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On October 05 2013 06:57 1MaSsan wrote:
OP is updated along with dates. Thank you again for your support in this! I'll update it again when every transaction is complete.
on side note, I'd like to keep this between Simon and me, not Quantic and me. Quantic organization, despite being owned by Simon, had nothing to do with it, and no representatives to viewers were involved in this, whether they were informed or not.
I still love Hyun and other players in Quantic, and I'd like them to be not affected by this until they're ready to leave the organization by their own choice, if that ever occurs. Please continue support to your favorite players.
I'm not trying to offend you, but you should stop typing on this issue. You should let Quantic deal with this.
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aaaand we're back to deleting the OP and pretending that everything is fine and that simon isn't morbidly, stupidly unprofessional. like there is nothing amiss and if massan is given h is money, all is harmonious and professional and wonderful again. i love how the official statement still fails to acknowledge anything in the chat log, which is simultaneously removed once again. sweepingly invalidating any of it without referencing it directly, by saying that there was simply "a misunderstanding". At first I was going to say that was generous, but it seems closer to being outright dishonest about what actually took place.. Simon gets to hide as best he can from his own community while massan gets the money owed. if simon was really wanted to make things right or be a professional, he could have simply done that - nobody make any mistakes about this - this person did not and still does not give a shit about one of his players - he just needed to throw some money at taking away the bad publicity (which is to say, publicity, of his badness)
the next massan is going to have a blast
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I hope other quantic players dont have to deal with so much shit ...
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I didn't see the pre-edit OP and as far as I can see nobody quoted the entire thing. Could somebody PM me a little summary? It can be very basic. I can't seem to pick up what went on from the context... Thanks and cheers.
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Thank you!
Edit: And that is pretty ****ed up. Don't trust guys who do business using their dad's credit card I guess?
Also I like that Quantic wrote a little PR paragraph for MaSsan. I'm no expert in linguistics but I'm not insane or stupid 
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Thank you.
RIP Quantic Gaming.
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this whole thing is just nasty. that owner is one huge douchebag :/
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Reimbursing MaSsan was definitely the right first step, but honestly I don't know how Quantic salvages this situation. Obviously MaSsan didn't want this to hurt Quantic as an organization because of his respect/friendship with other players...but seeing as the dispute is with the owner of Quantic, it's kind of hard to separate one from the other. Especially when the owner's been exposed to be such a huge, unprofessional douche.
As a sponsor, would you want to sponsor them in the future? As a player, would you ever consider joining this team?
Not that I blame MaSsan in the slightest; this has done irreparable harm to Quantic in my eyes, and the owner has only himself to blame.
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On October 05 2013 04:18 ROOTFayth wrote:
if they're willing to fix things then all the better for them
I agree.
Although most people will say it's typical PR to what is written in the OP now, it could still be sincere too.
If so, I'll gladly accept it and see how things goes with the team in the future.
Edit - What happened (and also the exchange too) is kind of inexcusable. However there's still a possibility of a lesson being learned here. Of course it can also be argued if the owner of the team did something like that, what's the chance of them doing it again or something similar really? In that case, would be a good idea to just let the owner get a pass?
All good questions. If Quantic is no more, would this give a chance to other or newer teams? Plus, sponsors can feel better knowing that the teams they sponsor don't have this history with issues with players and drama or something.
I guess practical speaking, it's probably not best to give it a pass (even if PR statement apology ended up being sincere, it's just too bad that it happened in the first place).
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thanks dodgin for posting the whole thing. now i can have some context
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On October 05 2013 07:08 seoul_kiM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 06:57 1MaSsan wrote:
OP is updated along with dates. Thank you again for your support in this! I'll update it again when every transaction is complete.
on side note, I'd like to keep this between Simon and me, not Quantic and me. Quantic organization, despite being owned by Simon, had nothing to do with it, and no representatives to viewers were involved in this, whether they were informed or not.
I still love Hyun and other players in Quantic, and I'd like them to be not affected by this until they're ready to leave the organization by their own choice, if that ever occurs. Please continue support to your favorite players. I'm not trying to offend you, but you should stop typing on this issue. You should let Quantic deal with this.
Doesn't sound like he's overstepping or being outrageous about it. And considering he was the one wronged, I don't see a problem with it
Weird thing to say.
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Quantic dropping some dead weight, good for the team overall I think. Better save that money for a plane ticket so that Hyun can attend more EU events xD
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On October 05 2013 13:29 stuzH wrote:
Quantic dropping some dead weight, good for the team overall I think. Better save that money for a plane ticket so that Hyun can attend more EU events xD
Even if that was the case, you don't "drop dead weight" by having practices that border on fraudulent.
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On October 05 2013 07:08 seoul_kiM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 06:57 1MaSsan wrote:
OP is updated along with dates. Thank you again for your support in this! I'll update it again when every transaction is complete.
on side note, I'd like to keep this between Simon and me, not Quantic and me. Quantic organization, despite being owned by Simon, had nothing to do with it, and no representatives to viewers were involved in this, whether they were informed or not.
