• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:00
CEST 13:00
KST 20:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results1Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results MaNa leaves Team Liquid Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! $5,000 WardiTV Spring Championship 2026 SC2 INu's Battles#16 <BO.9> Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions Flashes ASL S21 Ro8 Review
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [ASL21] Semifinals A [BSL22] RO8 Bracket Stage + Another TieBreaker Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1964 users

Call to Action: October 2 Balance Testing - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 14 15 16 Next All
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
October 03 2013 10:58 GMT
#61
On October 03 2013 18:38 SalvationII wrote:
Wow, nobody sees that this buffs/nerfs especially weaken protoss..

Tank buff will softcounter immortals more


one of the most ridiculous statements and most revealing of a new player i've seen in a long time
PGtour admin
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
October 03 2013 11:01 GMT
#62
On October 03 2013 19:52 wishr wrote:
Show nested quote +

If anything, you guys should PLAY first, THEN judge. Because I think most of you just see the proposed changes and say "WELL FUCK THIS GUYS YOU SUCK!"
Way to bring constructive criticism, guys.

Just listen to this guy - he knows something u dont...


yeah he knows how to mix up different posts and add insults where none were in the first place!
sgtnoobkilla
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia249 Posts
October 03 2013 11:12 GMT
#63
On October 03 2013 19:31 Ouija wrote:
How can so many people approve on combining the mech and air upgrades? Biggest joke so far from blizzard, they "think" its a step in the right direction...simply playing your own game would tell you that combining the upgrades is foolish. Zerg cannot kill terran air in a fight.


Combined upgrades were OP only when Warhounds and 4x Hellbat w/o blue flame in a medivac were around. Seeing as how neither of those problems exist any more it actually is a good step in the right direction. Still think a few more buffs to the tank would be nicer though.

And please you deserve to lose if you let T manage to get so many air units up.
Don't play with your food unless it plays with you first.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
October 03 2013 11:12 GMT
#64
On October 03 2013 20:01 Naphal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 19:52 wishr wrote:

If anything, you guys should PLAY first, THEN judge. Because I think most of you just see the proposed changes and say "WELL FUCK THIS GUYS YOU SUCK!"
Way to bring constructive criticism, guys.

Just listen to this guy - he knows something u dont...


yeah he knows how to mix up different posts and add insults where none were in the first place!

He just has his own way of saying that people are narrow-minded, which is true, people are very very narrow-minded.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
October 03 2013 11:17 GMT
#65
yup 1.75>1.25 is about 50% nerf for the splash ratio.
just a little bit %_%
i doubt who taught david math
Incredible Miracle
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
October 03 2013 11:25 GMT
#66
On October 03 2013 20:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 20:01 Naphal wrote:
On October 03 2013 19:52 wishr wrote:

If anything, you guys should PLAY first, THEN judge. Because I think most of you just see the proposed changes and say "WELL FUCK THIS GUYS YOU SUCK!"
Way to bring constructive criticism, guys.

Just listen to this guy - he knows something u dont...


yeah he knows how to mix up different posts and add insults where none were in the first place!

He just has his own way of saying that people are narrow-minded, which is true, people are very very narrow-minded.


i see another unit made worthless, and i see slight buffs to things that were not viable in WoL and get even harder destroyed in HotS, i call that me being realistic, not narrowminded, and any positive expectation is delusional, not openminded.
wishr
Profile Joined February 2012
Russian Federation262 Posts
October 03 2013 11:25 GMT
#67
On October 03 2013 20:17 winthrop wrote:
yup 1.75>1.25 is about 50% nerf for the splash ratio.
just a little bit %_%
i doubt who taught david math

Did u already played a test map? upload a replay for us then.
* Only girls complain about balance! *
MrLightning
Profile Joined September 2013
306 Posts
October 03 2013 11:33 GMT
#68
On October 03 2013 19:58 dreamseller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 18:38 SalvationII wrote:
Wow, nobody sees that this buffs/nerfs especially weaken protoss..

