EPTThorzain Going to Medical School, SC2 Part Time, wisely do…
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On August 15 2013 04:18 Kaitlin wrote: In the U.S., before going to "medical school", there is a regular 4 year undergraduate study at a university, after which you can apply to medical school, which is 3 years. It's very, very competitive and difficult to get in without being the cream of the crop. For context, could someone explain the equivalent process for which Thorzain is applying ? It seems a bit premature to announce "medical school" before having started the initial 4 years of undergraduate work, at least in the U.S. Is it different in Europe ? Does the process in Europe not involved several hundred thousand in debt for the medical school part alone ? Is it not as competitive as a barrier to entry as it is in the U.S. ? In France you can enter it freely and then there's a major exam at the end of the first year, where only 10 to 15% of student pass to the second year. Dunno if it's the same in Sweden but it's probably something closer to that than the american system | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On August 15 2013 04:34 Noocta wrote: In France you can enter it freely and then there's a major exam at the end of the first year, where only 10 to 15% of student pass to the second year. Dunno if it's the same in Sweden but it's probably something closer to that than the american system Is that before the initial 4 years to get the undergraduate degree from a university ? Also, it seems pretty costly to have a completely open door to the initial year of education before the screening process takes place. Does the student bear these costs or is it the taxpayer ? | ||
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ECA.BruTATroN
United States282 Posts
Sad b/c i have been dreaming to be a professional gamer since i was 14 and rank 1 on azerothe for wc3:tft and hes on the best foreign team imo... Happy b/c games and depression coincide. Reaching the pinnacle of your career and realizing theres so much more to life then an unstable esports career. | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
This is rather a lose-lose situation. If he wants to get far and successful in either field, it's inevitable to drop one. Same goes for suppy, he's spending time that he could have spent otherwise in research, volunteer, shadowing, into professional gaming. It's only a matter of time before thorzain quit competitive computer gaming completely. Only a logical option. | ||
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C[h]ili
Germany167 Posts
On August 15 2013 04:18 Kaitlin wrote: In the U.S., before going to "medical school", there is a regular 4 year undergraduate study at a university, after which you can apply to medical school, which is 3 years. It's very, very competitive and difficult to get in without being the cream of the crop. For context, could someone explain the equivalent process for which Thorzain is applying ? It seems a bit premature to announce "medical school" before having started the initial 4 years of undergraduate work, at least in the U.S. Is it different in Europe ? Does the process in Europe not involved several hundred thousand in debt for the medical school part alone ? Is it not as competitive as a barrier to entry as it is in the U.S. ? Dunno about the specifics in Sweden, but here in Germany you apply for medical school after high school. You typically do your "A-levels" with 18 or 19, then apply at an university (you typically need really good grades to make it) and study for around six years, whereof the last year is partical training at a hospital. Afterwards, however, many students decide to continue their studies and become medical specialists, which takes another five years. However, I am not a doctor, so I may have missed some subtleties. On August 15 2013 04:43 Kaitlin wrote: Is that before the initial 4 years to get the undergraduate degree from a university ? Also, it seems pretty costly to have a completely open door to the initial year of education before the screening process takes place. Does the student bear these costs or is it the taxpayer ? Dude, here in Europe, it's always the taxpayer! And yes, it is before. | ||
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Burns
United States2300 Posts
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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Philozovic
France1676 Posts
On August 15 2013 04:43 Kaitlin wrote: Is that before the initial 4 years to get the undergraduate degree from a university ? Also, it seems pretty costly to have a completely open door to the initial year of education before the screening process takes place. Does the student bear these costs or is it the taxpayer ? Tax payer, Public University (all med school are) in france are more or less free (at most 750e/y if your parents are wealthy and with only one child iirc) and yes it's just after HS. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On August 15 2013 05:04 Kaitlin wrote: Actually, I was wrong about it being 3 years in the U.S. It's 4 years of Medical School, after the 4 years of undergraduate study. Of course, after medical school is another 3 years of "hands on" as an intern. Every step of the way is very restrictive (competitively and financially) and it's hardly something you can expect to complete, especially before having even started the process at all. yea 4 years of undergrad (usually, some people can complete college degree in 3 years) 2 years of pre clinical studies in medical school USMLE, step 1 - a single most important exam in all medical students' lives 2 years of clinicals in medical school -> MD degree 4 years of residency 2 or more years of fellowship So it's a long long process to become a doctor in the US | ||
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SeraNyan
United States16 Posts
