Call to Action: October 2 Balance Testing - Page 5

On October 03 2013 18:55 TeeTS wrote:
Oracle speed: BAD idea. People cry about medivacs and now oracles, these things that 2shot workers and small light units, become as fast as mutas?

Terran mech upgrade merge: TvT only change again. D. Kim seems to have absolutely no idea, what his changes will do in what matchup. The Banshee change was of the same kind. These changes only shake up TvT. Will make it for Bio/(Tank) players very hard to transition into Sky Terran (against mech).

Siege Tank attack speed buff: "faster attack speed naturally means Siege Tanks will be better against their hard counters. " You wanted another proof of D.Kim´s lack of understanding of SC2? Here you have it, because this is plain wrong! This change makes Tanks way more better against things, they are already good against, while not changing anything against things they are bad.

Widow mine splash nerf: The balance change needed to send Terrans back to WoL. Here you have it. With the upgrade merge, you will still see those units in TvT for sure, because mech will be much stronger there because of the other 2 changes. But don´t expect WM or Hellbats in any non-mirror.

Roach burrow speed buff: Good change. Won´t break anything I guess? And will create some opportunities for zerg players to show some skill!

On October 03 2013 21:16 Chaggi wrote:


This literally makes no sense. I'm sorry I want more options to play my race.

On October 03 2013 21:26 Everlong wrote:


No you don't want more options. You want them to buff or at least not nerf the playstyle or units you like to use. Just admit it. You have buffed Tanks and merged air/mech upgrades, while still somewhat working widow mines + whole viable bio tech path. So go figure some new stuff if you want more options and stop whining.

On October 03 2013 21:45 Chaggi wrote:


Yes, please tell me more what I want. Think about it like this, at the start of HoTS, even with all the whining, Bio/WM was one of the most dynamic MU's, especially relative to the boringness of Broodlord/Infestor in the last part of WoL. And now, people are complaining that it's boring to watch.

What's going to happen when Bio/Tank/WM comes out? People are gonna say it's awesome, better than Bio/WM, but after 6-8 months, it's going to be the same old story again, hey this is boring. What makes a game fresh is giving players the tools to innovate and evolve the metagame. This means not nerfing stuff simply for a change. It's the easy way out.

On October 03 2013 21:47 lolfail9001 wrote:

To be honest, the most boring thing about MMMM and Bio/Tank/WM possible is the fact that it works as 1 big push without multitasking madness in most(but obviously not all) cases. In fact, i start to feel like PvZ against SwarmHost player involves more multitask from both sides, than current TvZ.

On October 03 2013 21:20 lolfail9001 wrote:

Oracle speed IS good idea: MOAR speed, MOAR skill. Everyone complains that SC2 is too easy, well i guess now it is not, if everything is er2482erarweryiwerhavfiawdk.filawegf fast.
Terran mech upgrade: do not be so sure. ForGG may actually like it, because well. Hellbats and vikings share fucking upgrades in all regards.
Siege tank attack speed buff: Should i remind you, that the best way to get rid of immortal shield is to attack it faster or remove it completely? DK chose the thing he could do without screwing up the game before expansion comes.
WM nerf... Won't comment on it as it is the thing that actually needs throughout testing the most of all those.
Roach burrow speed buff is just a quality-of-life buff, because i forgot when last time i have seen roaches with tunnelling claws. In that soulkey vs fantasy game at SPL i believe.
But then again, it is my IMO and i believe that all those numbers do need to have some slight tweaks (for one, i think widow mine range should be around 1.5, not 1.75 or 1.25).

On October 03 2013 21:45 Chaggi wrote:


Yes, please tell me more what I want. Think about it like this, at the start of HoTS, even with all the whining, Bio/WM was one of the most dynamic MU's, especially relative to the boringness of Broodlord/Infestor in the last part of WoL. And now, people are complaining that it's boring to watch.

What's going to happen when Bio/Tank/WM comes out? People are gonna say it's awesome, better than Bio/WM, but after 6-8 months, it's going to be the same old story again, hey this is boring. What makes a game fresh is giving players the tools to innovate and evolve the metagame. This means not nerfing stuff simply for a change. It's the easy way out.

On October 03 2013 22:02 ETisME wrote:

I find terran winning in WoL during the last few months was extremely awesome.
Now it is a bit too boring, just a battle of mechanics.
Watching how a terran tear apart the zerg in WoL is awesome, especially when drops have more risk behind them.
it was only boring when a zerg roll'd a terran over.

