EPTBut I guess that's why BW was only big in Korea and Warcraft 3 took over the rest of the world of RTS.
Ladder Deflation and MMR Decay - Page 7
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
But I guess that's why BW was only big in Korea and Warcraft 3 took over the rest of the world of RTS. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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Slydie
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The only good thing with this is that any promotion is deserved for sure! | ||
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Juice!
Belgium295 Posts
My last solo game was somewhere in last season, havn't played solo in this one. I'm wondering 'caus I recently found some joy again in SC2 and I want to start fresh with a new race, but i imagine starting a new race with my "old" master mmr is going to be a huge pain. So i was/am hoping there is some sort of timer of inactivity (in solo) after which your mmr resets and you get 5 placements all over again (and the possibility to be placed in silver/gold) | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On October 21 2013 16:17 Juice! wrote: About MMR. Does anyone know how long it takes (or how many seasons) for it to reset completely? My last solo game was somewhere in last season, havn't played solo in this one. I'm wondering 'caus I recently found some joy again in SC2 and I want to start fresh with a new race, but i imagine starting a new race with my "old" master mmr is going to be a huge pain. So i was/am hoping there is some sort of timer of inactivity (in solo) after which your mmr resets and you get 5 placements all over again (and the possibility to be placed in silver/gold) in OP: On September 21 2013 07:05 Excalibur_Z wrote: Also note that the existing MMR lookup rule applies: if you are inactive for an entire season (that is, you stop playing in Season n, you play no games--ranked or unranked--during Season n+1, you come back for Season n+2), your MMR is wiped clean. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On October 21 2013 09:09 JustPassingBy wrote: Wow, just had a huge freak of nature. Somehow Bnet thinks it's a good idea to pit me, a high gold player, against a mid master player. Not sure how it happened, but I sure felt like on the receiving end in one of those trollgames... If I'm on the other side of that, and I'm playing unranked, I'll basically always leave unless they BM me. | ||
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Juice!
Belgium295 Posts
Yeah i read that, but it got me wondering, does this apply to 'not play ANY SOLO' or 'not play ANY GAME at all' | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 19 2013 01:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote: You aren't ever going to face gold/plat players ever with 200+ apm. They don't exist in any significant numbers. You are just imagining it. You are silver. Even matches don't feel like they happen.Small differences are blown up to large differences because Silver. Nope  I faced some. Didn't imagined it I'm silver because i switched race. I was plat before (and i didn't have 200+ apm that's for sure. 150 maybe not much more). And when you watch the profile you see "highest rank" sometime master or diamond I'm not imagining it Maybe but luck to have a lot of games against them though because yes i'm sure there's not a whole lot of them. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12269 Posts
On October 21 2013 16:34 Juice! wrote: Yeah i read that, but it got me wondering, does this apply to 'not play ANY SOLO' or 'not play ANY GAME at all' There are two MMR brackets: Arranged Team (but it's separate per team) and 1v1+Random Team. If you want your MMR to reset for a particular bracket then you have to go for a full season without playing any games in that bracket. That means if you want your 1v1 MMR to reset, don't play any 1v1 or Random Team games next season. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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korona
1098 Posts
On October 23 2013 06:10 JustPassingBy wrote: Seriously, as a Gold player I hit three masters players over the course of the last two days I played, none of the game was remotely close and it ended up with them stomping all over me... What on earth is going on, it really is no fun like this. I know I am a bad player, but can't Bnet seed me against other bad players? The matchmaker still works fine, but ... if e.g. a master skill level player has a gold MMR, then the matchmaker thinks he is gold level player. And that player is then matched with other players with similar MMR. MMR is a skill rating, but as the decay mechanism is tampering players' MMR directly & considerably, it often does not present skill anymore. Nowadays it seems to be a 'Wild West' whom you are matched against due MMR decay. And you do not anymore know the typical skill level of your typical opponents in the beginning of the match. For example one week ago I faced a multiple times grandmaster with mid-platinum MMR on EU server (he was playing ranked). His MMR had been decayed. Needless to say I was crushed. | ||
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
