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If Grubby wins I might break down and cry in joy. Hoping for tears tomorrow guys! 
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On August 11 2013 08:58 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote:
Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath. so why didnt you apply the same rules to your quake career and become the best in the world?Oh i forgot its easy to give advice to pros such as Naniwa,Lucifron,Hasuobs,Stephano who do not stream,train 12 hours a day and still barely manage to hold their grounds against koreans.And btw quake 1 was 100% american.Funny that you never had to face serious asian competition.
first of all, mr misinformed illiterate dude, how do you know i wasnt the best in the world hm? but im not here to talk about quake. (although when talking about skillgap between asians and non asians, its important to note that the best quake/fps players have been american/swedish/finnish/russian while the only asian good enough to compete, rocketboy never made it into a top8, afaik) yes, it is easy to give advice because its the only advice to give, practice harder...or continue to get raped by koreans.
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On August 11 2013 09:02 imareaver3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote:
Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath. That doesn't explain why the foreigners who just got knocked out consistently defeated many, many Koreans (including those who just knocked them out) in the previous two rounds. Every RO16 group had a foreigner in first place. This result is just kind of weird, given the rest of the tourney.
i mean, its starcraft.. a game of randomness and tons of variables.. every here and again the better player loses, one of the drawbacks of the game IMO. Also its worth noting that all of the foreigners who finished first in the ro16 got one of their wins from another foreigner. But.. like i said.. more often than not the more mechanically sound players will win, and thats precisely what happened in the round of 8, when it was best of 5 and the koreans could focus all of their efforts in one matchup.
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On August 11 2013 09:51 Woosixion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 08:58 theking1 wrote:On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote:
Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath. so why didnt you apply the same rules to your quake career and become the best in the world?Oh i forgot its easy to give advice to pros such as Naniwa,Lucifron,Hasuobs,Stephano who do not stream,train 12 hours a day and still barely manage to hold their grounds against koreans.And btw quake 1 was 100% american.Funny that you never had to face serious asian competition. first of all, mr misinformed illiterate dude, how do you know i wasnt the best in the world hm? but im not here to talk about quake. (although when talking about skillgap between asians and non asians, its important to note that the best quake/fps players have been american/swedish/finnish/russian while the only asian good enough to compete, rocketboy never made it into a top8, afaik) yes, it is easy to give advice because its the only advice to give, practice harder...or continue to get raped by koreans.
You are totally misinformed and you obviously do not follow starcraft/For the past 3 years foreigners from all regions have been slaughtered by koreans although most of them practice 12 hours a day and this is their jobs.Koreans have better infrastructure,better teams,better training,more money than foreigners.It has nothing to do with foreigners being lazy or not having the right mindset.
mean, its starcraft.. a game of randomness and tons of variables.
Yeah man its just like poker.the guy with the straight flush wins.lol
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without high level like MVP, stephano....i pity WCS EU.
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You are totally misinformed and you obviously do not follow starcraft/For the past 3 years foreigners from all regions have been slaughtered by koreans although most of them practice 12 hours a day and this is their jobs.Koreans have better infrastructure,better teams,better training,more money than foreigners.It has nothing to do with foreigners being lazy or not having the right mindset.
Yeah man its just like poker.the guy with the straight flush wins.lol
dude.. are you being funny or something? because poker is just like starcraft just worse... you make perfect reads, plays, bets.. and some lucky retard lucks out and rivers a straight flush vs your ace high flush because hes too fkn stupid to fold.
No, i am not misinformed... if this is the case, than why dont foreigners goto korea to benefit from the same training? oh wait thats right.. they do, stay over for a few months and come to the realization that they will never be able to step to the koreans and would rather stay in their respective regions where they can be big fishies in small ponds. (cough cough sheth, cough cough naniwa)
And come to think of it... when idra was staying in korea in 2010-2011 he was considered to be the best foreigner and the best hope at an american winning a gsl. then what happens? he decides that he would rather take the easy money in the states then honing his skills even further in the starcraft motherland, comes back... gets a groupie girlfriend, bombs out of his next few tournies and has not had any notable results since (except the ro16 finish in the wcs finals.. big whoop) and we all know whats become of idra.
On the other side of the coin... look at scarlett the only north american in the ro8 of american wcs. what is she doing right? well.... shes on a korean team, PERIOD. if its such a freaking infrastructure problem.. well then move to korea so you can benefit from the same enviroment, that is if your man enough. it has EVERYTHING to with mindset... and her mindset is that if you cant beat em....join em.
