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Canada16217 Posts
On October 03 2013 01:51 braller wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 01:48 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:44 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:38 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:33 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:25 romanianthunder wrote:
"FXO has judged that StarCraft2 is no longer useful for giving their company exposure, and informed us they are ceasing their support because StarCraft is not doing well."
this is actually a serious issue.if sponsors will nolt come then teams will cease to exist since no money wll be available.and since the news the eg is cutting player salaries this type of thing might happen in the foreign scene in the near future.The next wcs season will be vital if studio only play is not introduced to let only people interested in the scene participate the already bleeding foreign scene will crumble.
@nosec
the only players the wcs is good for is the washed up koreans that can not make it in korea anymore and run to foreign wcs to take money from foreigners.those over the hill players leech the scene and lower the viewership.the top korean players earn far less money since winning the gsl and osl will not equate with a large prize like in ther past.Also the na and eu players can not make a living out of playing sc2 due to the fact that the washed up korean spend all year training in a korean teamhouse and then come to na and eu for a couple to days to take the money. That's completely incorrect,they move to NA/EU because they are smart even if you have a 40% chance to win WCS KR why stay there when you have better odds somewhere else? nope you are incorrect."smart" in this case means trianing in a korean teamhouse and then playing again foreigners who do not have teamhouse or if they do they are not as professional as the korean ones.And none of the koreans who are currently in the wcs na and eu would make it past the group stages in korea:MC,duckdeok,mvp,mma,hyun,polt,byul,hack,oz,apocalypse,hack,heart,forgg,genius,stardust stand exactly 0% chance of passing the group stages of the gsl or osl.This is why they ran form korea in the frst place.They ran not because they were winning anything.They ran once they became washed up. You didn't watch the last 2 season finals did you? i did. what does it have to do anything i said? You said that none of the koreans in WCS NA or EU would make it past the group stages in the GSL, but several GSL players were outperformed by WCS NA/EU players at Season Finals. Also, Taeja is probably the best player in the world right now and he plays in WCS NA and not in a teamhouse, so yeah...
I was writing something long and extensive but yeah you said it shorter and easier ^^
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On October 03 2013 01:51 braller wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 01:48 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:44 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:38 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:33 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:25 romanianthunder wrote:
"FXO has judged that StarCraft2 is no longer useful for giving their company exposure, and informed us they are ceasing their support because StarCraft is not doing well."
this is actually a serious issue.if sponsors will nolt come then teams will cease to exist since no money wll be available.and since the news the eg is cutting player salaries this type of thing might happen in the foreign scene in the near future.The next wcs season will be vital if studio only play is not introduced to let only people interested in the scene participate the already bleeding foreign scene will crumble.
@nosec
the only players the wcs is good for is the washed up koreans that can not make it in korea anymore and run to foreign wcs to take money from foreigners.those over the hill players leech the scene and lower the viewership.the top korean players earn far less money since winning the gsl and osl will not equate with a large prize like in ther past.Also the na and eu players can not make a living out of playing sc2 due to the fact that the washed up korean spend all year training in a korean teamhouse and then come to na and eu for a couple to days to take the money. That's completely incorrect,they move to NA/EU because they are smart even if you have a 40% chance to win WCS KR why stay there when you have better odds somewhere else? nope you are incorrect."smart" in this case means trianing in a korean teamhouse and then playing again foreigners who do not have teamhouse or if they do they are not as professional as the korean ones.And none of the koreans who are currently in the wcs na and eu would make it past the group stages in korea:MC,duckdeok,mvp,mma,hyun,polt,byul,hack,oz,apocalypse,hack,heart,forgg,genius,stardust stand exactly 0% chance of passing the group stages of the gsl or osl.This is why they ran form korea in the frst place.They ran not because they were winning anything.They ran once they became washed up. You didn't watch the last 2 season finals did you? i did. what does it have to do anything i said? You said that none of the koreans in WCS NA or EU would make it past the group stages in the GSL, but several GSL players were outperformed by WCS NA/EU players at Season Finals. Also, Taeja is probably the best player in the world right now and he plays in WCS NA and not in a teamhouse, so yeah...
