EPTLadder Deflation and MMR Decay - Page 5
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dabosaur
Sweden95 Posts
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
Now I get Zerg allies that stay on 1 base until the 15 minute mark, and Terran allies that have 4ccs with no orbital commands. It really makes me want to play more team games... #$%^ you, Blizzard. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On September 24 2013 00:31 guN-viCe wrote: I've been master since WOL beta, up until about 2 seasons ago when I stopped playing. Now I'm in platinum, stomping noobs. It's strange.. I had 7 diamond season finishes and now I'm in platinum and 85% of my games are against former masters. It's kind of depressing. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7793 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
(That's from the op) So... With the ladder going for a 50% win rate this means that a 25% win rate is more likely. That assumes you are an active player and that you will lose vs a decayed player. A better statement might be that you will normally, when active, face a player whom you are actually better than 25% of the time. If that's the case blizzard as ruined the best part of the ladder for non pro players. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
 thanks so much OP! Played a few matches today and I don't feel like I'll be outmatched despite my lack of play time. | ||
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bluesteel22
United States24 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:36 U_G_L_Y wrote: Yup, same for me, except I was Master. And it isn't like I am playing lots of Diamonds either, basically only Platinums, some of which were 9-10 season Master players. It seems quite odd. I switched to unranked as a result.I had 7 diamond season finishes and now I'm in platinum and 85% of my games are against former masters. It's kind of depressing. On September 24 2013 05:14 Minkus wrote: Yes, true. Before I took 2 months off I was going for EU Master and as a result my bonus pool in NA started stacking up, which probably made it even worse after I came back from my break.i wish they would only use this for unranked. kinda sucks for people who play on different regions/accounts for a large period of time. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On September 25 2013 08:07 Ben... wrote: Yup, same for me, except I was Master. And it isn't like I am playing lots of Diamonds either, basically only Platinums, some of which were 9-10 season Master players. It seems quite odd. I switched to unranked as a result. Yes, true. Before I took 2 months off I was going for EU Master and as a result my bonus pool in NA started stacking up, which probably made it even worse after I came back from my break. Everyone was complaining that master league was getting too full / watered down. Now that half the people have been kicked out it's a bit more exclusive (and maybe means something). Obviously it sucks to be one of the ones bumped (I know) but I think it adds a lot more prestige. Diamond is the new (old) master league. Plat is the new Diamond etc. I know there's a lot of complaints about MMR not reflecting player skill resulting in lopsided matches but that'll happen with people losing on purpose (especially with unranked games and accounts on each server). It doesn't take that many games for MMR to readjust (and if players aren't playing many games, it doesn't happen much anyway). | ||
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Lorch
Germany3666 Posts
To people wondering about ranks: It used to be: Bronze 20% Silver 20% Gold 20% Plat 20% Diamond 18% Masters 2% Then they changed it early hots to: Bronze 12% Silver 20% Gold 28% Plat 20% Diamond 18% Masters 2% And now they changed it to (without announcing lol): Bronze 25ish% Silver 25ish% Gold 25ish% (these lower three leagues currently make up about 80%) Plat 10% Diamond 8% Masters 2% Put that together with mmr decay and a lot of people doing decently well in diamond last season may find themselves in palt this season. Personally it put me into plat after being high diamond and mainly playing vs masters, but after a bunch of games I managed to get into diamond again so I don't see much of an issue. | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On September 25 2013 22:17 Lorch wrote: I can only confirm this. I was mid masters at the end of wol/start of hots. Then I decided to switch to zerg from protoss, as I preferred hit your forcefields or die over the mamaship core, and used a new account for that to get my rank up. Recently I played on the old protoss account again and I got gold from being mid masters last time I played on it. To people wondering about ranks: It used to be: + Show Spoiler + Bronze 20% Silver 20% Gold 20% Plat 20% Diamond 18% Masters 2% Then they changed it early hots to: + Show Spoiler + Bronze 12% Silver 20% Gold 28% Plat 20% Diamond 18% Masters 2% And now they changed it to (without announcing lol): + Show Spoiler + Bronze 25ish% Silver 25ish% Gold 25ish% (these lower three leagues currently make up about 80%) Plat 10% Diamond 8% Masters 2% Put that together with mmr decay and a lot of people doing decently well in diamond last season may find themselves in palt this season. Personally it put me into plat after being high diamond and mainly playing vs masters, but after a bunch of games I managed to get into diamond again so I don't see much of an issue. Except there was no offset or league threshold changes between last season & this season (just rechecked this). Thus the league distribution changes are caused by other things. Logically the MMR decay (as max decay seems to have