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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
On September 24 2013 00:42 Mali__Slon wrote: Strange indeed. There was no master league in beta, not even diamond... diamond started when game launched, and master in 2011. I stand corrected, my point was that I was always in the highest league since beta(aside from GM). I've been master since it was introduced. | ||
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anessie
180 Posts
Right now my friends & me are even wondering to just not play for 2 seasons to get a clean start. Being ranked & barely active feels like a handicap. Random team games are horrible since the allies are even gold or lower level. In the past after long breaks my level of play was back to diamond in 1-2 days of returning. It's not like you improve much by playing against terrible opponents. | ||
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-JoKeR-
Canada387 Posts
This decay should exist for accounts in masters + forcing them to play keeping the top of the ladder a bit more competitive, for someone in gold who gets demoted into silver just sucks especially if they worked hard enough for it. Unranked ladder exists, if people are worried they are rusty they can grind a few games on that. Either that or just lower the rate of decay by a fixed amount. This also completely ruins 2s/3s/4s on ladder | ||
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AxiomBlurr
786 Posts
Case in point: Noob signs on (with previous RTS knowledge + having seen some SC2 games at DH for example), plays a ranking match, loses, gets placed in silver. Plays again, verses screen shows he is playing another silver, gets beat down hard, checks highest rank of his opponent, sees master, plays again, verses screen shows he is playing a gold player, gets seriously beat down. Watches replay and the skill/apm difference makes learning anything absurd, checks highest rank of his opponent sees diamond. Finally after losing X matches pitifully he plays a bronze player who builds an army of 10 reapers by the 12 minute mark, noob wins with a supply of 100, 2 bases and an army consisting of 3 colo and a swath of blink stalkers. I mean wtf is this? Certainly not fun - or even interesting for our new players On top you have fucks in GM, master or diamond purposefully being dicks and having accounts in silver/gold just to troll... My wife quit playing sc2 cos of this MMR system. Meh.... | ||
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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iPhoneAppz
United States37 Posts
After every game I play, of course, I go in and check the league of my opponent to see if I'm playing Gold players yet. I'm still only playing Silver players, so I doubt I'm close to promotion. Anyway, the frustration comes in when I lose. After a loss, I'll check the 'Highest league' of my opponent. Without fail, each of my losses has come at the hands of someone who is in Silver, but has been in Platinum, Diamond, or even Masters in the past. It is terribly discouraging to get smoked by these guys who are dumped into Silver league with new players like myself. I'll keep playing because I really love the game and I love the feeling that I'm improving with each loss. I do see why people would quit though. | ||
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KOtical
Germany451 Posts
if it stays like that i say ladder goodbye... | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On October 18 2013 21:55 iPhoneAppz wrote: As a n00b (top 8 in my division in Silver league) I can't say enough about how frustrating this is. My goal for this season has been to get promoted to Gold league. Also, let me say straight away that I don't mind losing, especially if it is a close game or the competition is at or slightly above my level. After every game I play, of course, I go in and check the league of my opponent to see if I'm playing Gold players yet. I'm still only playing Silver players, so I doubt I'm close to promotion. Anyway, the frustration comes in when I lose. After a loss, I'll check the 'Highest league' of my opponent. Without fail, each of my losses has come at the hands of someone who is in Silver, but has been in Platinum, Diamond, or even Masters in the past. It is terribly discouraging to get smoked by these guys who are dumped into Silver league with new players like myself. I'll keep playing because I really love the game and I love the feeling that I'm improving with each loss. I do see why people would quit though. I agree with this, there should be a hard cap on how low a player from the top divisions can drop. The reason is that people who are new to the game and trying to enter the ladder get absolutely bitch slapped by these players, and a lot of the times they actually "toy" with them for kicks. It so demoralising for them that they they never return to the ladder. Gold should be the lowest level imho, as at least Gold level players have the ability to recognise what's happening in a severe defeat | ||
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iPhoneAppz
United States37 Posts
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Magnifico