The Swedish system probably has a system like the majority of the European systems in which you can get to med school either through a 6-year program straight from high school or a 4-year program designed for people with a bachelor's degree. The degree's official title would likely be MBBS (not MD. MD is a denomination used for US and Canadian medical schools). The 6-year program is probably something like a condensed 2-year bachelor program with a 4-year medicine program. My prediction with TZain? This is retirement. As much as I want to see him do both, it's pretty much impossible. 1st year in the 4 year program is full-time for 10 of 12 months of the year, and generally encompasses anatomy, biochemistry, histology, bioethics, physiology, neurology, behavioural sciences, etc. for any non-system-based program, or GI, cardio, etc. for any system based program. Nobody knows how hard it is until they go through it. Nobody expects med school to be as hard as it actually is. Anatomy tore me a new butthole while biochem and histo dumped their load in said new butthole during my first 6 months of med school, with a followup from physiology and neurology tag-team action. That was the easier of the 2 basic sciences years. The US medical system is this: Undergraduate degree MCAT Med school years 1/2 (Basic sciences) USMLE step 1 <-- This is the SECOND most important exam Med school year 3 (clinical) USMLE Step 2 CS/CK <-- THIS is the most important exam Med school year 4 (clinical) Graduate --> you are officially an MD at this point USMLE Step 3 (which can be taken any time after graduation, but must be completed before year 2 is over) <-- This is the most important exam in a med student's life if you didn't match OR if you want fellowship. Residency (minimum 3 years, in something like family medicine) Boards (taken at the end of residency) Licensure If you want to specialize, fellowships Most systems have similar requirements, but in general you do need a lot of country-wide examinations. If TZain is somehow godlike in medicine, the clinical years does give you a lot more leeway in terms of time to practice for SC2. Of course, like the first years before the clinical years, you can't really take days off to go off on a tournament or something silly like that. It's too bad though, Since he has always been my favourite foreign terran. Hope this helps, nyan. | ||
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hangene92
Canada258 Posts
I know you will do great at school and just keep yourself motivated. Best of luck!~ | ||
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trada
Germany347 Posts
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
For me, it was literally 12 hours of studying a day, 6 days a week. But maybe the first couple years won't be so bad (the "premed" years?). | ||
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Cauldron
Finland125 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
On August 15 2013 05:04 Kaitlin wrote: Actually, I was wrong about it being 3 years in the U.S. It's 4 years of Medical School, after the 4 years of undergraduate study. Of course, after medical school is another 3 years of "hands on" as an intern. Every step of the way is very restrictive (competitively and financially) and it's hardly something you can expect to complete, especially before having even started the process at all. Actually, it goes something like this: You're right that first you need an undergraduate degree (on top of a combination of research experience, volunteer experience, physician shadowing experience, acute patient care work experience, etc. etc.). Then you take your MCAT and apply to medical school. (You can do this during your senior year in undergrad, but many students take a year or 2 off to fill out their resume and become more competitive.) After that, you're also right that medical school takes 4 years. 2 preclinical years and 2 years of clinical rotations. (Rotations are set in teaching hospitals where you get experience in different areas of medicine. These areas include pediatrics, OBGYN, emegency, etc. These rotations are all standard, but you also take elective rotations of your choice. At the end of each rotation, you get graded by the doctor you're working under/alongside.) Once you get your degree, the first year as an actual doctor is considered your Internship year. In this year you're still going to be watched over very carefully but you'll obviously have much more responsibility. Note that you have to complete your Internship if you want to open a private practice or something like that. This year is mandatory (unless there are some exceptions I don't know about?). The years after that, you are considered a Resident... but that's another story. The main bottle neck is getting into medical school itself. There is zero bottleneck in becoming a "premed" student. And US medical schools actually have a very high matriculation rate (85%+). Meaning, once you get accepted, through the screening process, you probably have what it takes to graduate if you don't screw around. I'm saying that the screening process from premed to medical school is hyper competitive. Anyone can declare themselves a "premed" student. That title actually means zero except among premed students (and impressing your friends & family). The only thing "premed" means (in the US) is that you intend to complete the prerequisite classes required for admittance into medical school during your time in college (no matter what your major is). TL;DR - Just some bullshit. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On August 15 2013 05:04 Burns wrote: This is just like suppy, med student and he plays on EG He's a med student? Nah, I'm pretty sure he's an undergrad at UCB | ||
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SeraNyan
United States16 Posts
On August 15 2013 06:47 MrSexington wrote: The main bottle neck is getting into medical school itself. There is zero bottleneck in becoming a "premed" student. And US medical schools actually have a very high matriculation rate (85%+). Meaning, once you get accepted, through the screening process, you probably have what it takes to graduate if you don't screw around. The same goes for getting your medical degree to becoming an intern to becoming a resident. I'm not saying medical school is easy. I'm saying that the screening process from premed to medical school is hyper competitive. Well.....residency is the second bottleneck....It's no longer reasonable to state that if you are a US med graduate, you automatically can get a residency (even if it's family med). But I agree with the assertions you made, nyan. Whatever it is, I do hope to see ThorZain once in a while, nyan. | ||
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