvp is called with the german name Jürgen !?


Because someone decided his real Korean name (Jung Jong Hyun) sounds a little like Jurgen.

Similarly, Apollo tried to champion Jean-Michel for MC (real name Jang Min Chul) but that one never caught on.
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
October 15 2013 06:25 GMT
#206
On October 15 2013 15:07 Yakikorosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 15:01 USvBleakill wrote:
WCS felt like it is 1 big tournament that never ended.


Wow, I guess people have different views, but that exact thing is the reason I really LIKED WCS... I do agree there was too much Challenger League content at times (which I handily solved by not watching Challenger League except the KR U&Ds). I don't really understand what's so much better about LESS Starcraft. And unless there's going to be GSLs/OSLs outside of WCS KR or IEMs/DreamHacks every few weeks, that's exactly what we'll have with fewer seasons and no Season Finals.

Not doomsaying or anything, I'm actually hopeful it'll all work out, but until someone comes in and points me to some cool stuff they're filling all this new space they have from paring down WCS, it's hard to be excited...


The Problem with that is that it is very hard to generate hype with that. To fully understand who is playing and which round in which region is going on right now you either have to watch a lot of wcs or inform yourself on the side or Liquidpedia. The System is too complex to be on all the time for the average, casual viewer.

If you look at other sports like football or Formula1 that have long seasons they all have relative easy point and league systems.
rice_devOurer
Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 06:26:40
October 15 2013 06:25 GMT
#207
I would also say that residency is the best "lock", as it makes it possible for players like Polt to play, as well as other programmers who pursue higher education (Polt) to keep playing. As a viewer(I cannot speak for all viewers), I claim that the addition of Polt to WCS AM was a benefit: it attracted more viewers and followers (fans of Polt).

Edit-Ahh... I forgot about Jaedong...
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kimaphan
Profile Joined June 2013
United States43 Posts
October 15 2013 06:26 GMT
#208
I'm seeing a lot of comments from people who are disappointed that we did not share the exact plans for WCS 2014. To clarify, we did not intend for this to be an announcement, or an announcement of an announcement for that matter

The reality is that we are still finalizing the details of WCS 2014 with our partners, however, we did not want to wait until everything was finalized before letting you know some of the things we were discussing. We want to give the community an opportunity to provide feedback before we locked down the specific details. We have outlined most of our plans and ideas in some of our answers, but haven't fully committed to any of the decisions because we want to hear from the community. Our goal is to confirm and announce the plans for WCS 2014 before BlizzCon. That gives you at least a week to give us your input on what we've shared!

Thanks again for your support!
Former Global Esports Director at Blizzard Entertainment
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 15 2013 06:27 GMT
#209
thanks kimaphan for braving the thread to answer the legions of mad TL posters haha.
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Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 06:32:35
October 15 2013 06:29 GMT
#210
On October 15 2013 15:22 StarStruck wrote:
Yakikorosu,

To me it felt very discombobulated. I'm looking at the pieces of the whole and at the end of the day a lot of it just doesn't make sense when it came to the formatting, branding and the seasons. Finals of finals? You get what I mean. I can see why they would take those out, lol. We need better continuity. I don't like looking at sections. If I had it my way I would have the same players throughout a year. These are your Pro's who will compete for the Cup. More games between the pros more regularly. More kicks at the can. Accredited teams earning slots for their players. All that good stuff. Let them build more stats against one another. Let them build stories together.


I wasn't a huge fan of the Season Finals either, and I agree that there's too much Challenger League, but you can't just select one group of players and say that for the whole year NO ONE ELSE gets to compete in major tournaments. That would completely kill the scene, players would just quit if they fail to make it in rather than wait a whole year to try again.

My preference would be:

Kill Challenger League (except in KR) and replace it with open qualifiers (tying to ladder in some manner is a good idea), but retain the top 16 players each season, not just top 8.
Kill Season Finals (except Grand Final at Blizzcon).
Use the extra time to have more WCS Premiere League seasons--5 or 6 per year.

Obviously that's not happening, so I'll just sit and hope something cool develops for 2014.