1958 Posts
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sperY
Serbia444 Posts
Now when i come back to the game im not rofl-stomped 30 games in a row util i get my groove back on. This lose-30-games to be able to play against people who you can fight against on even side is what caused me to lose interest few times :/ Being in lower league sucks but hey if you wanna be in (lets say) masters again you gotta work on it. Btw its not like im playing master players. Most of people i match against are diamonds and we're diamonds most of the time. I have no issue with this. | ||
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iPhoneAppz
United States37 Posts
On October 18 2013 22:37 Tiaraju9 wrote: Its fun how people are. Now the common trend (here, Reddit, Bnet forums) is "I'm only silver because I'm playing ex-masters. Fucking Blizzard11!!11" Please. I'm not saying, "I'm only silver because I'm playing ex-masters. Fucking Blizzard11!!11". I'm saying that I thought that the ladder matchmaking system was supposed to match me up against players of a similar skill level, not players that are way better than me because they were in Plat, Diamond, and Masters but the system placed them in Silver. If I am 50% win vs. people in Silver that's ok. Silver is where I belong. If I'm losing to people that should be in higher leagues, that's a problem with the system. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On October 18 2013 22:23 iPhoneAppz wrote: Maybe they need to bring back in season demotion. All I can say is that the guy at the top of my division is 94 and 61 and is a former Diamond. Now, he's in Silver league with me. (I'm at 36-32). Something is broken. In season demotion is not the problem. It's just the steep drop in mmr when inactive that is. If you like me started blizzard rts in wc2 I really doubt a month of inactivity is going to drop me two leagues. Especially when the inatctivity actually is from playing on other accounts. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On October 18 2013 22:37 Tiaraju9 wrote: Its fun how people are. Now the common trend (here, Reddit, Bnet forums) is "I'm only silver because I'm playing ex-masters. Fucking Blizzard11!!11" Please. It is not about "beeing silver". It is about having to play ~30-40 pointless games against people way weaker than you. No one profits from that. | ||
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iPhoneAppz
United States37 Posts
On October 18 2013 23:32 Eatme wrote: In season demotion is not the problem. It's just the steep drop in mmr when inactive that is. If you like me started blizzard rts in wc2 I really doubt a month of inactivity is going to drop me two leagues. Especially when the inatctivity actually is from playing on other accounts. Great point! I know that Blizz doesn't want to move players up until the MMR confidence is high enough to justify promotion. However, maybe they should factor in previous league placements into the confidence calculation. Someone who was Diamond that gets placed into Silver should require a much lower confidence for promotion into Gold than someone who's highest finish has been Bronze or Silver. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12269 Posts
On October 18 2013 22:01 KOtical wrote: i noticed this also , but didnt knew it for sure. now its kinda official and i think this kind of system is a slap in the face for all the none pro gamers/working people. Im doing a job 5 days a week i gotta work 9 hours everyday, and after that period of time i cant play every evening. so they invented the bonus point system for players like me that can´t be that active. so now with this change the whole bonus point system seems useless... thx blizzard for ruining my expirience as a casual starcraft 2 player... either u can play ladder everyday and u stay up ur league or ur not that active and have to climb up leages after each season wich ist just frustrating.... if it stays like that i say ladder goodbye... To be fair, you don't have to play every day. The decay system isn't nearly that severe. On October 18 2013 22:10 Topdoller wrote: I agree with this, there should be a hard cap on how low a player from the top divisions can drop. There is, for each instance of decay. It's roughly one league. Unless you meant "Once-Master players should never drop below Diamond ever for any reason" which is more of an opinion. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Because that is kind of annoying while learning a new race. I feel that each time i play i face two kind of people. - Bronze player that have 1barracks and 1base at the 10minute mark - Plat/gold ex master/diamond/plat player that just rolls me over. You know that there is something wrong when you face a gold/plat player with 200+apm So it goes => "roflstomp the guy so hard that i could do it with mouse only". Or => "being roflstomp so hard that the guy could do it with mouse only". It's really rare to have an even match. But maybe i just have bad luck ? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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rikter
United States352 Posts
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