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SpeghettiJoe
21 Posts
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH BOOBIES There's no female hero in sc2 - in LoL there are tons of powerful and beautiful female characters. Yes medivacs I know, but that's just a voice. In SC2, it's truly a sausage fest. And since 99% of gamers are guys, they can only stand sausage fests for so long. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
(I miss the Nurse from BW. I enjoyed clicking on her. Repeatedly. *ahem*) | ||
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Kheve
323 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:57 Ctone23 wrote: Seriously though, there is entirely too much whining going on. It's downright depressing coming onto TL and reading through this. I mean, what did you guys expect, for SC2 to beat out the likes of the NFL, EPL, MLB? Sitting around and bashing SC2 because so-and-so game is getting more viewers, or some nostalgic "BW is the best ever" approach (seriously what other games were out when BW was out that could compete?), just isn't healthy for the scene, and quite frankly shows that e-sports has a lot of growing up to do. What other games were out?!?!??!?! OMG EVERY single game that died out thats what. And why did they die out? coz of BW. Did other developers jes shut their doors and say gg BW > ALL ofc not. They tried they failed thats all. Command and conquer #1 before SC. Many sequels too with existing fanbase but all lost to an older game. Age of Empire another great of its time, all its sequel failed due to BW. Total anihilation touted as the greatest innovation in the rts genre died also when compared to BW. Countless of other big budget rts came and die. Oh yes how could i forget DUNE the grandfather of rts. Its not that BW had no competition, nearly all competition pales in comparison to BW. The greatest testament to BW greatness is WC3. The FIRST RTS of blizzard sequel was planned as a RPG LOL. RTS was ended the day BW came out. Jes that some developers dont know/acknowledge and continued to try make rts (which faded into obscurity faster than my memory can remember). BW was the pinnacle of rts. What other game is still played 10 years after its last update (where turrets got reduced to 75 minerals) professional with expenses and revenue exceeding millions a month. Bleh i tell u, if blizzard doesnt pump in more money into wcs (ti3 had 2.8 mil+ for a 1 week tournament) to at least around 2.5mil a year, the death of korean sc would inevitably mean the death of sc worldwide. Comparing playerbase of the rest of the world to korea is stupid. Whats important is compare the television viewership. And only in korea u have sc as a mainstream television programme. Rival MBC once again? dream on. But at the very least make sure its a staple of OGN. With ogns also expanding to dota in addition to lol, if nothing is done soon, the osl might actually come to an end after 13 years. | ||
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Kheve
323 Posts
On October 09 2013 11:50 Nagamundo wrote: I think you're being too optimistic for LotV. See Sigaty's comments below: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/05/31/starcraft-2-legacy-of-the-void-could-have-less-units-than-heart-of-the-swarm/ Admittedly his comments aren't binding, but I wouldnt hold my breath if I were you. If LotV does not bring abck the science vessel, reaver, lurker, scourge, valkyrie and dark archon in some form or another blizzard is stupid. U want a franchise? bring back the icons. Reaver for toss, lurker for zerg and science vessel for terran. Granted their functions are replaced by some of the newer units and some skills were taken but we're speaking of a real esport. one does not make tennis 2.0 | ||
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ETisME
12702 Posts
On October 09 2013 12:42 SpeghettiJoe wrote: Ok I'm going to unveil the real reason why SC2 is not as popular: THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH BOOBIES There's no female hero in sc2 - in LoL there are tons of powerful and beautiful female characters. Yes medivacs I know, but that's just a voice. In SC2, it's truly a sausage fest. And since 99% of gamers are guys, they can only stand sausage fests for so long. AGREED FUCKING COMPLETELY. wtf would they not even add gender switch, it's what's hot now. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Falling