Tank buff will softcounter immortals more


one of the most ridiculous statements and most revealing of a new player i've seen in a long time


Perhaps than you should educate the new player instead of shutting him down? The malice and superiority complex in you post is sickening. Just because the guy is defending Protoss is no reason to be dismissive and mean to him.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
October 03 2013 11:33 GMT
#69
On October 03 2013 20:25 Naphal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 20:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On October 03 2013 20:01 Naphal wrote:
On October 03 2013 19:52 wishr wrote:

If anything, you guys should PLAY first, THEN judge. Because I think most of you just see the proposed changes and say "WELL FUCK THIS GUYS YOU SUCK!"
Way to bring constructive criticism, guys.

Just listen to this guy - he knows something u dont...


yeah he knows how to mix up different posts and add insults where none were in the first place!

He just has his own way of saying that people are narrow-minded, which is true, people are very very narrow-minded.


i see another unit made worthless, and i see slight buffs to things that were not viable in WoL and get even harder destroyed in HotS, i call that me being realistic, not narrowminded, and any positive expectation is delusional, not openminded.

I've never said that you are narrow-minded, and as far as I saw, he didn't point finger on you either, he is generalizing, that is true, but he is mostly right, people tend to scream and whine a lot before they even test things out.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
MasterDrone
Profile Joined January 2013
France50 Posts
October 03 2013 11:36 GMT
#70
Guys, seriously go play it for at least 3-4 days before posting any whine...
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 11:39:56
October 03 2013 11:38 GMT
#71
On October 03 2013 19:58 dreamseller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 18:38 SalvationII wrote:
Wow, nobody sees that this buffs/nerfs especially weaken protoss..

Tank buff will softcounter immortals more


one of the most ridiculous statements and most revealing of a new player i've seen in a long time



too bad he is spot on because obviously P comes out worse than than both P/Z.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
October 03 2013 11:41 GMT
#72
On October 03 2013 18:44 Sissors wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 18:38 SalvationII wrote:
Wow, nobody sees that this buffs/nerfs especially weaken protoss..

Tank buff will softcounter immortals more, that means that lategame mec armies (if the terran gets to it, its not easy, but IF) are even stronger overall, because of the quicker attack. With Ghosts in a mec army, which shoots quicker.. Horror :'(

Tanks softcountering immortals? Lol. Immortals still hardcounter tanks. And even stronger lategame mech army? Toss should have no problem countering a lategame mech army.

Show nested quote +
TvZ will be ugly too, 3/3 vikings vs a zerg in the 20 minute, while the Zerg is just getting his first air upgrades for their corrupter. So Air switches will be very easy in longer termed macro games. And the air fights will always be in the terran's favour if he went for mec. So we are going to see diehard timings of the zerg to try to end the game before the terran will switch to air. Btw. Vipers will die more easily now :D

Still not before they cast blinding cloud and the mech player loses.

And yeah when going mech and losing horribly you have better vikings. But vikings are still fairly bad against ultras (see also the HotS trailer), and a zerg can switch to air very fast.

Ghost counters immortals.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3692 Posts
October 03 2013 11:50 GMT
#73
On October 03 2013 11:50 mishimaBeef wrote:
I wish he would clarify on 'some really cool micro potential'.


Watch effort vs flash from the mlg vs proleague invitational
Burrow movement has soooo much potentiel, from basically blink microing your roaches (which would probably take like 400 apm but still) to getting away from ffs similiar to how t can pick up in medivacs or even sneaking small roach hitsquads into bases while they are burrowed and getting out. Roach burrowed movement has sooo much potential.
OneSpeed
Profile Joined June 2012
Norway47 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 11:55:36
October 03 2013 11:52 GMT
#74
We gotta use tanks with mines together? GREAT....... they added more micro for Terran T_T now you gotta siege/unsiege + burrow/unburrow your units everytime u think your opponent is threatning to attack T_T. Way to kill Terrans off. This is the last thing we needed micro wise.

And not to mention faster tanks will lead to mech-only TvTs which sucks for bio players like myself.
I only got one speed
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 12:03:02
October 03 2013 12:02 GMT
#75
Here's a replay of my attempt at optimising a burrow roach rush vs terran.

In the hands of a pro this will be pretty sick, time to make ravens in TvZ!
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
October 03 2013 12:05 GMT
#76
This makes me sad, nerf an ultra aggressive style and pidgeonhole Terran's to using tanks. What's the point of limiting options? It's not like pros were really having a hard time anymore dealing with WM's.
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
October 03 2013 12:07 GMT
#77
If they want to make the oracle a longterm harass unit they should nerf it's potential for getting quick wins. Straight up buffing it is just a bad idea.

