• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:08
CEST 04:08
KST 11:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025)0Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week0Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer8Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14
StarCraft 2
General
How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer Rain's Behind the Scenes Storytime Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025) Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 Preliminary Maps BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Echoes of Revolution and Separation Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 32007 users

Departing Quantic, how I was mistreated in it. - Page 19

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 23 Next All
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
October 04 2013 10:11 GMT
#361
On October 04 2013 18:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 18:32 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I'm not sure you understand what stealing means. Money is lost due to incompetence all the time. It can make people incompetent assholes that shouldn't be running professional organizations, but it does not make them thieves. The semantics involved with calling someone a thief or not is actually quite a big deal, and it shouldn't be misused all over the place.


I don't know whether "incompetence" is the right word. To me "incompetence" implies that it is not done deliberately, but out of ignorance. However, according to Masan, Simon had the opportunity to change the ticket, was asked to and yet refused to do so. In my opinion, that is not incompetence, but maliciousness.

I agree, that is the asshole part of it
Administrator
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-04 10:26:26
October 04 2013 10:21 GMT
#362
I guess OP got edited into full PR mode. Too late for this drama then.

edit: Nvm. Reddit has the logs.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9366 Posts
October 04 2013 10:21 GMT
#363
On October 04 2013 18:50 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 18:47 Grollicus wrote:
In the end Simon has a $1400 plain ticket which he could give to anyone (because he has bought it, even though it was without his own money). How is that not stealing, Nazgul?
Just because he propably can't use it doesn't mean he didn't steal it?


Good point actually.

If Simon had given the ticket to Massan (even if he couldn't use it) then it wouldn't count as theft. It would indeed just be incompetence.

So whether or not this is a theft of scam solely depends on whether not Simon at least gave Massan his useless ticket.

I'm wondering if he didn't, why else couldn't Massan try to fix his shitty ticket on his own?

Edit: Yeah, it's pretty much theft when Simon says "good luck getting a refund". This pretty much implies that Massan isn't in possession of his useless plane ticket. Simon has it and he's holding on to it.


Not sure. I think from a legal standpoint, Massan is probably in good right to get the $1400 back.
Not a lawyer though.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 04 2013 10:24 GMT
#364
On October 04 2013 19:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 18:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
On October 04 2013 18:32 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I'm not sure you understand what stealing means. Money is lost due to incompetence all the time. It can make people incompetent assholes that shouldn't be running professional organizations, but it does not make them thieves. The semantics involved with calling someone a thief or not is actually quite a big deal, and it shouldn't be misused all over the place.


I don't know whether "incompetence" is the right word. To me "incompetence" implies that it is not done deliberately, but out of ignorance. However, according to Masan, Simon had the opportunity to change the ticket, was asked to and yet refused to do so. In my opinion, that is not incompetence, but maliciousness.

I agree, that is the asshole part of it


Ah, sorry. Misread your post. Must have read over the asshole part.
SkullZ9
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium2048 Posts
October 04 2013 13:24 GMT
#365
For quantic to continue to be relevant in the scene, they really have to fire Simon, even if he was a money provider. I think I'm not the only one who will disrespect the whole organisation if they continue to have him as the owner of the team.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
October 04 2013 13:30 GMT
#366
That joint statement is the most laughable PR cover shit I've seen in a long time... Please HyuN Run far away from this organization T.T
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
October 04 2013 14:09 GMT
#367
and everyone lived happy ever after
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-04 14:17:14
October 04 2013 14:14 GMT
#368
makes it very difficult to cheer for a team that is owned by such an imbecile.

i used to cheer for quantic but now it will be difficult as i will feel more pity than pride for the players when i see their tag appear. very disheartening.

edit: hope I hope HyuN is alright in the team. he seems like such a nice guy and well humoured. the language barrier makes him even more susceptible to mistreatment so i think we should keep an eye out for him.
PGtour admin
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 04 2013 14:14 GMT
#369
On October 04 2013 23:09 GizmoPT wrote:
and everyone lived happy ever after