And I also want to thank Kim for being so open and participating on the forums. Please don't let the obligatory flamers and doomsayers get you down.
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 06:34:50
October 15 2013 06:31 GMT
#211
I stopped reading after the answer to the first question "we still have to decide on region locking".... it is almost 2014, make a decision ffs

Edit: ok read the rest... not really impressed. Have they been doing anything at all?
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
October 15 2013 06:34 GMT
#212
This fixes so little.
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kimaphan
Profile Joined June 2013
United States43 Posts
October 15 2013 06:35 GMT
#213
On October 15 2013 09:10 beesinyoface wrote:
How can you write so much but still be so oblivious to the glaring problems of WCS?

Please share what you think are the glaring problems of WCS and the solutions you'd propose to help solve them. We're listening!
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philliechease
Profile Joined February 2013
United States16 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 06:41:14
October 15 2013 06:39 GMT
#214
Something something, PR bullshit. Sorry you have to brave the masses of angry TLers Kim, I doubt most people blame you though, you're just doing your job.
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looknohands119
Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 06:39:34
October 15 2013 06:39 GMT
#215
On October 15 2013 15:23 Yakikorosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 15:21 looknohands119 wrote:
HOLYSHIT! Why is no one talking about 3 leagues per region? That would mean that GSL and OSL are coming back!


Sorry, that's not what that means. It's not 3 leagues per reason, it's just 3 leagues, like we have now. NA, EU, KR. You can tell because prior to that bullet it says that this will "still" exist (i.e., it already exists now).


I'm not talking about 3 wcs leagues per region. I'm talking about 3 leagues per region (where WCS is one of the 3 for each region). That is definitely the way that was worded. And that definitely seems to indicate that GSL and OSL are coming back. Who would be the third league in NA? Probably NASL or MLG. Who knows, but either way, its a pretty exciting prospect.
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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4522 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 06:40:17
October 15 2013 06:39 GMT
#216
I think that TL.net needs to be a place for constructive feedback, all of this hate is not contributing anything.

Blizzard is right here in this thread, use it!
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looknohands119
Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
October 15 2013 06:40 GMT
#217
On October 15 2013 15:35 kimaphan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 09:10 beesinyoface wrote:
How can you write so much but still be so oblivious to the glaring problems of WCS?

Please share what you think are the glaring problems of WCS and the solutions you'd propose to help solve them. We're listening!


Kim, do you mean that there will be three majors (with WCS as one of them) for each region?
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TrutY
Profile Joined March 2012
Croatia26 Posts
October 15 2013 06:43 GMT
#218
So long of a text, and no info inside
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 06:44:30
October 15 2013 06:43 GMT
#219
On October 15 2013 15:39 looknohands119 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 15:23 Yakikorosu wrote:
On October 15 2013 15:21 looknohands119 wrote:
HOLYSHIT! Why is no one talking about 3 leagues per region? That would mean that GSL and OSL are coming back!


Sorry, that's not what that means. It's not 3 leagues per reason, it's just 3 leagues, like we have now. NA, EU, KR. You can tell because prior to that bullet it says that this will "still" exist (i.e., it already exists now).


I'm not talking about 3 wcs leagues per region. I'm talking about 3 leagues per region (where WCS is one of the 3 for each region). That is definitely the way that was worded. And that definitely seems to indicate that GSL and OSL are coming back. Who would be the third league in NA? Probably NASL or MLG. Who knows, but either way, its a pretty exciting prospect.


If you are right, I'd be very happy, but unfortunately I think that part of the Q&A is just not worded perfectly. Here's what it says:

"The following will still exist: There will be three leagues operating in each of the existing regions – America, Europe, and Korea"

Grammatically, I agree that this reads like there are three leagues in EACH OF the three regions, but I think the statement should have been written with a comma after the word "leagues." So the "three leagues" are just the three WCS regions. Two reasons why I'm pretty sure my reading is right:

1) The bolded words "will still exist." So the Q&A is referring to something that already exists NOW. There are definitely not three leagues in each region now.

2) If Blizzard was really announcing that there'll be three separate leagues in EACH region (so nine leagues total), that would be a centerpoint of the post, as that would be a huge announcement. It wouldn't be buried in a bullet halfway through the Q&A.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
October 15 2013 06:47 GMT
#220
On October 15 2013 15:43 TrutY wrote:
So long of a text, and no info inside

Maybe go read it again?
Refer to my post.
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