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FXOpen to stop sponsoring FXO.KR - Page 11

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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
October 02 2013 16:06 GMT
#201
Well, this has been yet another bad news after a series of bad news after bad news.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
October 02 2013 16:06 GMT
#202
Can we get some good news for once regarding team infrastructure? Please?
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
October 02 2013 16:14 GMT
#203
I am not sure if this is bad news in a series of bad news or more just normalizing. Think of it almost like the internet bubble. It came on the scene, seemed great, everyone pumped tons of money into the websites, then a lot of the businesses that weren't really that good or needed or as good as what was already offered failed, the bubble burst. But just because the bubble burst didn't mean there weren't websites making money nor that the internet business was going to disappear.

This is all similar to me. It only seems bad because it was so good. People over invested, and now we are normalizing. It doesn't mean there won't be SC2 teams or competition, but really, did we need 50 teams and 400 pro players? Lets be honest, there were plenty of players over the past year or two who should have enjoyed the fact they were getting paid to play. And the money was stretched to thin around to many players.

I think that a smaller scene, with fewer pros and fewer teams will actually be better. Things need to be consolidated. Sponsor money consolidated. Prize money distributed to fewer players so that the salary can be boosted by prize money.

I'd also like to add that I think we are trying to hard in SC2 to force the "team" structure. In the team structure to many lower level players end up with salaries and pulling money from the team and sponsors that don't pay back. I know it is great for practice partners and team leagues etc, but some of these teams were just flat out bloated. A team probably needs 6 players, 2 of each race. I think we might even see more players just going "solo" with individual sponsors.

I know if I were looking to get into SC2 as a sponsor I'd have no interest in sponsoring a team and trying to fly 5 guys around the globe. I'd want to put all my resources into 1 player, and promote that one player like crazy as the face of my brand. It would be cheaper and probably more exposure for my brand than having to float a B level player.

I don't see this as a bad thing, it is just the scene coming back down to what it can support. The problem is that the high was so high, that this seems like a low instead of just where it should have been in the first place.
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
October 02 2013 16:26 GMT
#204
This is terrible news. FXO.KR has been a mainstay in SC2 since pretty much forever,so hopefully they'll be able to find a new sponsor soon; I'd hate to see them disband.
Mirham
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark44 Posts
October 02 2013 16:33 GMT
#205
Awesome how blizzard tried to make sc2 better, but they did it so amazingly bad that its slowly killing the game, not that i mind. Viva la dota 2!
It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything.
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
October 02 2013 16:48 GMT
#206
Seriously such a great team with no reason to lose their sponsorship.
Glad that they will continue though.
So many things going on in the SC2 scene that have been making me really mad recently.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 02 2013 16:54 GMT
#207
On October 03 2013 01:48 SHOOG wrote:
Seriously such a great team with no reason to lose their sponsorship.
Glad that they will continue though.
So many things going on in the SC2 scene that have been making me really mad recently.

except for when their entire esports staff leaves the company...
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tabeatz
Profile Joined October 2012
United States83 Posts
October 02 2013 16:57 GMT
#208
No good can come from this but I really hope they can survive. They've always had some of my favorite players and such a deep line up.
For the love of the game
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
October 02 2013 17:07 GMT
#209
FXO is a great team, hopefully they can recover in the near future.
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e4e5nf3
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada599 Posts
October 02 2013 17:23 GMT
#210
On October 03 2013 01:33 Mirham wrote:
Awesome how blizzard tried to make sc2 better, but they did it so amazingly bad that its slowly killing the game, not that i mind. Viva la dota 2!


I wouldn't say they made SC2 bad... it's just that we have the gigantic empires of LoL and Dota gobbling up the territory. Even if they made SC2 simply an updated version of BW the numbers would still be in favor of LoL/Dota. People just aren't infatuated with RTS nowadays. They want simple, casual, anxiety free esports and the moba games fulfill that niche.
King takes Queen
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 17:32:12
October 02 2013 17:30 GMT
#211
They want simple, casual, anxiety free esports and the moba games fulfill that niche.


'They' as in humans.
Human beeings like activety before inactive
Human beeings like to improve over unimprove
and so on


Implement these stuff in a rts game, and at the same time make it fun
and people would play it.
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
October 02 2013 17:31 GMT
#212
NOOO fOu plis T_T
rip prime
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
October 02 2013 17:47 GMT
#213
On October 03 2013 02:23 e4e5nf3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 01:33 Mirham wrote:
Awesome how blizzard tried to make sc2 better, but they did it so amazingly bad that its slowly killing the game, not that i mind. Viva la dota 2!


I wouldn't say they made SC2 bad... it's just that we have the gigantic empires of LoL and Dota gobbling up the territory. Even if they made SC2 simply an updated version of BW the numbers would still be in favor of LoL/Dota. People just aren't infatuated with RTS nowadays. They want simple, casual, anxiety free esports and the moba games fulfill that niche.

Do you really think moba games are anxiety free?

