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SerADeadzerg
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Canada48 Posts
August 29 2013 17:43 GMT
#21
On August 30 2013 02:29 Maegi wrote:
Lol stopped reading at "music should be turned off, it's a distraction". I'm pretty sure most pros play with music on, and anyway it is a preference issue, like most things here. Please don't give your preferences to others as facts.

Well I was specifically talking about in game music. But music of any kind can make things harder to hear or momentarily distract you. If you are shooting for the best possible results I'd say turn it off. Of course you can still play with music if you want
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
August 29 2013 17:51 GMT
#22
The most distracting thing is the wife after all. Can't shut her off either.

Very nice guide, I'm learning from this and I'm glad that at my low level I already do a few of the things I should. Getting to gold is the next (and probably final) target for me, no gold GM.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
shadow_orc
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada52 Posts
August 29 2013 18:01 GMT
#23
hey i noticed in your guide you mention to use f1-f6 as control locations. can you provide additional detail on what we should use the control locations for?
There are only patterns, patterns on top of patterns, patterns that affect other patterns. Patterns hidden by patterns. Patterns within patterns. If you watch close, history does nothing but repeat itself. What we call chaos is just patterns we haven't re
elimzkE
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia92 Posts
August 29 2013 18:05 GMT
#24
Ah man, I never thought of rebinding my Tab key. So many small but important things in here. Thanks for taking the time to write all this.
"First there was eLim. Then there was skill."
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
August 29 2013 18:08 GMT
#25
Boxing
When you box you should always box from top to bottom regardless of which corner of the box you start at. I box left to right but it is possible to box right to left. The reason you should box from top to bottom is because this encourages your hand to pull towards its pivot point. Because of this you can choose very specifically when you want to stop. Boxing in the other direction is less accurate because it is more challenging to accurately stop boxing.

lol not true at all (for me)
I can box all ways accurately :o
When cats speak, mice listen.
SerADeadzerg
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Canada48 Posts
August 29 2013 18:47 GMT
#26
On August 30 2013 03:01 shadow_orc wrote:
hey i noticed in your guide you mention to use f1-f6 as control locations. can you provide additional detail on what we should use the control locations for?

Thank you! I have been doing this for awhile now and just missed it since it is second nature for me. I use F1-F6 for camera locations above each one of the Nexus. That way I can move through my bases to transfer probes, chrono probes, build structures, check probe production etc.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 29 2013 18:51 GMT
#27
On August 30 2013 03:08 DinosaurPoop wrote:
Show nested quote +
Boxing
When you box you should always box from top to bottom regardless of which corner of the box you start at. I box left to right but it is possible to box right to left. The reason you should box from top to bottom is because this encourages your hand to pull towards its pivot point. Because of this you can choose very specifically when you want to stop. Boxing in the other direction is less accurate because it is more challenging to accurately stop boxing.

lol not true at all (for me)
I can box all ways accurately :o

Yeah, that's just something Day9 said in his video about mechanics so you know, that's gospel.
SerADeadzerg
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Canada48 Posts
August 29 2013 19:09 GMT
#28
On August 30 2013 03:51 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 03:08 DinosaurPoop wrote:
Boxing
When you box you should always box from top to bottom regardless of which corner of the box you start at. I box left to right but it is possible to box right to left. The reason you should box from top to bottom is because this encourages your hand to pull towards its pivot point. Because of this you can choose very specifically when you want to stop. Boxing in the other direction is less accurate because it is more challenging to accurately stop boxing.

lol not true at all (for me)
I can box all ways accurately :o

Yeah, that's just something Day9 said in his video about mechanics so you know, that's gospel.

Yeah I've seem really good players box both ways during warm up at the start of the game. So it is certainly possible to be good at both. I box upwards for probe selection when I want just 1-3. But I think the main idea is that our hands are "engineer" for grasping things so it is intuitive and usually easier/more accurate to box with this grasping motion.
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 19:10:54
August 29 2013 19:10 GMT
#29
A lot of things are arguable (or simply wrong) in this post, but this one is the worst as it is actually harmful advice:

Positioning
Your mouse should be close to the edge of your desk so you can use your wrist as a pivot point.


This will kill your wrists if you happen to be injury prone or play a lot.
SerADeadzerg
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Canada48 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 20:44:55
August 29 2013 19:13 GMT
#30
On August 30 2013 04:10 mechengineer123 wrote:
A lot of things are arguable (or simply wrong) in this post, but this one is the worst as it is actually harmful advice:

Show nested quote +
Positioning
Your mouse should be close to the edge of your desk so you can use your wrist as a pivot point.

This will kill your wrists if you happen to be injury prone or play a lot.

It is interesting that people say this since I had wrist issues before I moved my mouse to this position and now I have none. I'm thinking of re-writting this portion of the guide to be more, "if it hurts don't do it, research more and try alternatives". I really don't want to give out harmful advice, but it works well for me.