wrong.because in the season finals you meet weaker players than in the korean wcs where you meet top players from the top korean teams constantly.korea only sends to the season finals a couple of players out of the many good ones.washed up koreans playing in the wcs eu/na usually have good results against themselves and also because they have extensive tournament experience playing in foreign tournaments.Give a foreigner the same shot and they will give the same results.if they are so good they can play in wcs korea where many of them have never won anything in months or even years or maybe never.Oh I forget it is harder to meet the best koreans constantly then once a year,
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Interesting dynamic between what people say and think before and after situations arise. A year or two ago we were having "issues" or complaints with too many tournaments and not having the ability to have "real" champions, since the big dog was whoever won the next tournament, being 1 out of at least 4 or 5. Combined with all the small events, it seemed like there were too many to keep track of. Now with WCS cutting back on a lot of these events and honing on to a few tournaments that lead up to a grand finale, we're having issues with not enough tournaments to keep the small guys alive.
Sometimes it's hard to remember the most vocal opinions may still not be the most popular.
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Stuff would of been much worse if Blizzard had not made WCS, I will tell you that :/ Stop bitching
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Canada16217 Posts
On October 03 2013 01:56 romanianthunder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 01:51 braller wrote:On October 03 2013 01:48 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:44 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:38 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:33 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:25 romanianthunder wrote:
"FXO has judged that StarCraft2 is no longer useful for giving their company exposure, and informed us they are ceasing their support because StarCraft is not doing well."
this is actually a serious issue.if sponsors will nolt come then teams will cease to exist since no money wll be available.and since the news the eg is cutting player salaries this type of thing might happen in the foreign scene in the near future.The next wcs season will be vital if studio only play is not introduced to let only people interested in the scene participate the already bleeding foreign scene will crumble.
@nosec
the only players the wcs is good for is the washed up koreans that can not make it in korea anymore and run to foreign wcs to take money from foreigners.those over the hill players leech the scene and lower the viewership.the top korean players earn far less money since winning the gsl and osl will not equate with a large prize like in ther past.Also the na and eu players can not make a living out of playing sc2 due to the fact that the washed up korean spend all year training in a korean teamhouse and then come to na and eu for a couple to days to take the money. That's completely incorrect,they move to NA/EU because they are smart even if you have a 40% chance to win WCS KR why stay there when you have better odds somewhere else? nope you are incorrect."smart" in this case means trianing in a korean teamhouse and then playing again foreigners who do not have teamhouse or if they do they are not as professional as the korean ones.And none of the koreans who are currently in the wcs na and eu would make it past the group stages in korea:MC,duckdeok,mvp,mma,hyun,polt,byul,hack,oz,apocalypse,hack,heart,forgg,genius,stardust stand exactly 0% chance of passing the group stages of the gsl or osl.This is why they ran form korea in the frst place.They ran not because they were winning anything.They ran once they became washed up. You didn't watch the last 2 season finals did you? i did. what does it have to do anything i said? You said that none of the koreans in WCS NA or EU would make it past the group stages in the GSL, but several GSL players were outperformed by WCS NA/EU players at Season Finals. Also, Taeja is probably the best player in the world right now and he plays in WCS NA and not in a teamhouse, so yeah... wrong.because in the season finals you meet weaker players than in the korean wcs where you meet top players from the top korean teams constantly.korea only sends to the season finals a couple of players out of the many good ones.washed up koreans playing in the wcs eu/na usually have good results against themselves and also because they have extensive tournament experience playing in foreign tournaments.Give a foreigner the same shot and they will give the same results.if they are so good they can play in wcs korea where many of them have never won anything in months or even years or maybe never.Oh I forget it is harder to meet the best koreans constantly then once a year,
You're just making excuses.
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This is true but I feel there is a balance to be struck so that the scene doesn't die and yet there is still champions being established......
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They really need to change WCS system for sure, because this system iso complicated for viewers, especially for me.
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On October 03 2013 01:47 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 01:35 Baroninthetree wrote:On October 03 2013 00:24 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 03 2013 00:20 1Dhalism wrote:
I agree with what Fionn said, but that isn't the worst thing. The worst thing is that the local champions don't qualify for Blizzcon. I can deal with champions being beat down at 'grand slams.' It stands to reason that the skill level is close. But the fact that champions don't qualify for Blizzcon automatically means that those local championships dont mean shit even in the eyes of Blizzrd.
Other than that, it's obvious that WCS replaced GSL/OSL because the latter ran out of money. So WCS saved SC2.