I don't know about lol, but Dota isn't anxiety free AT ALL. If you do mistake against mid level opponents you get punished hard. I don't like to play mid because I know I have to accomplish a lot and my mistakes will be even bigger.

People play moba because everyone is playing moba, there was the time of MMORPG and nowadays half of this is desert. You know, people play what everyone plays, I like SC2 but I don't have any friend who plays so I didn't even bought HotS since I knew would be an waste of a lot of money (it is too expensive too )

RaZorwire
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden718 Posts
October 02 2013 18:28 GMT
#214
On October 03 2013 00:28 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 19:32 RaZorwire wrote:
On October 02 2013 14:18 a176 wrote:
gj david kim


Oh shut up. Just shut up. Not liking the balance philosophy of SC2 is one thing, but personally blaming the balance designer for a sponsor leaving its team is fucking absurd. Get some perspective, jesus christ.

This bullshit "David Kim is the root of all evil"-bandwagon that started with oov's interview is already getting old. Do any of you seriously think SC2 would be doing fine in Korea if Blizzard just kept the game unbalanced? If Protoss couldn't compete for two years until some guy figured out how to use DT:s against Swarm Hosts or whatever, the game would be popular? All the sponsors leaving, all the teams disbanding, all the players retiring; all of that can just be laid directly at David Kim's feet, for having the nerve to try and acctually care about the game Blizzard has created and to make sure everyone can compete on a fair battleground?

No.
NO.
Absolutely not.

The reason Korean Starcraft 2 isn't doing well is complex and not something that can be summarized into a single one-liner blaming everything on a balance designer. If you really are interested in knowing what is going on with the Korean Starcraft scene and why the game isn't doing as well as its predecessor, this is a good place to start:



The main point is that BW was essentially free to play, since PC bangs were able to run cracked versions of the game, while SC2 requires you to pay for an account. There are more things to discuss than that, of course, but "David Kim is evil" is not one of them.




Completely off topic but What oov interview? I havent found anything despite my efforts (maybe I just suck at searching )


This one:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430737
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 18:47:46
October 02 2013 18:47 GMT
#215

^
Thanks!




On October 03 2013 01:06 Steins;Gate wrote:
Starcraft just isn't that entertaining to watch (due to the stagnant meta), unless you watch it once in a while. One of the main reasons (I think, well, at least for me) people still watch/follow the scene is because of the hype the players and teams get, not for the game itself. Personally I think that Blizzard should just give each race really imba units and then stop balancing. SC is on a decline right now anyways, might as well leave it be.

Edit: Hope FXO find another big sponsor soon.




thats your personal opinion, personally I love to watch sc2 and Im watching maybe 80% of the tournament games.


people are blaming wcs, DK, DB, koreans, no region lock, lack of content in korea, too much content outside of korea, no f2p, LoL and the list goes on.

But what does any of this matter if the teams cant act as companies? as Ive said before, korean teams are absolutely awful at promoting their sponsors, at being the way of advertising they are supposed to be (EG is the only team that does this well in the whole industry imo).

Anything can be huge with the right marketing, sometimes I wonder if teams actually realize that the number one priority is to sell their product, sell themselves enough for sponsors to Invest!

A region lock would be incredibly stupid in my opinion. If a regions were locked, does anyone realise that in order for koreans not to retire we need at least 3/4th of all the money to go to wcs kr if we want the prizepools to even remotely reflect the skill-level.

As far as the claim about WCS ruining the amount of content in korea goes, Sure the "no rivals allowed"bullshit is incredibly stupid and needs to be removed like yesterday, but its not like korea had a lot of tournaments before WCS, apart from korean weekly and GSL, was there really anything that did attract viewers?

StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
October 02 2013 18:51 GMT
#216
On October 03 2013 01:54 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 01:48 SHOOG wrote:
Seriously such a great team with no reason to lose their sponsorship.
Glad that they will continue though.
So many things going on in the SC2 scene that have been making me really mad recently.

except for when their entire esports staff leaves the company...


and they openly admit that the FXO Korean chapter weren't too cooperative when it came to the business side.
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
October 02 2013 19:58 GMT
#217
I was always curious why an online MT4 trading platform/broker would choose to sponser something as niche as a professional SC2 team. Just nothing about that seems to fit (also wasn't Grubby sponsered by Tradimo for a while?)
IAmHaunteR
Profile Joined May 2013
United States36 Posts
October 02 2013 20:00 GMT
#218
I hope Blizzard is happy with how they're destroying SC2 step-by-step.

The unfortunate casualties keep growing.
"Where I walk, you will die"
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
October 02 2013 20:54 GMT
#219
FXO following the trend. not sure if its blizzard's fault really...
i like cheese
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2107 Posts
October 02 2013 21:07 GMT
#220
On October 03 2013 05:54 Phanekim wrote:
FXO following the trend. not sure if its blizzard's fault really...

Whos fault is it then? Blizzard is obviously pretty bad at managing their product
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