Edit:
It could also be the angle at which your arm connects to your hand at. If you play with your elbow below you hand it's going to put a lot of strain on the tendons. Perhaps that is why I've seen no problems? If the table is too high and you play wrist on the edge of the desk you will injure yourself, but the same is true if you whole arm is on the desk, you are more likely to injury yourself elsewhere though (shoulder maybe?). I will be updating this very quickly, I don't want anyone unclear or changing things that will cause them injury.
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
August 29 2013 19:39 GMT
#31
Excellent guide with some great points, nice work SerADeadzerg many things you bring up haven't been talked about in other guides.
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SerADeadzerg
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Canada48 Posts
August 29 2013 19:58 GMT
#32
Hey guys! I revised the section on keyboard/mouse positioning to make it more open ended. What works for you and keeps the pain away is the best regardless of what it looks like!
Deep Cocoa
Profile Joined June 2013
United States36 Posts
August 29 2013 20:02 GMT
#33
Just chiming to also say I enjoyed the OP. I liked the beginning part about body and keyboard/mouse stuff. A quick question: what would the best budget option for a keyboard be like the one you're describing if I were to get it from, say a Best Buy/Target/Walmart or something like that?? How do you know if a keyboard is "mechanical"? I kind of like my keyboard but something tells me I could be using something a lot better. It's an alienware keyboard that came with my computer.

I also followed you on twitch looking forward to your next stream!
"Being a child is like nothing. It's only being. Later, when we think about it, we make it into youth." China Miéville
Theberlinwall
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada57 Posts
August 29 2013 20:03 GMT
#34
who are you exactly? are you GM or anything? i find a lot of this advice questionable
"The current situation is looking pretty grim" //////// "Randy, I am the liquor"
SerADeadzerg
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Canada48 Posts
August 29 2013 20:14 GMT
#35
On August 30 2013 05:02 Deep Cocoa wrote:
Just chiming to also say I enjoyed the OP. I liked the beginning part about body and keyboard/mouse stuff. A quick question: what would the best budget option for a keyboard be like the one you're describing if I were to get it from, say a Best Buy/Target/Walmart or something like that?? How do you know if a keyboard is "mechanical"? I kind of like my keyboard but something tells me I could be using something a lot better. It's an alienware keyboard that came with my computer.

I also followed you on twitch looking forward to your next stream!

Mechanical keyboards should specify that they are mechanical... They will have a stat like Cherry Brown/Black/Blue/Red switches. You would most likely want Brown/Red/Blue (I play with Brown) as Black takes considerably more force to activate. Check out the keyboard enthusiast thread here on teamliquid, it has tones of useful information!


On August 30 2013 05:03 Theberlinwall wrote:
who are you exactly? are you GM or anything? i find a lot of this advice questionable

Hey man. I am a long time (8 year) lurker who decided I wanted to contribute. No I am not GM, I actually hardly play ladder and focus mostly on practice games at high masters level. I have only been playing seriously for 6 months but played ever since about a year after the release of BW. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=426163 that is a link to my blog post about my story. Most of this guide comes from my experiences and how much I have improved since applying these strategies to my own practice. All of the concepts for practice come from my experience as a musician. I curious what you think is questionable about the post?
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
August 29 2013 20:23 GMT
#36
Really enjoyed this article, especially the section on how to practice more efficiently.

I'm only a low master's player, but whenever I've really wanted to gear up for a local or online tournament, I've found the best way to prepare is to do as you suggest - practice against the AI so you can control your environment. It helps to really solidify the build orders I'm going to use, so that when the game is loading in a tournament game I feel confident in my builds instead of shaky. The nerves still affect me, but that practice at home in a stress-free environment certainly helped.

I like your suggestion on taking those builds vs. AI to the ladder, playing until you lose, and then practicing against the AI against that. I will definitely try that out.

Also, I've never had a consistent practice partner to play with. Your post makes me want to reconsider that. Thanks for the reasoning behind it. Cheers
FLiP491
Profile Joined November 2010
United States124 Posts
August 29 2013 20:24 GMT
#37
Huge post, well done.
Race is Terran
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States382 Posts
August 29 2013 20:32 GMT
#38
Well there is also this guide to mechanics

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876

but good job too
SerADeadzerg
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Canada48 Posts
August 29 2013 20:35 GMT
#39
On August 30 2013 05:32 Race is Terran wrote:
Well there is also this guide to mechanics

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876

but good job too

I referenced that in my post at the very end. It is also very good :D
Race is Terran
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States382 Posts
August 29 2013 20:36 GMT
#40
On August 30 2013 05:35 SerADeadzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:32 Race is Terran wrote:
Well there is also this guide to mechanics

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876

but good job too

I referenced that in my post at the very end. It is also very good :D

yup just saw that!was about to edit that out of my post haha
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