Well I now have a pretty low opinion of Simon no matter what happens between him and Massan now. He acted and spoke with such a low amount of professionalism and maturity it was astounding.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-04 14:15:01
October 04 2013 14:14 GMT
#370
On October 04 2013 22:30 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
That joint statement is the most laughable PR cover shit I've seen in a long time... Please HyuN Run far away from this organization T.T


Seriously. It's like they completely ignore how uncooperative Simon was. If he REALLY cared and that guy was actually his friend, when Massan brought the issue up he would of completely focused on it for ~30 minutes and it would of easily been resolved. Now the excuse is...things got heated? That's ridiculous.
Try another route paperboy.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-04 15:01:31
October 04 2013 15:00 GMT
#371
On October 04 2013 22:24 SkullZ9 wrote:
For quantic to continue to be relevant in the scene, they really have to fire Simon, even if he was a money provider. I think I'm not the only one who will disrespect the whole organisation if they continue to have him as the owner of the team.



lol fire the owner??? unless someone has the dough to buy the team its not gonna happen.

I find it sad that they didnt try to apologize. I find it sad that a guy who should be a ''pro'' is such a dick. Some form of mea culpa is needed here.

If you want to be the Jerry Jones of esports, you gotta act like Jerry Jones. Not like a classless dick.

gtfo gros mange marde.

edit : what joint statement?
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
October 04 2013 15:37 GMT
#372
On October 05 2013 00:00 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 22:24 SkullZ9 wrote:
For quantic to continue to be relevant in the scene, they really have to fire Simon, even if he was a money provider. I think I'm not the only one who will disrespect the whole organisation if they continue to have him as the owner of the team.



lol fire the owner??? unless someone has the dough to buy the team its not gonna happen.

I find it sad that they didnt try to apologize. I find it sad that a guy who should be a ''pro'' is such a dick. Some form of mea culpa is needed here.

If you want to be the Jerry Jones of esports, you gotta act like Jerry Jones. Not like a classless dick.

gtfo gros mange marde.

edit : what joint statement?


The new OP of this thread, apparently. It isn't formatted or stated very clearly, but after coming up empty looking elsewhere, I figured that must be it.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
October 04 2013 15:40 GMT
#373
On October 04 2013 19:21 Weavel wrote:
I guess OP got edited into full PR mode. Too late for this drama then.

edit: Nvm. Reddit has the logs.

On October 04 2013 08:06 Dodgin wrote:
Cleaned it up a bit

+ Show Spoiler [original OP, now with spacing!] +
Dear community

I'm formerly Quantic MaSsan, a Zerg player from Quantic gaming's main roster:Quantic Gaming

As of September 26th, I officially left Quantic Gaming. Many people came to ask why and what not, and I'm just not going to lie about how things went. To my fans, I feel obligated to let them know why I'm leaving the organization.

Before I say anything, I hate to drop another bad news about teams. However, this is something that I believe it needs to be done, and I’m not sure where else to go with it. This post will explain how I left the team in detail, in one heavy load of texts.

Originally I told my ex-coworkers and friends that I will not publicize this, but I learned something about it that I need to do this, so my apologizes to those of who thought I wasn't going to do it.

So, my departure of Quantic Gaming started with me need to purchase flight ticket back to Atlanta, Georgia, USA from Quebec, Canada. When Simon, Quantic Gaming owner heard about this, he convince me that I should buy ticket to Korea as well after visa duration, since I’ll be staying in states with ESTA(basically 90 days travel visa), he said despite me been in states for 9 years, I’ll need it to pass inspection on customs as I enter the country(which I have yet to confirm if it’s true). Then he offered me that I let Simon buy the ticket, since I’ll be getting possibly cheaper flights and he can get mileages off his account since he’s frequent customer, which I took.

I told him to purchase a ticket that will allow me to stay in for anytime between 85 to 90 days. Initially my departure date from states was on Thursday, but then I had him moved to Tuesday for my own convenience, which should have only shortened the duration. I sent $1400, ticket cost, to him via Paypal.