I don't know, maybe it's just me.
It had a "boss mode" feel to it when zerg has a deathball out.

On October 03 2013 22:02 ETisME wrote:

I find terran winning in WoL during the last few months was extremely awesome.
Now it is a bit too boring, just a battle of mechanics.
Watching how a terran tear apart the zerg in WoL is awesome, especially when drops have more risk behind them.
it was only boring when a zerg roll'd a terran over.

I don't know, maybe it's just me.
It had a "boss mode" feel to it when zerg has a deathball out.

On October 03 2013 21:45 Chaggi wrote:


Yes, please tell me more what I want. Think about it like this, at the start of HoTS, even with all the whining, Bio/WM was one of the most dynamic MU's, especially relative to the boringness of Broodlord/Infestor in the last part of WoL. And now, people are complaining that it's boring to watch.

What's going to happen when Bio/Tank/WM comes out? People are gonna say it's awesome, better than Bio/WM, but after 6-8 months, it's going to be the same old story again, hey this is boring. What makes a game fresh is giving players the tools to innovate and evolve the metagame. This means not nerfing stuff simply for a change. It's the easy way out.

On October 03 2013 12:22 geokilla wrote:
TvT. Mech only.

On October 03 2013 22:16 Everlong wrote:


I will point out what you want as long as it is clearly visible. Don't hide behind cheap phrases and try to look cool at the same time.

So we are talking TvZ.

Yes, WoL style Broodlord/Infestor was boring and dumb to watch and play. It took the community and players like 6 months to realize what is going on and force Blizzard to do some changes. In Hots, it took the us maybe half the time to realize basically the same thing is happening. So obviously both scenarios make for stagnant, boring, repetitive and just plain wrong. In WoL, mech was somewhat viable at least. Now there is none.. It just happens that to some people, certain playstyle fits them, while the game suffers at the same time..

Do you really believe in a month or two, people would start to change metagame based on ling/bling/muta vs 4M?

On October 03 2013 22:06 Chaggi wrote:


I guess. I know I felt a sense of pride of outplaying the other player completely when I won in WoL.

Then again, I lost a stupid amount too and was just like ...SIGH so I'm not sure how I feel like that.

No, I hated it. It was awful. That's when I loved Bio, Demuslim used to do it on stream a lot and it was just sweet. Marauders sniping Infestors was the best

On October 03 2013 22:36 ETisME wrote:

holy! internet high 5
that's exactly what I did except I mained zerg and switched to T since I wanted to prepare myself for hots, just in case I want a race switch.
I followed this guide:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344554
And I almost made it to master, even better than my Z lol
in fact I was having something like 80% win rate in TvZ and around 50% in TvT but I hit a wall when TvP diamond toss starts using storms and I haven't used ghost in my unit composition before
my hot keys were/are:
1 army
2 rax
3 starports
4 all ccs
0 for far away base

That worked for me because macro was so easy like this and I could just micro well and win with pure bio, even in TvT.
but it really doesn't work in TvP very well lol

On October 03 2013 22:33 Chaggi wrote:


So that's why you buff tanks, or buff something to make it viable in TvZ as well so you can have players playing both Bio/Mine AND Bio/Tank. So there is more to watch. What the hell is so hard about this idea? Oh I know, it's your apparent fetish for the idea that I somehow am trying to hide the fact that nerfs are bad from I guess a balance? standpoint, I don't even know.

On October 03 2013 22:41 Everlong wrote:


Your last sentece sums it up pretty well. You don't even know. You seem to be very set in your opinions. I don't find this argument with you valuable anymore. Also, you seem to like "hyper aggresion" not only in video-games, so lets just chill out a leave it as is.

On October 03 2013 22:45 Chaggi wrote:


Yeah, please, accuse me of something completely random and then leave without explaining properly. Lovely.

On October 03 2013 22:49 Everlong wrote:


You can enjoy your victory feeling. I'm not going to waste my time explaining anything to overly aggresive, biased and blind person incapable of any kind of self-reflexion and listening ability.

On October 03 2013 22:51 Chaggi wrote:


What winning feeling? What did I win? An argument with some random person on the internet? And I thought we were here to discuss our views on these balance changes. I hope I get some ladder points for this, I've been bleeding a ton lately.

On October 03 2013 22:54 lolfail9001 wrote:

I wish internet arguments would fix my FPS drops in SC2. I would probably run it at 60 FPS on extreme settings in 1600 supply fights. T_T