Day one of the WCS Europe Season II finals concluded with a result many hoped to avoid, but most knew to be inevitable: the Koreans dominated the competition. Acer.MMA, SK_MC, and MVP.duckdeok, the three surviving Koreans in the tournament, made the most of their opportunity in a foreign land, defeating their European opponents and booking spots in the semi-finals. As an added bonus, they received spots in the upcoming combined Season Finals at Gamescom, where they are sure to meet several of their Korean brethren.
The first match of the night saw the Mvp-slaying mouz.HasuObs lose 1 - 3 to Mvp's greatest foe in MMA. Though HasuObs showed some good play in spurts, his games were also marred by some sloppy mistakes, none more crucial than a move-command into MMA's army that cost him game two on Bel'Shir Vestige. Although HasuObs was able to take one map off of MMA, his fate was eventually sealed after a failed blink all-in on Whirlwind.
The next Korean to win would be the most famous foreigner-slayer in SK_MC, who went up against a confident NrSWelmu. Even MC seemed a bit wary of PvP, but the result was a one-sided 3 - 0 victory for the bosstoss. Whether it was builds, compositions, or execution, MC looked one level above Welmu in every facet on the night, easily securing his semi-final ticket.
Alliance.NaNiwa was the player who many European fans were most hopeful about, but unfortunately he could not overcome the European newcomer MVP.duckdeok. Duckdeok showcased some of the aggressive play that garnered him a reputation as villain so far this tournament, even using a 4-gate to kill the former 4-gate master NaNiwa. The Swede looked out of sorts on the day, commenting on his form as he left the final game. Even Grubby would later mention that he did not seem to be in good condition.
Of the Europeans, only fan-favorite Grubby survived, emerging victorious in a Ro32 rematch against Spain's mouz.VortiX. Having lost to VortiX in the earlier round of the tournament, Grubby returned with stronger PvZ than he had shown before, taking revenge with a convincing 3 - 1 victory. Although VortiX's strong roach-hydra-viper play won him the first map, Grubby recovered his bearings to take three straight wins in return. In each game he defeated a different tech from VortiX, going from swarm hosts, to ultralisks, and finally to muta-corruptor.
Grubby moves on as the final non-Korean in the tournament, facing Duckdeok in the semi-finals while MMA and MC square off on the other side of the bracket. The losers will still return on day two, as there are two spots at the WCS Season Finals to be won.
Day 2 Preview: Consolation Matches
The second and final day will begin with the 'consolation' matches, with two players receiving tickets to the WCS Season Finals at Gamescom on August 25. There, they will have a chance at redemption as they go up against the best players from all three WCS regions.
Countdown:
HasuObs vs. Welmu
Welmu professed confidence in PvP heading into his match against MC, but the result was a disaster. Perhaps it was just nerves? In any case, at least his preparation won't go to waste as he'll get to play second PvP series against HasuObs. While it may seem like Welmu has the advantage from a preparation standpoint, HasuObs' PvP record over the last month has been stellar. This should be a close match, and it's difficult to call. We flipped a coin, and it came out HasuObs. Prediction: HasuObs wins.
NaNiwa vs. VortiX
Like the above match, one player will come in with a preparation advantage due to their Ro8 match. In fact, it's even clearer in VortiX's case, as he faced an all-Protoss group in the Ro16, and then faced Grubby in the Ro8. Meanwhile, it's hard to tell what NaNiwa has been practicing for. Even if ZvP wasn't the match-up he practiced for in the Ro8, NaNiwa might still welcome a return to it since it's given him some tournament success so far in HotS. Prediction: VortiX wins. NaNiwa was on tilt when he lost to Duckdeok—can he be ready by tomorrow?
Day 2 Preview: Semi-Finals and Beyond
We're down to our final four players! Let's meet them in brief.
Acer.MMA: MMA managed to beat HasuObs, but he looked shaky. When MMA says he's not confident in his TvP, he is definitely not exaggerating. It's going to be a rough road for MMA with just Protoss opponents remaining in the tournament, and it's hard to see him winning unless he improves from his games against HasuObs. One thing he does have going for him is decent ghost micro, although it didn't prevent him from eating several 100% duration storms during his quarter-final series.
SK_MC: The most notable thing about MC at this tournament wasn't even his play—it was his demeanor. While he was still as jovial as ever, gone was the unbridled confidence that he would crush all other opponents. He spoke of WCS EU as a "last chance," something you'd never have expected to hear from him in the past. Still, his play against Welmu was impressive, and he should be even or better against any potential Protoss opponents. The key against MMA in the semi-finals will be his signature oracle play, and whether or not he wants to stick to it despite it being well-known.