But it's also obvious that Blizzard are interested in only dragging this out until LOTV comes out. If they cared about esports they would've grown local scenes the way RIOT or Valve do. But regionlocking WCS US would mean lower immediate skill level, and lower views, and that would mean lower marketing value for LOTV. Lower skill level doesn't have to mean lower viewership. Look at the LCS as a model. LCS NA could accurately be described as having the lowest level of skill of the regions, and yet it has extremely high viewer counts. I don't have the answer as to why, but I feel that saying that Lower skill means low viewer counts isn't necessarily true. Its how LOL does. Nobody cares about the skill level in LoL. The locals always own the viewship. Just look at the viewer number decline during group stage to bracket stage. Besides, LoL is not that an competitive game anyway. The winner not necessary means the best skill, at least that what most believes. Are you saying that for a game to be competitive, it has to be heavily skill-based? I mean sure, there's a correlation, but saying LoL is not a competitive game is straight up delusion. I seriously hate LoL don't get me wrong, but even I have to admit it is a competitive game, and the biggest one currently around at that. LoL is actually the one game which has the perfect mix right now, it caters to casuals and manages to be an astounding success as a competitive game. At all times of the day, LoL has 50+ viewers on twitch, culminating at 400k+ during LCS. It may not be the most skill intensive game out there, but it definitely crushed SC2 as far as exposure is concerned, and it is constantly growing as an e-sport. Anyone who claims LoL is not a competitive game or isn't suited for e-sport only has to look at the numbers and the sheer enthusiasm for the LCS to be proven wrong.
You are right. It is a good competitive game. What I mean is that it's not a skill based professional game like tennis, golf or MMA.
People share the triumph of local team far far more than the best team in the world. That's why the region lock works so well.
Besides, the skill lever aren't that different across the region.
Unfortunately, sc2 has become more like those professional games, where the best players owns. Therefore, the same region lock simply won't work for sc2 coz we want to see the best players. And hence we lost those regionalism fanboy which is the majority. That's the dilemma sc2 is facing and I don't see a solution unless the "Korean talent" doesn't exist anymore.
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I understand he's pissy about the format and lack of proper support, but he Choya sort of fucked himself over when he didn't listen to his superior's when they were asked to do more to market their players to attract sponsors and show FXO their worth. You don't listen and of course they're going to pull the plug or go in a different direction.
Nov there is validity to the guy's criticism. It actually goes both ways. You choose to see the glass half full; the other guy chooses to see the glass half empty.
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On October 03 2013 01:58 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 01:56 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:51 braller wrote:On October 03 2013 01:48 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:44 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:38 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:33 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:25 romanianthunder wrote:
"FXO has judged that StarCraft2 is no longer useful for giving their company exposure, and informed us they are ceasing their support because StarCraft is not doing well."
this is actually a serious issue.if sponsors will nolt come then teams will cease to exist since no money wll be available.and since the news the eg is cutting player salaries this type of thing might happen in the foreign scene in the near future.The next wcs season will be vital if studio only play is not introduced to let only people interested in the scene participate the already bleeding foreign scene will crumble.
@nosec
the only players the wcs is good for is the washed up koreans that can not make it in korea anymore and run to foreign wcs to take money from foreigners.those over the hill players leech the scene and lower the viewership.the top korean players earn far less money since winning the gsl and osl will not equate with a large prize like in ther past.Also the na and eu players can not make a living out of playing sc2 due to the fact that the washed up korean spend all year training in a korean teamhouse and then come to na and eu for a couple to days to take the money. That's completely incorrect,they move to NA/EU because they are smart even if you have a 40% chance to win WCS KR why stay there when you have better odds somewhere else? nope you are incorrect."smart" in this case means trianing in a korean teamhouse and then playing again foreigners who do not have teamhouse or if they do they are not as professional as the korean ones.And none of the koreans who are currently in the wcs na and eu would make it past the group stages in korea:MC,duckdeok,mvp,mma,hyun,polt,byul,hack,oz,apocalypse,hack,heart,forgg,genius,stardust stand exactly 0% chance of passing the group stages of the gsl or osl.This is why they ran form korea in the frst place.They ran not because they were winning anything.They ran once they became washed up. You didn't watch the last 2 season finals did you? i did. what does it have to do anything i said? You said that none of the koreans in WCS NA or EU would make it past the group stages in the GSL, but several GSL players were outperformed by WCS NA/EU players at Season Finals. Also, Taeja is probably the best player in the world right now and he plays in WCS NA and not in a teamhouse, so yeah... wrong.because in the season finals you meet weaker players than in the korean wcs where you meet top players from the top korean teams constantly.korea only sends to the season finals a couple of players out of the many good ones.washed up koreans playing in the wcs eu/na usually have good results against themselves and also because they have extensive tournament experience playing in foreign tournaments.Give a foreigner the same shot and they will give the same results.if they are so good they can play in wcs korea where many of them have never won anything in months or even years or maybe never.Oh I forget it is harder to meet the best koreans constantly then once a year, You're just making excuses.