Canada11471 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:57 Ctone23 wrote: Sitting around and bashing SC2 because so-and-so game is getting more viewers, or some nostalgic "BW is the best ever" approach (seriously what other games were out when BW was out that could compete?), just isn't healthy for the scene, and quite frankly shows that e-sports has a lot of growing up to do. In retrospect, BW blew everyone out the water. But that is a view of knowing the future and interpreting backwards. From Patrick Wyatt's blog (lead developer of Starcraft) With everyone looking critically at StarCraft, it was clear that the project needed to be vastly more ambitious than our previous ground-breaking efforts in defining the future of the real-time strategy (RTS) genre with the first two Warcraft games. At the time of the StarCraft reboot, according to Johnny Wilson, then Editor in Chief of Computer Gaming World, the largest-distribution gaming magazine of that time, there were over eighty (80!!) RTS games in development. With so many competitors on our heels, including Westwood Studios, the company that originated the modern RTS play-style, we needed to make something that kicked ass. Emphasis mine. I somehow doubt there are that many rts games in development now though there are a couple big ones that get released. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On October 09 2013 13:14 Kheve wrote: Command and conquer #1 before SC. Many sequels too with existing fanbase but all lost to an older game. Age of Empire another great of its time, all its sequel failed due to BW. Total anihilation touted as the greatest innovation in the rts genre died also when compared to BW. Countless of other big budget rts came and die. Oh yes how could i forget DUNE the grandfather of rts. Its not that BW had no competition, nearly all competition pales in comparison to BW. Lol that's actually not true at all. BW is an excellent game but it didn't kill other RTS scene by being so good. There are plenty of good RTS games out there that came after Brood War | ||
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wishr
Russian Federation262 Posts
On October 09 2013 13:33 Falling wrote: In retrospect, BW blew everyone out the water. But that is a view of knowing the future and interpreting backwards. From Patrick Wyatt's blog (lead developer of Starcraft) Emphasis mine. I somehow doubt there are that many rts games in development now though there are a couple big ones that get released. I love that blog post. Really excited they are reading TL.net | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3486 Posts
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH BOOBIES Need to make female skins for units! I can say that in my friend group we used to be 6 people, grinding out SC2 games, but now only 2 of them have HotS and I'm the only one still watching tournaments and playing the game. Many has considered coming back, but I guess HotS is not worth it to buy, if you only wanna give it a little try. I can only imagine that this is the case for a lot of you as well and soon they'll have to buy 2 expansions to be able to give sc2 a "try" again. They play DotA2 now. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26498 Posts
Tbh the incessant moaning and bitching and infighting between MOBA fans, SC2 fans, BW fans. For fuck's sake Lars con Trier makes films that are less depressing. | ||
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RoboBob
United States798 Posts
Sure pro players might not like the fact that SC2 is more coinflippy and counter unit heavy than BW. But those are precisely the reasons why I prefer watching SC2 gameplay over MOBA gameplay. If MMA is going to defeat Idra 99% of the time off of his superior mechanics like in BW, then that's not exciting to watch as a spectator. But if the game is closer to 60%-40% because while MMA is the better player, Idra might get some lucky coinflips...now *that* becomes an interesting to watch. Unfortunately nowadays I find myself watching LoL much more than SC2. Because even though SC2 has superior gameplay, Riot does such a better job with all the other non-gameplay related stuff mentioned in the OP. | ||
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saddaromma
1129 Posts
On October 09 2013 16:32 RoboBob wrote: Unfortunately nowadays I find myself watching LoL much more than SC2. Because even though SC2 has superior gameplay, Riot does such a better job with all the other non-gameplay related stuff mentioned in the OP. part of a reason why many people watch LoL is because its hyped as hell. | ||
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ETisME
12702 Posts