Then I took the flight to Atlanta, and I learned that my flight ticket is actually is for 91 days even after the 2 days adjustment, and I had to go through secondary inspection where I convinced the security that I’ll be leaving before my visa expires.

So I told Simon that he had booked wrong flight, hence I needed it either changed or refunded so I can use new ticket. Simon told me that there is a form he can fill for me to extend my stay. I call embassy and found out that there is no such form, and I learned that what he told me was either lie or was given wrong information. I told him about it and he told me to stop bother him for now so I gave him time to find it out on his own.

5 days later, I asked for a form if he could find it. He told me that he called and he cannot change ticket nor can be refunded. It was very confusing for me since ticket says we’re able to change as long as we pay the differences, and I told him I’ll pay for that too. He ignored me on any conversation about forms, but just told me about how he cannot change anything about ticket, and he will not pay any money to buy new ticket since it was my error to have date wrong because I was next to him talking when he was purchasing ticket. Upon hearing that, I told him it’ll be on his dad’s credit card(he purchased with it) otherwise, so we need to fix the problem together.

He freaked out on the part me saying “it’ll be on his dad’s credit card”, and told me “good luck finding new team”, along with how “asshole”, and it is a good thing I sent it as gift on Paypal so I won’t be able to get it back. Being confused, I told him we need to find solution, I’m yet thankful for my stay at quantic house, but it doesn’t mean he can randomly decide to take money away. He told me that when I threaten quantic, I deal with consequences(which I was very confused about, I don’t remember making any threats, especially to quantic). I tried to talk him into senses since he seemed to be in freaked-out status. He told me “will review the matter tonight and see what I can do until then Nothing to say”.

I agreed to this and meanwhile, I called travel agency that he initially contacted. There I learned that you can always change the ticket as long as there is availability, and pay the ticket differential. I also learned that it’ll cost him $163 to change it. During this time, he removed all my information from the website, and removed me from quantic.

For 3 days after the incident, I messaged Simon every night just to get him back since he was logging on and off, while he ignored me completely. At the end of the day, he got either nice mileage on his account, or refund from canceling ticket. On me, I lost $1400 ticket and had to purchase another. From what point he was lying or was trying to screw me it doesn’t matter. Despite the fact that it seem like he did this from very beginning, but I can understand mistakes. However, from the moment he was telling me about forms, he was purely lying and was trying to scam me over.

After learning that he was lying to me in every possibly way, including visa, form, ticket, travel agency and every other things, I contacted Paypal and tried to cancel payment(which didn’t work out since I sent as gift), and I’m in process filing IC3(internet crime complaint center) on US government, which I’m not sure how US government will punish Canadian until he comes into US. I’ll be looking for similar form that I can fill for Canadians on Canadian government for scam he did to me.

Few days after, Simon contacted me saying good luck getting my money back, and he indeed changed the ticket at the moment I contacted him, which he will not give it to me obviously because I’m double face asshole. He told me that the ticket cost him 85 dollars(by default ticket changing fee costs 100 minimum, so it’s lie, but I still called airline and confirmed that it indeed is a lie and ticket was not changed from the beginning)

As said, I wasn’t going to reveal this to public for the good of my friends who still remains in the team. However, I learned that Simon has been telling others that I stole money from his pocket as I left the place, and I threatened him meanwhile. I will not stand framing. I cannot imagine what he's going to tell others if he tells quantic gaming that I have stole his property and threatened him, as well as I'm full of lies that I never spoke of, hence I decided to go public with this. I love Starcraft 2 and it's community. I didn't want my career to end with me leaving Quantic, and this seemed only way to prevent that.

You can find detailed skype chat down below, everything from start to the end to not give you any wrong information or even try to hide it. To make sure any part is not cropped, I copy pasted end part of screenshot at the beginning of next screen shot. This might includes some information that it shouldn’t be on public, but I cannot find a way to give you top to bottom view otherwise.

As of now, I'd like to ask formal apologize from Quantic gamings owner, Simon Boudreault, as well as refund for ticket, although it is very unlikely to happen given situation.

http://imgur.com/Li9NniK Imgurlink

As a note, I have not told any lies about organization to anyone especially to my teammates. However, I cannot prevent lie If information feeder, which are Quantic Gamings Organization Management team, lied to me to begin with. Then I'm sorry to hear that you had to lie about how things were handled and went to cover up what actually happen when you told me about those.

