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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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fried_rice
198 Posts
On October 11 2013 04:24 aeroblaster wrote: I'm just going to leave this here. Game played on 8 Oct 2013. So you post a video of Terran losing with the "unbeatable" TvZ mech? Are you completely dense? | ||
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pmp10
3315 Posts
On October 11 2013 04:24 DusTerr wrote: The real issue regarding mech is rebuilding. Every other composition can rebuild quicker than mech. Terran production is expensive. Combine that with the ability If blizzard really wanted to make mech viable they should combine ground upgrades at the eng. bay (no other race has to pay gas to get the structure for ground upgrades - protoss not even for air). Armory needed for +2 and air upgrades. We might not ever see pure mech in sc2 but at least in this scenario we might see bio mech armies of various types in each match. I really don't understand this mech upgrade obsession. Mech doesn't work at pro level because of specific timings that come before upgrades take effect or critical mass of tanks gets build. One less upgrade to research certainly cannot hurt but until those few weaknesses get resolved it will remain as a 'surprise strategy' at best. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 11 2013 04:26 See.Blue wrote: If 'Unbeatable' were a physical thing, avilo would be located in the corner of the universe furthest from it. I am not telling about it being unbeatable or something. I am just talking about this stephano-SHs-boringness-level-strategy | ||
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aeroblaster
United States422 Posts
On October 11 2013 04:31 fried_rice wrote: So you post a video of Terran losing with the "unbeatable" TvZ mech? Are you completely dense? The point is a Zerg with 10,000 minerals & gas can't do anything to to kill the Terran. Eventually the Zerg wins because the Terran gave up. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 11 2013 02:52 Qikz wrote: The thing is, bio/mine is so good and the fact bio is standard in pretty much all three matchups still due to how versatile it is, nobody at the pro level is ever going to bother with mech. I've never understood how or why the hell they made Bio more cost efficient than mech. It's never made sense to me and it annoyed me to the point I just quit the game x_x Bio is not more cost effective in TvT... The reason mech sucks in vZ and vP is because tanks get hard countered but units like the immortal, vipers. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
On October 11 2013 05:29 aeroblaster wrote: The point is a Zerg with 10,000 minerals & gas can't do anything to to kill the Terran. Eventually the Zerg wins because the Terran gave up. lol i checked out the game and couldn't find the major engagement that terran lost... so i went to halfway thru the vid and destiny has the whole map and terran is turtling... to me he's already lost so there's not much to discuss... also destiny probably didn't know how to finish sooner | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 11 2013 22:52 mishimaBeef wrote: lol i checked out the game and couldn't find the major engagement that terran lost... so i went to halfway thru the vid and destiny has the whole map and terran is turtling... to me he's already lost so there's not much to discuss... also destiny probably didn't know how to finish sooner Yet it took 2 hours to break him. And believe it or not, there is no other way to finish it sooner without actually ending up without money against deathball. | ||
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ETisME
12385 Posts
On October 11 2013 07:39 plogamer wrote: You can't talk about balance at top Korean level and still use thorzain and avilo as examples of "unbeatable" Terran mech comps. Sorry but a korean-level Zerg or Protoss will have taken over the entire map and/or pulled apart such slow army. The only thing that is balancing this is the difficulty of getting the deathball out. But the point remains: Should there exist a deathball that is so cost efficient? Aka should there really be a kill him before he gets the deathball or you lose no matter what? A deathball that isn't quite beatable? This is of cause a theoretical question only. But I have no doubt we will see some of these raven mech builds if mech is more viable, this is why I wrote a blog on this issue during the beta | ||
Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On October 12 2013 02:31 ETisME wrote: The only thing that is balancing this is the difficulty of getting the deathball out. But the point remains: Should there exist a deathball that is so cost efficient? Aka should there really be a kill him before he gets the deathball or you lose no matter what? A deathball that isn't quite beatable? This is of cause a theoretical question only. But I have no doubt we will see some of these raven mech builds if mech is more viable, this is why I wrote a blog on this issue during the beta A) Yes, as it adds variety to the game B) No, but the deathball be more cost efficient than what you have. You should have to use multiple armies or the absoloute perfect engagement to take it out. The issue I have is that Bio is more cost efficient due to it's speed/mobility and just general repopulating than mech is when mech should be, cost for cost and power for power more effective at fighting ground armies. It just isn't. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On October 11 2013 22:58 lolfail9001 wrote: Yet it took 2 hours to break him. And believe it or not, there is no other way to finish it sooner without actually ending up without money against deathball. You do realize that was one of the first few games Destiny was playing, and maybe the first game Destiny played against a Mech Terran since HoTS came out and he was asking the chat for advice on what to do because he had no idea right? To let it get to that point means Destiny didn't hit the timings he was supposed to, to stop mech from getting to that stage and it takes a stupid amount of time to get to that stage. | ||
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ETisME
12385 Posts
On October 12 2013 09:51 Chaggi wrote: You do realize that was one of the first few games Destiny was playing, and maybe the first game Destiny played against a Mech Terran since HoTS came out and he was asking the chat for advice on what to do because he had no idea right? To let it get to that point means Destiny didn't hit the timings he was supposed to, to stop mech from getting to that stage and it takes a stupid amount of time to get to that stage. He was asking in chat because he has all the economy in the world and still can't crack the turtling. No one has any idea how to break that defense. In my opinion, zerg just lacks a tool which makes it an awkward position where crazy economy and remax ability still can't do much. It takes a ridiculously large amount of time to have all these economy and tech for Zerg too, lol | ||
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