nope its true.the only reason you do not notice it is because region lock was never given a chance in sc2 and foreigners never developed/just look at a game which also dominates korea and has region lock:league of legends.KOreans are also seen there as the best in the world and imba and guess what happened at this world championships?Out of the 3 korean teams one could not even make it out of the group stages,beign beaten by european teams and another one finished its group in second place being a chinesse team(albeit they are in the final now).This is what happens when koreans aren't aloud to swarm a tournament.They get only 1 spot in the finals.No total dominance.
@starstruck
so let me get this straight.He has to:train the team,bring money from his own pocket to support the team and be their pr guy?don't you think you are asking a bit too much form any human being?And btw where does choiya get the money to support the team?Does he have a part time job or is it his family money.lol.
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This is true people are more willing to cheer for their team than cheer for the "Best" Player. Think about Foot ball in the USA are you going to root for Greenbay packers if you live in NJ? Most likely not you will either root for Eagles or Giants or Jets depending on what part of NJ you are from. Region lock will give you that opportunity to root for "your" Player in coming to things like blizzcon and WCS events and just major tournaments in general. So really it should be a Semi Lock only for tournaments that are like WCS NA because why should I care to watch if WCS NA is going to be exactly like WCS EU or WCS KR? They all end up with having Koreans playin gin the final 4........ so its like watching the same tournament every time which is seeming to deter people away.Unless you have watched the scene and have picked a favorite korean your fav player will most likely not even be seen in the RO32....... We need hometown hero's!
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WCS almost killed NASL and it is the reason for MLG not having SC2 events. It is sad that it came to a Korean to state the obvious. Apparently the foreign teams are too corporate now. Good job! GL having it for few more years.
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On October 03 2013 02:09 romanianthunder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 01:58 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:56 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:51 braller wrote:On October 03 2013 01:48 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:44 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:38 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:33 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:25 romanianthunder wrote:
"FXO has judged that StarCraft2 is no longer useful for giving their company exposure, and informed us they are ceasing their support because StarCraft is not doing well."
this is actually a serious issue.if sponsors will nolt come then teams will cease to exist since no money wll be available.and since the news the eg is cutting player salaries this type of thing might happen in the foreign scene in the near future.The next wcs season will be vital if studio only play is not introduced to let only people interested in the scene participate the already bleeding foreign scene will crumble.
@nosec
the only players the wcs is good for is the washed up koreans that can not make it in korea anymore and run to foreign wcs to take money from foreigners.those over the hill players leech the scene and lower the viewership.the top korean players earn far less money since winning the gsl and osl will not equate with a large prize like in ther past.Also the na and eu players can not make a living out of playing sc2 due to the fact that the washed up korean spend all year training in a korean teamhouse and then come to na and eu for a couple to days to take the money. That's completely incorrect,they move to NA/EU because they are smart even if you have a 40% chance to win WCS KR why stay there when you have better odds somewhere else? nope you are incorrect."smart" in this case means trianing in a korean teamhouse and then playing again foreigners who do not have teamhouse or if they do they are not as professional as the korean ones.And none of the koreans who are currently in the wcs na and eu would make it past the group stages in korea:MC,duckdeok,mvp,mma,hyun,polt,byul,hack,oz,apocalypse,hack,heart,forgg,genius,stardust stand exactly 0% chance of passing the group stages of the gsl or osl.This is why they ran form korea in the frst place.They ran not because they were winning anything.They ran once they became washed up. You didn't watch the last 2 season finals did you? i did. what does it have to do anything i said? You said that none of the koreans in WCS NA or EU would make it past the group stages in the GSL, but several GSL players were outperformed by WCS NA/EU players at Season Finals. Also, Taeja is probably the best player in the world right now and he plays in WCS NA and not in a teamhouse, so yeah... wrong.because in the season finals you meet weaker players than in the korean wcs where you meet top players from the top korean teams constantly.korea only sends to the season finals a couple of players out of the many good ones.washed up koreans playing in the wcs eu/na usually have good results against themselves and also because they have extensive tournament experience playing in foreign tournaments.Give a foreigner the same shot and they will give the same results.if they are so good they can play in wcs korea where many of them have never won anything in months or even years or maybe never.Oh I forget it is harder to meet the best koreans constantly then once a year, You're just making excuses. nope its true.the only reason you do not notice it is because region lock was never given a chance in sc2 and foreigners never developed/just look at a game which also dominates korea and has region lock:league of legends.KOreans are also seen there as the best in the world and imba and guess what happened at this world championships?Out of the 3 korean teams one could not even make it out of the group stages,beign beaten by european teams and another one finished its group in second place being a chinesse team(albeit they are in the final now).This is what happens when koreans aren't aloud to swarm a tournament.They get only 1 spot in the finals.No total dominance.