On October 09 2013 16:52 saddaromma wrote: part of a reason why many people watch LoL is because its hyped as hell. when the production is nice and has such a large number of crowd cheering, the atmosphere alone attracts tonnes of new comers to watch. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On October 09 2013 12:42 SpeghettiJoe wrote: Ok I'm going to unveil the real reason why SC2 is not as popular: THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH BOOBIES There's no female hero in sc2 - in LoL there are tons of powerful and beautiful female characters. Yes medivacs I know, but that's just a voice. In SC2, it's truly a sausage fest. And since 99% of gamers are guys, they can only stand sausage fests for so long. Thats it. After over 60 pages we found it. The ultimate solution. So we should make a list: - more Boobs on the maps - more Boobs on the Bnet (Kerrigan on the start screen is a nice start, expect a strip show with Nova and her) - more Ass on the winning screen (bitches always go to the winners!) - the Ghost should be female, the dying scream is already pretty close to what my southern body part wants or how about Anime skins for our friends from the east: wuhuu Moe-craft with Tea and girls or imagine a new buyable "skin" for the spinecrawler. With new Balance patch "new Spine crawler upgrade *Tentacle Rape*. No explanation needed " | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On October 09 2013 12:42 SpeghettiJoe wrote: Ok I'm going to unveil the real reason why SC2 is not as popular: THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH BOOBIES There's no female hero in sc2 - in LoL there are tons of powerful and beautiful female characters. Yes medivacs I know, but that's just a voice. In SC2, it's truly a sausage fest. And since 99% of gamers are guys, they can only stand sausage fests for so long. Well they kind of tried with the new cringeworthy over-sexualized Kerrigan, but instead just made her feel like a cheap attempt to appeal to hormonally fueled teenagers. Nova pretty much the same deal. If that's the best the modern day Blizzard can do with female characters, I'd rather they just don't tbh. Although having a female ultralisk could be sort of cool. I agree with most of those points, however I disagree about the gameplay difference between BW and SC2. Yes BW is the more difficult game. However it was more difficult mostly because of the stupid pathing and mechanical limitations like unit selection. If I'm a completely casual spectator I don't appreciate "oh he can only select 12 units at a time" or "oh high ground units get a 30% dodge chance vs low ground units". I appreciate smart decision making, flashy graphics, and cute micro. And I would argue that SC2 excels over BW in all three of those aspects. Sure pro players might not like the fact that SC2 is more coinflippy and counter unit heavy than BW. But those are precisely the reasons why I prefer watching SC2 gameplay over MOBA gameplay. If MMA is going to defeat Idra 99% of the time off of his superior mechanics like in BW, then that's not exciting to watch as a spectator. But if the game is closer to 60%-40% because while MMA is the better player, Idra might get some lucky coinflips...now *that* becomes an interesting to watch. Unfortunately nowadays I find myself watching LoL much more than SC2. Because even though SC2 has superior gameplay, Riot does such a better job with all the other non-gameplay related stuff mentioned in the OP Uhm, in that case, why not watch professional rock/paper/scissors? Isn't beating your opponent by being better kind of the whole idea of a competitive game? | ||
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ETisME
12702 Posts
On October 09 2013 17:12 USvBleakill wrote: Thats it. After over 60 pages we found it. The ultimate solution. So we should make a list: - more Boobs on the maps - more Boobs on the Bnet (Kerrigan on the start screen is a nice start, expect a strip show with Nova and her) - more Ass on the winning screen (bitches always go to the winners!) - the Ghost should be female, the dying scream is already pretty close to what my southern body part wants or how about Anime skins for our friends from the east: wuhuu Moe-craft with Tea and girls or imagine a new buyable "skin" for the spinecrawler. With new Balance patch "new Spine crawler upgrade *Tentacle Rape*. No explanation needed " to be completely honest, I would pay a lot if they would reskin everything into carbot character skin, that would be so awesome | ||
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wishr
Russian Federation262 Posts
On October 09 2013 16:52 saddaromma wrote: part of a reason why many people watch LoL is because its hyped as hell. Personally, i think watching LoL is boring as hell compared to SC2. Same with Dota2. I have about 3k games in LoL and im pretty fine with this game, i mean i like it. But watching it - i think its too boring. Never watched any of big tournaments except TI3. On the other hand im watching SC2 every day, also at work. | ||
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Coffeeling
Finland250 Posts
On October 09 2013 17:54 ETisME wrote: to be completely honest, I would pay a lot if they would reskin everything into carbot character skin, that would be so awesome Carbotlings would be ridiculously OP though. People would be too busy going "omgawwtfitssgoshdarnedcute" to think, let alone act coherently. | ||
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