Thank you viewers for reading this hell of texts. I appreciate your support on the organization and me, and I really hope this doesn't change your view on Starcrtaft scene.

Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-04 16:34:18
October 04 2013 16:33 GMT
#374
The skype log is outrageous.
How can the person in charge of Quantic be so unprofessional
He's like the opposite of what we could expect from a good boss. He really should change his attitude if he wants Quantic to keep a clean image.

esports seems to grow and to attract some shady people that exclusively focus on profit, and not on the players, the game or the fanbase.I feel so sorry for all the pro players that have to endure this situation.

Thank god some team are here to show a better exemple but damn, we have seen many drama lately.
If I was a Quantic's sponsor, I would stop sponsoring the team and try to get some personal sponsorhsips with the players themselves. I don't like seeing people like Simon, making money on the back of Hyun and others.
DDie
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil2369 Posts
October 04 2013 17:58 GMT
#375
LMAO, the updated OP is a joke when you take the skype log in consideration.
''Television! Teacher, mother, secret lover.''
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-04 18:05:55
October 04 2013 18:04 GMT
#376
On October 04 2013 18:47 Grollicus wrote:
In the end Simon has a $1400 plain ticket which he could give to anyone (because he has bought it, even though it was without his own money). How is that not stealing, Nazgul?
Just because he propably can't use it doesn't mean he didn't steal it?

its nontransferrable and nonrefundable. did you even bother to read the original op?
lamprey1
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-04 18:11:56
October 04 2013 18:10 GMT
#377
team owners act like complete and total assholes in many sports...even going to jail for some of the stuff they do.
people with power and money get to act like assholes... and get away with it.
welcome to the real world guys.
ReMiiX
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States338 Posts
October 04 2013 18:14 GMT
#378
On October 05 2013 03:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 18:47 Grollicus wrote:
In the end Simon has a $1400 plain ticket which he could give to anyone (because he has bought it, even though it was without his own money). How is that not stealing, Nazgul?
Just because he propably can't use it doesn't mean he didn't steal it?

its nontransferrable and nonrefundable. did you even bother to read the original op?


But the point is there is a way to change the plane ticket so that MaSsan could use it. However, Simon refused to do it which unnecessarily wastes MaSsan's money.
GaTech CSL fighting!
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 04 2013 18:21 GMT
#379
sick damage control but that log rofl what an asshole
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 04 2013 18:27 GMT
#380
On October 05 2013 03:14 ReMiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 03:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 04 2013 18:47 Grollicus wrote:
In the end Simon has a $1400 plain ticket which he could give to anyone (because he has bought it, even though it was without his own money). How is that not stealing, Nazgul?
Just because he propably can't use it doesn't mean he didn't steal it?

its nontransferrable and nonrefundable. did you even bother to read the original op?


But the point is there is a way to change the plane ticket so that MaSsan could use it. However, Simon refused to do it which unnecessarily wastes MaSsan's money.

and nazgul (and other people's) point is that that is not stealing.
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 23 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
2025 GSL S2 - Ro8 Group B
CranKy Ducklings127
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft691
Nina 132
ROOTCatZ 60
Ketroc 49
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 13500
Artosis 826
HiyA 140
Sharp 81
Aegong 67
Icarus 9
Dota 2
monkeys_forever501
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Trikslyr86
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1454
Stewie2K757
Other Games
summit1g5564
C9.Mang01096
shahzam859
WinterStarcraft380
Maynarde141
Mew2King101
Temp018
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2457
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH288
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki26
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra849
• imaqtpie816
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
7h 52m
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
WardiTV Qualifier
13h 52m
PiGosaur Monday
21h 52m
RSL Revival
1d 7h
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
1d 21h
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Harstem vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
[ Show More ]
SC Evo League
4 days
Circuito Brasileiro de…
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #3 - GSC
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.