Okay now that is bullshit. The recent patch and Samsung didn't show up to play. That's why everyone is knocking Dade. In any case it's going to be a stomp for the Koreans. We already seen what the Chinese did to EU and the same thing would have happened if it was NA. The bracket/format for Riot's World's is one of the most ridiculous formats we've ever seen. It's really, really bad when it comes to formatting so please don't bring that up again.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 03 2013 02:09 romanianthunder wrote:
nope its true.the only reason you do not notice it is because region lock was never given a chance in sc2 and foreigners never developed/just look at a game which also dominates korea and has region lock:league of legends.KOreans are also seen there as the best in the world and imba and guess what happened at this world championships?Out of the 3 korean teams one could not even make it out of the group stages,beign beaten by european teams and another one finished its group in second place being a chinesse team(albeit they are in the final now).This is what happens when koreans aren't aloud to swarm a tournament.They get only 1 spot in the finals.No total dominance.
WCS 2012. 3 top places = 3 out of 6 (or so) koreans. Pfft, da hell is with my quotes.
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On October 03 2013 02:09 romanianthunder wrote:
@starstruck
so let me get this straight.He has to:train the team,bring money from his own pocket to support the team and be their pr guy?don't you think you are asking a bit too much form any human being?And btw where does choiya get the money to support the team?Does he have a part time job or is it his family money.lol.
I'm assuming you never read FXOBoSs' blogs let alone FXOunstable's take on the situation. The Korean division did nothing to help their situation. AT ALL. That's why they're getting cut off, so please stop being ignorant about the situation. This has nothing to do what Choya did with the team in the past. They got the FXO support and did very little to make their sponsors let alone FXO investments happy. If you do nothing to market the players and the product you're supposed to be pushing then you shouldn't be shocked when you get off to funding.
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Just to add to that what would you rather watch 2 players that you don't know that are completely even matched that you know coming into the fight and they just duke it out and it be 50% chance of winning or Rooting for an underdog from your hometown that just destroys the competition in a 100 to 1 odds?
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On October 03 2013 02:12 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 02:09 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:58 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:56 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:51 braller wrote:On October 03 2013 01:48 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:44 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:38 romanianthunder wrote:On October 03 2013 01:33 NovemberstOrm wrote:On October 03 2013 01:25 romanianthunder wrote:
"FXO has judged that StarCraft2 is no longer useful for giving their company exposure, and informed us they are ceasing their support because StarCraft is not doing well."
this is actually a serious issue.if sponsors will nolt come then teams will cease to exist since no money wll be available.and since the news the eg is cutting player salaries this type of thing might happen in the foreign scene in the near future.The next wcs season will be vital if studio only play is not introduced to let only people interested in the scene participate the already bleeding foreign scene will crumble.