It takes a retarded amount of time to build it back up though :/ 45-11 and I'm still in plat facing gold/plat players (just played first diamond opponent). I got promoted to plat after around 25 games but no further promotions as yet - despite going 24-4 in last 28 games... I think 30 games should be enough to get MMR back to where it should be, not 60+ as in my case (yeah I lost a few games but random allies with 20apm so what can you do..) /end rant | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 26 2013 21:20 ThunderGod wrote: I skipped a couple of seasons so I assume my MMR got wiped as it placed me back in gold for 2v2R (was Master previously). It takes a retarded amount of time to build it back up though :/ 45-11 and I'm still in plat facing gold/plat players (just played first diamond opponent). I got promoted to plat after around 25 games but no further promotions as yet - despite going 24-4 in last 28 games... I think 30 games should be enough to get MMR back to where it should be, not 60+ as in my case (yeah I lost a few games but random allies with 20apm so what can you do..) /end rant Sounding like a true LoL player Do you tell your allies to stop feeding? + Show Spoiler + j/k of course, MMR decay results in some silly things lol | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On October 19 2013 00:38 Excalibur_Z wrote: To be fair, you don't have to play every day. The decay system isn't nearly that severe. There is, for each instance of decay. It's roughly one league. Unless you meant "Once-Master players should never drop below Diamond ever for any reason" which is more of an opinion. While my example is from teamgames I dont really agree that from diamond with good stats to silver is "roughly one league". | ||
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anessie
180 Posts
While my example is from teamgames I dont really agree that from diamond with good stats to silver is "roughly one league". Indeed and then you get paired with people who have 8 games on their account ever and building their first pylon 2 minutes into the game to go for the 12 minute 3 voidray "rush". Thanks Blizzard. | ||
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Moonsalt
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
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Eregos
United States34 Posts
I can't make a concrete case that this newly-discovered (in the past couple months, since I checked last) MMR decay is the cause of ALL of the problems, since there are still other problems, but it seems clear that it is devastating for a player like me, because I like to play lots of team games brackets only a little bit - almost always less than 30 games per season. When combined with the fact that the system was still tracking my total matches played (which was fairly high) from previous seasons, this explains why it took hundreds of games in 2v2 3v3 and 4v4 last season at a very high win rate (85%+) to get back to where I belonged in Wings of Liberty. I had been confused by this explanation at first, until I read above that crucially your 1v1+random team MMR is linked together and isn't reset unless you don't play ANY 1v1+random team games for an entire season. Well, hehehe, that has never ever happened for me since Sc2 came out in 2010, I've always ranked in at least one of them. That means that I've been dragging along this massive anchor of games played for the past 3 years. Combine this with the midseason demotion freeze putting everyone a league lower initially. Assuming it is also true that your MMR decays at the same rate regardless of the total number of games that comprise your MMR, then it makes complete sense that I would have trouble getting promoted in WOL, since I was unfairly downgraded to silver/bronze while still being saddled with hundreds of games comprising my MMR, making the system *falsely* confident that I was where I belonged. No wonder promotion took hundreds of games last season. In short, the ranking system has turned into a World of Warcraft-style Grinding system, requiring constant player activity in order to maintain their leagues rather than simply being a reflection of player skill. This would be mostly okay if a player's entire match history was forgotten , but it usually isn't which leads to people like me being stuck in a low league they don't belong in, requiring them to grind each season for a promotion. In the meantime, I get matched against people who have no chance against me, which is a frustrating thing for them and a bit boring for me. Simply put, this is terrible design, and almost certainly contributes to the many complaints threads on battle.net of people getting unfair matches. I don't think erasing the whole match history (from blizzard's database that does rankings) is a good idea unless the player hasn't played for at least 1 full season. There is so much more to say about this but I'll stop here for now. | ||
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iPhoneAppz
United States37 Posts
On October 27 2013 01:52 Moonsalt wrote: I haven't played for 2 months and used to be diamond. After the first match they placed me in bronze......after countless wins and 0 losses now I'm stuck in gold with players that are "lower level" than me and I'm still winning every single game IT IS REALLY ANNOYING Imagine how annoying it is for the people that you're crushing that really belong in those leagues. Blizzard needs to consider former league achievements in determining you're MMR confidence. | ||
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