I still love Hyun and other players in Quantic, and I'd like them to be not affected by this until they're ready to leave the organization by their own choice, if that ever occurs. Please continue support to your favorite players. I'm not trying to offend you, but you should stop typing on this issue. You should let Quantic deal with this.
Or we can stop worrying about it as it has been addressed. Simon still did something wrong but at least its been dealt with. We don't need to hurt the players of Quantic anymore with being negative about one of only a few NA teams with money.
Dislike simon all you want, but you can still support the players. If massan says the matter is dealt with then it is dealt with for the time being. Its like you've never been at odds with an employer in the past and tried to address the issues. The mature thing is to move on.
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On October 05 2013 06:22 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 05:46 Shikyo wrote:
Sent hatemail to all sponsors along the lines of "It's wonderful what you are doing for eSports and I hope that you will continue supporting eSports, but as long as you sponsor Quantic Gaming I cannot bring myself to even consider buying any of your products. Please consider sponsoring a team that deserves being sponsored."
Ridiculous how these children become managers/owners of eSports organisations. This is the absolute worst way to approach this problem. All you're doing is adding on to the problem of Simon by undermining confidence in e-sports sponsorship. Simon has no impact on the viewers. He has a direct impact on the players which indirectly impacts viewers, but that means it's up to the players to take action, not the community. If mistreatment is an issue which might compel them to leave, then the players must leave on their own will, not the community's. It's quite possible the rest of Quantic's players have perfectly fine working relationships with Simon and all that you're accomplishing in your vendetta against Simon in the end is hurting the players and putting them out of work. Again; it's their call to leave Quantic and let it "die," not yours. I would really love to see any posts trying to organize the e-mailing of sponsors to at least warrant mod action. edit: I'm tempted to start a thread on it now. Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 06:20 Shikyo wrote:On October 05 2013 06:10 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On October 05 2013 05:46 Shikyo wrote:
Sent hatemail to all sponsors along the lines of "It's wonderful what you are doing for eSports and I hope that you will continue supporting eSports, but as long as you sponsor Quantic Gaming I cannot bring myself to even consider buying any of your products. Please consider sponsoring a team that deserves being sponsored."
Ridiculous how these children become managers/owners of eSports organisations. you understand that by doing this you are not only punishing the quantic management but also all the players who need those sponsors to get their paychecks?? Hyun just called and said thank you for what you did. Do you think that Hyun couldn't find a new team? I'm just getting my opinion heard, it's just a single person. I have the right, at least. I would rather have Hyun not be a part of an atrocious organization like that and well, you reap what you sow. I think it's very detrimental to be afraid of doing anything / voicing your opinion because some players will become temporarily teamless. If they don't find new teams, they didn't deserve one in the first place, wouldn't you say? And that spot might now belong to a person who deserves it more, after all. It's not like I am attached to any of Quantic's current players, anyway. You have a right to outwardly support or chastise Hyun for his choice of team, but you have no right whatsoever to dictate which team he may join. You don't even have a right to dictate terms to sponsors. What are the odds you were going to buy a product they made, or if you bought anything from them at all? You're just abusing the sensitivity sponsors have to such a volatile market that describes E-Sports. If more people (who had no reason to whatsoever) e-mailed the sponsors, the entitled fanatics like yourself would be drowned out with normal, rational opinions.
the bolded is probably the most eloquent condemnation of people writing to sponsors i've heard. well put.
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Writing to sponsors is a great way to kill esports!
Even in the light of how atrocious this person's behavior has been, it's a bad idea to write to sponsors. It's much more intelligent to write the team itself and tell them to fuck Simon. Writing to the sponors themselves... well others have said several times why that's such a fucking bad idea.
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Dad should fire Simon and save Quantic.
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On October 05 2013 11:21 Frogstomp wrote:
Reimbursing MaSsan was definitely the right first step, but honestly I don't know how Quantic salvages this situation. Obviously MaSsan didn't want this to hurt Quantic as an organization because of his respect/friendship with other players...but seeing as the dispute is with the owner of Quantic, it's kind of hard to separate one from the other. Especially when the owner's been exposed to be such a huge, unprofessional douche.
As a sponsor, would you want to sponsor them in the future? As a player, would you ever consider joining this team?
Not that I blame MaSsan in the slightest; this has done irreparable harm to Quantic in my eyes, and the owner has only himself to blame.
We have to thank MaSsan for speaking up.
I think everyone who gets treated like him has the responsibility to make it public.
Things will never change if people hush up those incidents. More people will run into problems if people like the quantic owner get away with their actions and repeat it.
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So wait if simon is the owner of quantic, and he pays for this with his parents credit cards, is he paying for the team as a whole with his parents cards?
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