@nosec
the only players the wcs is good for is the washed up koreans that can not make it in korea anymore and run to foreign wcs to take money from foreigners.those over the hill players leech the scene and lower the viewership.the top korean players earn far less money since winning the gsl and osl will not equate with a large prize like in ther past.Also the na and eu players can not make a living out of playing sc2 due to the fact that the washed up korean spend all year training in a korean teamhouse and then come to na and eu for a couple to days to take the money. That's completely incorrect,they move to NA/EU because they are smart even if you have a 40% chance to win WCS KR why stay there when you have better odds somewhere else? nope you are incorrect."smart" in this case means trianing in a korean teamhouse and then playing again foreigners who do not have teamhouse or if they do they are not as professional as the korean ones.And none of the koreans who are currently in the wcs na and eu would make it past the group stages in korea:MC,duckdeok,mvp,mma,hyun,polt,byul,hack,oz,apocalypse,hack,heart,forgg,genius,stardust stand exactly 0% chance of passing the group stages of the gsl or osl.This is why they ran form korea in the frst place.They ran not because they were winning anything.They ran once they became washed up. You didn't watch the last 2 season finals did you? i did. what does it have to do anything i said? You said that none of the koreans in WCS NA or EU would make it past the group stages in the GSL, but several GSL players were outperformed by WCS NA/EU players at Season Finals. Also, Taeja is probably the best player in the world right now and he plays in WCS NA and not in a teamhouse, so yeah... wrong.because in the season finals you meet weaker players than in the korean wcs where you meet top players from the top korean teams constantly.korea only sends to the season finals a couple of players out of the many good ones.washed up koreans playing in the wcs eu/na usually have good results against themselves and also because they have extensive tournament experience playing in foreign tournaments.Give a foreigner the same shot and they will give the same results.if they are so good they can play in wcs korea where many of them have never won anything in months or even years or maybe never.Oh I forget it is harder to meet the best koreans constantly then once a year, You're just making excuses. nope its true.the only reason you do not notice it is because region lock was never given a chance in sc2 and foreigners never developed/just look at a game which also dominates korea and has region lock:league of legends.KOreans are also seen there as the best in the world and imba and guess what happened at this world championships?Out of the 3 korean teams one could not even make it out of the group stages,beign beaten by european teams and another one finished its group in second place being a chinesse team(albeit they are in the final now).This is what happens when koreans aren't aloud to swarm a tournament.They get only 1 spot in the finals.No total dominance. Okay now that is bullshit. The recent patch and Samsung didn't show up to play. That's why everyone is knocking Dade. In any case it's going to be a stomp for the Koreans. We already seen what the Chinese did to EU and the same thing would have happened if it was NA. The bracket/format for Riot's World's is one of the most ridiculous formats we've ever seen. It's really, really bad when it comes to formatting so please don't bring that up again.
"The recent patch and Samsung didn't show up to play. "
What type is explanation is that?So only mvp ozone receive the patch the other teams were playing on lol clients with different patches?lol.They had the same playing field and were eliminated by european teams(very good ones actually).and sk the team in the final got defeated twice in the group stages by a chinesse team.
"In any case it's going to be a stomp for the Koreans "
no it is already antistomp.1 kr team in the finals out of 3 is not a stomp.a stomp is 15 koreans out of 16 players in wcs ranking like sc2 has.that is a stomp.
" It's really, really bad when it comes to formatting so please don't bring that up again "
the hundreds of thousands of players who watch the group stages and the millions who will watch the final disagree with you.And i do not even like lol.i do not even watch that thing but they have a much better buit scene than sc2.
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I'm okay with Sc2 being downsized if we lose all the people who can't wait to shit on the game every time anything happens.
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On October 03 2013 02:07 StarStruck wrote:
I understand he's pissy about the format and lack of proper support, but he Choya sort of fucked himself over when he didn't listen to his superior's when they were asked to do more to market their players to attract sponsors and show FXO their worth. You don't listen and of course they're going to pull the plug or go in a different direction.
Nov there is validity to the guy's criticism. It actually goes both ways. You choose to see the glass half full; the other guy chooses to see the glass half empty.
This is like exactly it. Even those fans they have, they suck at interacting with (apart from Leenock and JKS). I'm still cheering for FXO because it's Leenocks team but damn have they made it hard. Like the players don't even read their streamchat (apart from Leenock and JKS) when they are streaming :/ Streams becomes a lot more boring when they even read their own chat.
Choya always asks for people to cheer for them. But you actually have to earn fans, not just beg for them. And FXO fucked up massively in that department.
How are people supposed to like you if you don't care about them?
I am probably the most hardcore Leenock fan on TL and even I have some problems rooting for FXO.
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