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Wow this group is depressing, rooting for Grubby though -- always a huge fan of him and his play. I wouldn't mind an MC victory though if it keeps him in the scene or revives him a bit. <3 MC
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On August 11 2013 09:51 Woosixion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 08:58 theking1 wrote:On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote:
Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath. so why didnt you apply the same rules to your quake career and become the best in the world?Oh i forgot its easy to give advice to pros such as Naniwa,Lucifron,Hasuobs,Stephano who do not stream,train 12 hours a day and still barely manage to hold their grounds against koreans.And btw quake 1 was 100% american.Funny that you never had to face serious asian competition. first of all, mr misinformed illiterate dude, how do you know i wasnt the best in the world hm? but im not here to talk about quake. (although when talking about skillgap between asians and non asians, its important to note that the best quake/fps players have been american/swedish/finnish/russian while the only asian good enough to compete, rocketboy never made it into a top8, afaik) yes, it is easy to give advice because its the only advice to give, practice harder...or continue to get raped by koreans.
He knows because you are dumping dumb shit from 2/3 years ago.
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Canada16217 Posts
Thanks for the preview/recap!
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On August 11 2013 12:06 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 09:51 Woosixion wrote:On August 11 2013 08:58 theking1 wrote:On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote:
Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath. so why didnt you apply the same rules to your quake career and become the best in the world?Oh i forgot its easy to give advice to pros such as Naniwa,Lucifron,Hasuobs,Stephano who do not stream,train 12 hours a day and still barely manage to hold their grounds against koreans.And btw quake 1 was 100% american.Funny that you never had to face serious asian competition. first of all, mr misinformed illiterate dude, how do you know i wasnt the best in the world hm? but im not here to talk about quake. (although when talking about skillgap between asians and non asians, its important to note that the best quake/fps players have been american/swedish/finnish/russian while the only asian good enough to compete, rocketboy never made it into a top8, afaik) yes, it is easy to give advice because its the only advice to give, practice harder...or continue to get raped by koreans. He knows because you are dumping dumb shit from 2/3 years ago.
whats dumb shit from 2-3 years ago? im lost.. and whatever it is koreans have been dominating starcraft for.... alot longer then 2-3 years... and americans have been dominating quake forever (see qcon 2013 and all the ones before it, most of top 8 spots are filled by americans)... so its all relative.
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On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote:
Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath.
hey, i wish i'd had this knowledge when i was younger... it dawned on me two years ago, and i'm 26 now. i explain to people i had this revelation that you can become superb in what you wanna do, just by putting in the right kind of practice, but they shrug it off as "obvious", yet no one fully believes they could become professional writers, sport pros, whatever...
wish i had known this when i was 8 and still playing soccer. wish someone would have explained this to me. fuck. one day, i was sitting in a train next to the youth team of a german pro soccer club. one guy talked about how he stays at the soccer field after the official training, practicing certain things on his own. i knew who of these guys would become a pro.
i think you are right about foreigners. they are doing crucial mistakes in their practice, like neglecting mechanics. i actually explained this to TLO in one of his recent blogs. his blog was about his new practice schedule and how he'll try totally hard now, blabla. i told him to look at the keyboard like an instrument where there's different melodic scales which you wanna learn to play very fast, like 1a2a3a4a. he didnt respond to me sadly, guess he thought i was an idiot. or he was just ignoring it cause deep inside he knew he was too lazy. i made several more suggestions, but i dont want to go into it 
people here are naysayers. you come up with a "new" concept or idea, people will not like it. period. seen this again and again and again. so dont worry about explaining this piece of wisdom to anyone.
OK, really felt to get this off my chest.
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MC MC MC!!! all the way, I love his style
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Honestly, we should be cheering for duckdeok. He has come a long way. Not many people know this, but before he was duckdeok or finale, he was known as loverip. Yeah, the kid who was a victim of the werra manager.
It's amazing to see that he hasn't let past traumatic incidences hinder him. He such a cool and cheery dude. Hope he does well tomorrow.
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On August 11 2013 13:50 ptbl wrote:
Honestly, we should be cheering for duckdeok. He has come a long way. Not many people know this, but before he was duckdeok or finale, he was known as loverip. Yeah, the kid who was a victim of the werra manager.
It's amazing to see that he hasn't let past traumatic incidences hinder him. He such a cool and cheery dude. Hope he does well tomorrow.
Holy shit. How do we all not know this? And yeah, it seems to be true. That's actually incredible. Definitely changes how I feel about duckdeok/LoveRip.
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On August 11 2013 13:50 ptbl wrote:
Honestly, we should be cheering for duckdeok. He has come a long way. Not many people know this, but before he was duckdeok or finale, he was known as loverip. Yeah, the kid who was a victim of the werra manager.
It's amazing to see that he hasn't let past traumatic incidences hinder him. He such a cool and cheery dude. Hope he does well tomorrow.
shiit.sorry to hear bout that.just did a google search and red about the sorry.feel sorry for him now  (.luckyly he wasn't actually raped or anything just met with a very disturbed individual.anyway hope the former manager whatever is in jail now with a shank up his ass.as for duckdeok good for him that he made it so far but the foreigners gotta eat to
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i feel that Duckdeok will win by my heart is with min chul
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In such doubt.. I want to root for MC but I can't forget about Grubby..
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i like quick recaps... gj
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everyone loves duckdeok!
Wut you talking about waxangle?
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