Having combined upgrades for terran is also a bad idea especially in tvt where the mech player will then always have the better air upgrades.

The siege tank buff does not make up for the mine nerf at all. Siege tanks don't do enough damage and it doesn't make enough of a difference that they do hit a bit faster.
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
October 03 2013 12:08 GMT
#78
On October 03 2013 21:05 Chaggi wrote:
This makes me sad, nerf an ultra aggressive style and pidgeonhole Terran's to using tanks. What's the point of limiting options? It's not like pros were really having a hard time anymore dealing with WM's.


Sorry, you are probably the only one that still believes that Starcraft 2 as an action game is better then Starcraft 2 as an real-time strategy game. Even developers are acknowledging this. You might want to rethink you attitude.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 12:15:24
October 03 2013 12:14 GMT
#79
On October 03 2013 20:01 Naphal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 19:52 wishr wrote:

If anything, you guys should PLAY first, THEN judge. Because I think most of you just see the proposed changes and say "WELL FUCK THIS GUYS YOU SUCK!"
Way to bring constructive criticism, guys.

Just listen to this guy - he knows something u dont...


yeah he knows how to mix up different posts and add insults where none were in the first place!


The word "Guys" and the phrase "You guys" should show you that I wasn't referring to the quote anymore. Or do you think I talk to you when I say "You guys"?!

I just see people say the changes are bad without even playing ONE GAME. That is NOT what this map was made for. It's "Call to action", not "Call to whine".
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
October 03 2013 12:16 GMT
#80
On October 03 2013 21:08 Everlong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 21:05 Chaggi wrote:
This makes me sad, nerf an ultra aggressive style and pidgeonhole Terran's to using tanks. What's the point of limiting options? It's not like pros were really having a hard time anymore dealing with WM's.


Sorry, you are probably the only one that still believes that Starcraft 2 as an action game is better then Starcraft 2 as an real-time strategy game. Even developers are acknowledging this. You might want to rethink you attitude.


This literally makes no sense. I'm sorry I want more options to play my race.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 14 15 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
10:00
Season 5: Playoffs Day 1
herO vs SHINLIVE!
Tasteless741
Ryung 516
IntoTheiNu 512
TKL 155
IndyStarCraft 86
CranKy Ducklings80
Rex70
3DClanTV 29
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 687
Ryung 488
TKL 161
IndyStarCraft 77
Rex 69
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 5180
Horang2 1448
firebathero 1298
Jaedong 663
Hyuk 512
BeSt 307
EffOrt 283
Mini 227
Snow 198
Light 182
[ Show more ]
actioN 182
scan(afreeca) 176
Soulkey 152
ggaemo 139
Soma 108
ZerO 99
ToSsGirL 64
Liquid`Ret 49
Backho 48
hero 44
Mind 44
Rush 42
Sexy 40
Shinee 35
sorry 28
Sacsri 23
Movie 22
910 21
soO 20
Shine 20
Bale 19
yabsab 14
Barracks 11
JulyZerg 8
zelot 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 6
Last 0
Dota 2
Gorgc2592
League of Legends
JimRising 370
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2491
shoxiejesuss1235
allub159
markeloff112
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King92
Westballz18
Other Games
gofns21871
singsing1950
DeMusliM265
monkeys_forever210
crisheroes193
Lowko154
B2W.Neo127
byalli111
XcaliburYe74
ZerO(Twitch)11
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL22256
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 23
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 37
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco2176
• iopq 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1023
Upcoming Events
OSC
2h
Big Brain Bouts
5h
sebesdes vs Iba
Percival vs YoungYakov
Reynor vs GgMaChine
Korean StarCraft League
16h
RSL Revival
23h
Clem vs Rogue
Bunny vs Lambo
IPSL
1d 5h
Dewalt vs nOmaD
Ret vs Cross
BSL
1d 8h
Bonyth vs Doodle
Dewalt vs TerrOr
GSL
1d 21h
Cure vs herO
SHIN vs Maru
IPSL
2 days
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
BSL
2 days
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
GSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-13
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.