EPTHigh masters after 2 months, did not play for perhaps 4 months, ended up being matched against gold league on first game back (plat on second game).
Ladder Deflation and MMR Decay - Page 3
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
High masters after 2 months, did not play for perhaps 4 months, ended up being matched against gold league on first game back (plat on second game). | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
 But it also makes me more willing to ladder again. | ||
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Slydie
2016 Posts
Expecting to win half of your games is already not that much, and facing an opponent you can have no hopes of beating at the same MMR is just wrong imo. Time to tune the system, Blizzard! | ||
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Mintograde
United States25 Posts
If the presumption is that taking a break results in a noticeable drop in skill, it would make sense to fully check that the player has in fact taken a break across all regions; doing otherwise is strictly "bad" and leads to frustration at best, or a demeaning of the ranking system at worst. | ||
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
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PaztheLobster
Philippines25 Posts
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
you need to play 5 placment matches again. don't apply to team rank games. | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
I played a bit of 2V2 in the early days of HOTS to get to masters. I got to masters, and then only played placement each season.. Now I'm gold wtf. I mean I don't care, but it's not nice for the poor gold buddies that I've to play against if I want to play a bit of 2V2 again. On the other hand, my NA account dropped from high diamond to plat, and as there are a lot of offracing masters/high masters at the hours I play (I'm from EU so when I play on NA there are often only EU and SEA players), it's hard to get it back up. Without MMR decay you wouldn't have offracing accounts placed in plat and below. It has to be annoying to lower level players as well, playing smurfs all the time and getting destroyed without knowing if they could have helped it or not. I really don't see the need for it. If people want to play when they come back from a pause they might lose anyway, and get to appropriate opponents fast enough. When I started playing the game on a friend's plat account back in the day, I dropped to bronze in no time. On the other hand having to play lots of games to get your smurfs/offrace accounts back to where they were is pretty terrible. | ||
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DusTerr
2520 Posts
On September 23 2013 23:19 Nimix wrote: I find it pretty annoying.. MMR drops fast enough if your skill level has really dropped after inactivity, while grinding back points when you're say close to master is long if you're near 50% winrate and you don't play often.. I played a bit of 2V2 in the early days of HOTS to get to masters. I got to masters, and then only played placement each season.. Now I'm gold wtf. I mean I don't care, but it's not nice for the poor gold buddies that I've to play against if I want to play a bit of 2V2 again. On the other hand, my NA account dropped from high diamond to plat, and as there are a lot of offracing masters/high masters at the hours I play (I'm from EU so when I play on NA there are often only EU and SEA players), it's hard to get it back up. Without MMR decay you wouldn't have offracing accounts placed in plat and below. It has to be annoying to lower level players as well, playing smurfs all the time and getting destroyed without knowing if they could have helped it or not. I really don't see the need for it. If people want to play when they come back from a pause they might lose anyway, and get to appropriate opponents fast enough. When I started playing the game on a friend's plat account back in the day, I dropped to bronze in no time. On the other hand having to play lots of games to get your smurfs/offrace accounts back to where they were is pretty terrible. I think the point is that people are more likely to come back if they don't have to face huge losing streaks. AlTthere will always be people playing at levels lower than their real skill so the MMR decay doesn't really change that (especially now with unranked play). | ||
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Nerevar
547 Posts
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FLORIDACOMPACT
Germany108 Posts
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Firestorm
Canada341 Posts
On September 24 2013 00:00 FLORIDACOMPACT wrote: People in the lower leagues (silver/gold/plat) already complaining in the blizzard forums about playing vs prior dimaonds/masters. I don't think this decay is a good thing. I recently lost 12 straight ladder games, most of them against former plat/diamond players in silver league. | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 24 2013 00:11 Salient wrote: This is terrible. Casual Gold and Plat players will lose motivation and quit after getting demolished by demoted inactive Diamond and Master players. It is similar to mass smurfing. This not good considering that we already have a problem retaining casuals! I doubt it will be that bad. We are reviving some anecdotal evidence of people being slammed by diamond players who's MMR has decayed, but its nothing more than that. MMR corrects pretty quickly, so they shouldn't be matched against someone that low for too long. The same thing happened when all of our MMRs were reset during HotS and I was getting my ass kicked by high masters players. | ||
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FLORIDACOMPACT
Germany108 Posts
On September 24 2013 00:11 Salient wrote: This is terrible. Casual Gold and Plat players will lose motivation and quit after getting demolished by demoted inactive Diamond and Master players. It is similar to mass smurfing. This not good considering that we already have a problem retaining casuals! ^ This. User was warned for this post | ||
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klup
France612 Posts
I'm former master player that don't want to play ranked as often as i was. The main reason behind this is that i like macro game so I enjoy more unranked where I can leave games with boring cheese (often done by ranked diamond) . The result of this is that my ranked account is slowly falling. Now i just farm my ranked to just maintain a diamond level basically farming people 1/2 or 1 league under me. I feel that unranked is one of the reason the system is so messed up. But it's very enjoyable to play without pressure and enjoy good macro games without worrying about boring cheese. Another consequence of Unranked is the splitting of your games between 2 MMR making those 2 MMR very unaccurate compared to the unique one before. Basically the algorithm that calculate MMR is much more performant if you play tons of games. Since your games are splitted in two MMR those are less accurate. Add that the leaving if I'm bored phenomenon of unranked + the matchmaking of unranked vs ranked and you obtain a completely messed up MMR in both ranked and unranked. And to add more to it : the ladder population decreasing so much a lot of people are demoted anyway. So many reasons to not trust this system anymore. | ||
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tenklavir
Slovakia116 Posts
On September 24 2013 00:11 Salient wrote: This is terrible. Casual Gold and Plat players will lose motivation and quit after getting demolished by demoted inactive Diamond and Master players. It is similar to mass smurfing. This not good considering that we already have a problem retaining casuals! I agree. After taking ~8 week break, I went from mid-Diamond to Gold. No game was even close. I don't mean to speak for my opponents but I doubt it was any fun for them, and I get no enjoyment out of it either (actually I just feel bad). Hopefully this is just a beta implementation of the decay system and after Blizz collects enough data to make a determination on how far to drop someone given a certain period of inactivity, they will tweak it. I doubt it will be that bad. We are reviving some anecdotal evidence of people being slammed by diamond players who's MMR has decayed, but its nothing more than that. MMR corrects pretty quickly, so they shouldn't be matched against someone that low for too long. The same thing happened when all of our MMRs were reset during HotS and I was getting my ass kicked by high masters players. I dunno, I went 27-3 to get back to diamond, and the losses came from people in the same boat (former Diamond/Masters coming back). I think my first 3-5 games were against Gold, probably 15-20 against Plat, and the rest Diamond. It doesn't seem to recover quickly enough where I'm playing more than even two games in Gold and 10 in Plat. I mean no disrespect to those players! I just didn't think it was fun for either me or my opponent. | ||
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On September 24 2013 00:16 FLORIDACOMPACT wrote: ^ This. User was warned for this post Not really. In reality if you skip like 2 months you'll go from low master to mid-high diamond mmr (speaking from experience), so it's pretty ok, not that many players have 3-4 months without playing sc so that they would drop to plat | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 24 2013 00:24 bLah. wrote: Not really. In reality if you skip like 2 months you'll go from low master to mid-high diamond mmr (speaking from experience), so it's pretty ok, not that many players have 3-4 months without playing sc so that they would drop to plat If you take three months off from most things, you will be worse off. its not really that big of a deal, since you will be able work back up. Unless you are one of those people who simply can't deal with your ladder rank dropping and at that point you might be playing SC2 for weird reasons. | ||
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