EPTAlso this statement is a total joke. Simon has shown his true face in the skype log. And it is not pretty.
Departing Quantic, how I was mistreated in it. - Page 21
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soiii
Germany266 Posts
Also this statement is a total joke. Simon has shown his true face in the skype log. And it is not pretty. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On October 05 2013 05:31 soiii wrote: Just reading about this now and I will never support or root for Quantic anymore if this incompetent narcisstic asshole doesn't get fired. Which probably will not happen after all this time passed. Also this statement is a total joke. Simon has shown his true face in the skype log. And it is not pretty. If you are talking about being fired, I assume you are not aware that he is the owner of the team? | ||
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soiii
Germany266 Posts
On October 05 2013 05:33 JustPassingBy wrote: If you are talking about being fired, I assume you are not aware that he is the owner of the team? Organisations can figure out ways to abandon their owners. It might not being "fired" in the canonical sense but close enough. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On October 05 2013 05:35 soiii wrote: Organisations can figure out ways to abandon their owners. It might not being "fired" in the canonical sense but close enough. A hostile, very over dramatic corporate take-over perhaps?  | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 05 2013 04:18 ROOTFayth wrote: maybe simon isn't stupid though, all he did was completely lose control of his emotions, that doesn't make one stupid... if anything it may make him kind of immature if they're willing to fix things then all the better for them i'm curious as to when the owner/ceo switched. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Ridiculous how these children become managers/owners of eSports organisations. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
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Waise
3165 Posts
don't get me wrong, he comes off horribly in the log. i understand people not wanting him to be running a team. but some of you are making it pretty intensely personal. people do actually get emotional and make mistakes, and i think we all know that the gaming industry is on a low tier of professionalism in general, since these people literally are kids for the most part | ||
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
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soiii
Germany266 Posts
On October 05 2013 05:54 seoul_kiM wrote: The manner in which this was handled is extremely unprofessional and builds distrust from the community but people have to realize from small gaming organizations up to large corporations need to deal with PR. It's obvious behind the scenes people are cursing, swearing, lying, trying to find loopholes, and have different feelings about everything, but they have to seem professional and kind-hearted on the outside. It's how the world works. You are absolutly right but I can't help but feel terrible for eSports in general if this guy is allowed to stick around. Such behaviour can't be swept away with a simple professional statement/apology in my personal opinon. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On October 05 2013 05:46 Shikyo wrote: Sent hatemail to all sponsors along the lines of "It's wonderful what you are doing for eSports and I hope that you will continue supporting eSports, but as long as you sponsor Quantic Gaming I cannot bring myself to even consider buying any of your products. Please consider sponsoring a team that deserves being sponsored." Ridiculous how these children become managers/owners of eSports organisations. you understand that by doing this you are not only punishing the quantic management but also all the players who need those sponsors to get their paychecks?? Hyun just called and said thank you for what you did. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 05 2013 06:10 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: you understand that by doing this you are not only punishing the quantic management but also all the players who need those sponsors to get their paychecks?? Hyun just called and said thank you for what you did. Don't worry, we'll buy Hyun when Quantic goes down. On October 05 2013 05:49 Waise wrote: i don't see the point of rejecting the statement they put out? it sounds like they're going to resolve the situation and just want to do it privately from here on. i understand people saying they won't support quantic now, as it is a pretty big mistake, but the people posting that he's a liar/asshole/manipulator/etc. because the statement is different from the skype log just come off like they WANT drama. accepting apologies and giving people room to regain trust is what makes you a bigger person, not ruthlessly beating someone down when they try to take responsibility for a mistake don't get me wrong, he comes off horribly in the log. i understand people not wanting him to be running a team. but some of you are making it pretty intensely personal. people do actually get emotional and make mistakes, and i think we all know that the gaming industry is on a low tier of professionalism in general, since these people literally are kids for the most part The only reason this person is seemingly taking responsibility for his mistake is because Massan went public with this, had he not it would have never come to light and he would have never got his money back. Community pressure was his bargaining chip to make this guy actually do something to make it right. The only reason they will now pretend to care is because a shit storm of this magnitude will severely impact their fan base, which impacts their profits from selling things like shirts as well as their ability to find sponsors to run the team. It's not a noble act, It's his only option if he wants any support for his team at all in the future. Handling this privately before it got to the point where Massan had to go public just to make him do something would have been taking responsibility for his mistake properly. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 05 2013 06:10 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: you understand that by doing this you are not only punishing the quantic management but also all the players who need those sponsors to get their paychecks?? Hyun just called and said thank you for what you did. Do you think that Hyun couldn't find a new team? I'm just getting my opinion heard, it's just a single person. I have the right, at least. I would rather have Hyun not be a part of an atrocious organization like that and well, you reap what you sow. I think it's very detrimental to be afraid of doing anything / voicing your opinion because some players will become temporarily teamless. If they don't find new teams, they didn't deserve one in the first place, wouldn't you say? And that spot might now belong to a person who deserves it more, after all. It's not like I am attached to any of Quantic's current players, anyway. Oh, and apologizes and such are that and this is this, the skype log shows the kind of a person he is pretty well. To me it seemed like he just couldn't accept the fact that he made a mistake, like it was absolutely unthinkable. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On October 05 2013 05:46 Shikyo wrote: Sent hatemail to all sponsors along the lines of "It's wonderful what you are doing for eSports and I hope that you will continue supporting eSports, but as long as you sponsor Quantic Gaming I cannot bring myself to even consider buying any of your products. Please consider sponsoring a team that deserves being sponsored." Ridiculous how these children become managers/owners of eSports organisations. This is the absolute worst way to approach this problem. All you're doing is adding on to the problem of Simon by undermining confidence in e-sports sponsorship. Simon has no impact on the viewers. He has a direct impact on the players which indirectly impacts viewers, but that means it's up to the players to take action, not the community. If mistreatment is an issue which might compel them to leave, then the players must leave on their own will, not the community's. It's quite possible the rest of Quantic's players have perfectly fine working relationships with Simon and all that you're accomplishing in your vendetta against Simon in the end is hurting the players and putting them out of work. Again; it's their call to leave Quantic and let it "die," not yours. I would really love to see any posts trying to organize the e-mailing of sponsors to at least warrant mod action. edit: I'm tempted to start a thread on it now. On October 05 2013 06:20 Shikyo wrote: Do you think that Hyun couldn't find a new team? I'm just getting my opinion heard, it's just a single person. I have the right, at least. I would rather have Hyun not be a part of an atrocious organization like that and well, you reap what you sow. I think it's very detrimental to be afraid of doing anything / voicing your opinion because some players will become temporarily teamless. If they don't find new teams, they didn't deserve one in the first place, wouldn't you say? And that spot might now belong to a person who deserves it more, after all. It's not like I am attached to any of Quantic's current players, anyway. You have a right to outwardly support or chastise Hyun for his choice of team, but you have no right whatsoever to dictate which team he may join. You don't even have a right to dictate terms to sponsors. What are the odds you were going to buy a product they made, or if you bought anything from them at all? You're just abusing the sensitivity sponsors have to such a volatile market that describes E-Sports. If more people (who had no reason to whatsoever) e-mailed the sponsors, the entitled fanatics like yourself would be drowned out with normal, rational opinions. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On October 05 2013 06:20 Shikyo wrote: Do you think that Hyun couldn't find a new team? I'm just getting my opinion heard, it's just a single person. I have the right, at least. I would rather have Hyun not be a part of an atrocious organization like that and well, you reap what you sow. I think it's very detrimental to be afraid of doing anything / voicing your opinion because some players will become temporarily teamless. If they don't find new teams, they didn't deserve one in the first place, wouldn't you say? And that spot might now belong to a person who deserves it more, after all. It's not like I am attached to any of Quantic's current players, anyway. Oh, and apologizes and such are that and this is this, the skype log shows the kind of a person he is pretty well. To me it seemed like he just couldn't accept the fact that he made a mistake, like it was absolutely unthinkable. i think the only person that was benefited by what you did (contacting the sponsors) is you. it doesnt benefit "esports," nor does it benefit any of the players. you're just a vindictive little dude. | ||
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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
On October 05 2013 05:49 Waise wrote: i don't see the point of rejecting the statement they put out? it sounds like they're going to resolve the situation and just want to do it privately from here on. i understand people saying they won't support quantic now, as it is a pretty big mistake, but the people posting that he's a liar/asshole/manipulator/etc. because the statement is different from the skype log just come off like they WANT drama. accepting apologies and giving people room to regain trust is what makes you a bigger person, not ruthlessly beating someone down when they try to take responsibility for a mistake don't get me wrong, he comes off horribly in the log. i understand people not wanting him to be running a team. but some of you are making it pretty intensely personal. people do actually get emotional and make mistakes, and i think we all know that the gaming industry is on a low tier of professionalism in general, since these people literally are kids for the most part One of the reason esports is often viewed as unprofessional is because when someone tries to pull this garbage there's always shouts of ''DRAMA'' and people encouraging group hugs, and they can get away with it. This kind of behavior would be unacceptable in any other sport, and in any other business. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On October 05 2013 05:46 Shikyo wrote: Sent hatemail to all sponsors along the lines of "It's wonderful what you are doing for eSports and I hope that you will continue supporting eSports, but as long as you sponsor Quantic Gaming I cannot bring myself to even consider buying any of your products. Please consider sponsoring a team that deserves being sponsored." Ridiculous how these children become managers/owners of eSports organisations. Well, that's ironic. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
Put me in coach! | ||
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MaSsan
United States143 Posts
on side note, I'd like to keep this between Simon and me, not Quantic and me. Quantic organization, despite being owned by Simon, had nothing to do with it, and no representatives to viewers were involved in this, whether they were informed or not. I still love Hyun and other players in Quantic, and I'd like them to be not affected by this until they're ready to leave the organization by their own choice, if that ever occurs. Please continue support to your favorite players. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On October 04 2013 18:04 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: So reading all the logs and the original post I don't understand where the whole "stealing $1400" is coming from. The manager appears grossly, grossly incompetent, possibly an asshole, probably a liar, but I don't see how he was trying to pocket $1400. The only line that would indicate it is "At the end of the day, he got either nice mileage on his account, or refund from canceling ticket.", but nothing in the text supports that the ticket would have been canceled and refunded entirely (in all the tickets we have booked we've never had anything refunded entirely). MaSsan could easily have found evidence for a ticket in his name being canceled or not, which he didn't. You can get a 1400$ voucher tho but I think you need to use the same name from the original ticket. | ||
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