so high value) would be the likely main cause for the distribution changes, but there are other lesser reasons too. The lesser reasons could be 1) unranked mode using the same matchmaking queue, 2) global play (people playing on multiple servers are also more likely to have inactivity periods --> MMR decay), 3) new accounts & accounts that had full MMR reset (MMR changes much more rapidly if it starts from blank MMR), 4) MMR abusers, 5) shrinking player base. But these would logically have only minor effects (potential exception: unranked mode) as these accounts represent minority of the player base on each server. But then again during the 'silent hours' it may be more likely to face such accounts more frequently (like Europeans on NA server during morning & midday (evening time on EU)). If there are no changes to the MMR decay feature (such as max decay set to lower value) & no changes to the offsets / thresholds in beginning of the next season, one could expect that the trend regarding league distribution changes continues --> top leagues shrink even more and lower leagues grow. | ||
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dala
Sweden477 Posts
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korona
1098 Posts
On September 26 2013 15:24 dala wrote: Is your unranked MMR affecting your ladder MMR? Can you keep the ladder MMR "active" by playing unranked? There are lots of accounts that had quite long inactivity period seemingly unaffected of the decay in MMR tool data. Thus it is likely that games in other modes would prevent the decay. But more research regarding this is needed. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
Its getting to be a bad ladder suddenly. Punishing players for activity by increasing their chance to hit a player of higher real skill is just... | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On September 26 2013 17:20 vaderseven wrote: Has blizzard commented on this at all? Its getting to be a bad ladder suddenly. Punishing players for activity by increasing their chance to hit a player of higher real skill is just... There has been no public reaction from Blizzard. It would potentially be helpful to keep Excalibur_Z's US Bnet forum thread (same content as this thread) alive and in first page as it is the best description of the situation amongst multiple other threads filled with misinformation. If someone has something constructive to add to that thread, it may be beneficial to post there (do not just bump it, you need to have something constructive to say). Also worth to note that some posters in that thread are misinformed, do not start feuds with them. Original Bnet thread can be found from: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10025152690 | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:34 U_G_L_Y wrote: LOL, I was high master 3v3 random teams (I realize not a huge accomplishment, but still...), took a break, placed into gold, didn't play much, placed again this season into bronze. BRONZE. Now I get Zerg allies that stay on 1 base until the 15 minute mark, and Terran allies that have 4ccs with no orbital commands. It really makes me want to play more team games... #$%^ you, Blizzard. I'm high master 3:3 RT on my main account. On my random fuck around account I was 15-8 (I cant play protoss) in diamond last season. I played and won my placement and got Silver. This is not fun for me and should be really frustrating for the people i roflstomp. I'll probably manage to play the account up to plat but then I'll end up in bronze next season like you. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On September 27 2013 09:06 Eatme wrote: I'm high master 3:3 RT on my main account. On my random fuck around account I was 15-8 (I cant play protoss) in diamond last season. I played and won my placement and got Silver. This is not fun for me and should be really frustrating for the people i roflstomp. I'll probably manage to play the account up to plat but then I'll end up in bronze next season like you. Yeah, Protoss is terrible in team games unless you are at a low enough level where massing Skillrays is a thing, I couldn't get above diamond with random. I think it is more frustrating for me than the people I ROFL stomp, though. They are just frustrated as they are dying. I'm frustrated the whole game long that my allies have 10 workers and 5 cannons in their 1 base at the 10 minute mark | ||
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ensign_lee
United States1178 Posts
Woot for blizzard. Kudos to whoever thought this up. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On September 27 2013 09:51 U_G_L_Y wrote: Yeah, Protoss is terrible in team games unless you are at a low enough level where massing Skillrays is a thing, I couldn't get above diamond with random. I think it is more frustrating for me than the people I ROFL stomp, though. They are just frustrated as they are dying. I'm frustrated the whole game long that my allies have 10 workers and 5 cannons in their 1 base at the 10 minute mark They are quite nice in AT with two agressive allies so the toss can get oracle or dt up, there is also the possibility to proxy or cannon if you can trust your allies. The trouble is really in RT where even at quite high levels people might play 1:1 meta or just be plain bad/clueless. Speaking of AT. I have almost never had a AT team play more than 30games. So most of my teams will get placed and play a few games--->Drop below initial level and play a few games--->drop even lower than last season until superbronze. On the other hand this should be true for most teams so maybe it'll even out. | ||
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