MVP.duckdeok: Duckdeok is the cruel reminder that any fringe Code S player can become an instant championship contender in the foreign scene. He's a pretty good player, maybe even better than MMA or MC at this point in their careers, but any skill duckdeok has will be completely overshadowed by the fact that he likes all-ins and has killed off everyone's fan favorites. If he wins? Kennigit will hand duckdeok the trophy on camera, and then light himself on fire before jumping out the nearest window.
Grubby: The usual fan favorite will be an even bigger fan favorite as the last non-Korean in the tournament. All things considered, it's not as bad as it could have been for Grubby. When you hear "you're the last foreigner left against three Koreans," you expect to be totally dead, but that's not the case (that'll come in the combined season finals). Grubby has slugged it out evenly with plenty of Korean players in PvP, and MMA's weak looking TvP presents an opportunity. Grubby has a chance—don't feel bad about getting your hopes up!
Ah duckdeok the typical:"i am a no name korean.I haven't won anythuing notably in korea and probably i will never win anything in my life but i am having a good season now so i am crushing all the foreigners in Europe right now thus lowering the viewership numbers.Next season i probably i wont be around anymore but who cares.There are hundreds of no name koreans waiting to have a good season and take my place.it is not like blizzard is doing anything about it.The fact that i can not make top 50 in korea right now is not my problem.Who cares.Who cares about quality of play.Who cares about the european viewers.Who cares about the fact i do not speak english.I wil beat everyone and then go back to korea with the $$$$"
If it weren't for mma and mc and grubby i would not have tunes in for this wcs eu which is basicly transforming in wcs na.Two more duckdeok's and wcs eu will have the same viewership as wcs na and the forreign viewership of sc2 wil go lower and lower.
If duckdeok somehow wins the championship, the ensuing hilarity would be lovely. And TBH the guy kind of deserves it for his great attitude despite the long and tortous career in SC2.
On August 11 2013 04:30 theking1 wrote: Ah duckdeok the typical:"i am a no name korean.I haven't won anythuing notably in korea and probably i will never win anything in my life but i am having a good season now so i am crushing all the foreigners in Europe right now thus lowering the viewership numbers.Next season i probably i wont be around anymore but who cares.There are hundreds of no name koreans waiting to have a good season and take my place.it is not like blizzard is doing anything about it.The fact that i can not make top 50 in korea right now is not my problem.Who cares.Who cares about quality of play.Who cares about the european viewers.Who cares about the fact i do not speak english.I wil beat everyone and then go back to korea with the $$$$"
If it weren't for mma and mc and grubby i would not have tunes in for this wcs eu which is basicly transforming in wcs na.Two more duckdeok's and wcs eu will have the same viewership as wcs na and the forreign viewership of sc2 wil go lower and lower.
Or, EU/NA players could just get better and defeat Koreans?
Too much qq, foreigners just need to step up their game.
On August 11 2013 04:38 tshi wrote: Who is duckduck? I hadn't heard of him til like a week ago. Is he like stardust? Or did he have another name before?
On August 11 2013 04:30 theking1 wrote: Ah duckdeok the typical:"i am a no name korean.I haven't won anythuing notably in korea and probably i will never win anything in my life but i am having a good season now so i am crushing all the foreigners in Europe right now thus lowering the viewership numbers.Next season i probably i wont be around anymore but who cares.There are hundreds of no name koreans waiting to have a good season and take my place.it is not like blizzard is doing anything about it.The fact that i can not make top 50 in korea right now is not my problem.Who cares.Who cares about quality of play.Who cares about the european viewers.Who cares about the fact i do not speak english.I wil beat everyone and then go back to korea with the $$$$"
If it weren't for mma and mc and grubby i would not have tunes in for this wcs eu which is basicly transforming in wcs na.Two more duckdeok's and wcs eu will have the same viewership as wcs na and the forreign viewership of sc2 wil go lower and lower.
Or, EU/NA players could just get better and defeat Koreans?
Too much qq, foreigners just need to step up their game.
No they do not.They bring in fans aka viewers and are the bes tin their region.without foreigners there wouldnt even be wcs na and wcs eu and we would return to a bw state when only korea mattered.This happens while games such as league of legends give korea only 2 spots for the world finals although they probably have the top 6 teams in the world(thewy only received t 3 teams this year cause they won the allstar match).And you know why?:for ENTERTAINMENT purposes.Because they do not wish to lose the foreign viewership like sc2 has.
On August 11 2013 04:30 theking1 wrote: Ah duckdeok the typical:"i am a no name korean.I haven't won anythuing notably in korea and probably i will never win anything in my life but i am having a good season now so i am crushing all the foreigners in Europe right now thus lowering the viewership numbers.Next season i probably i wont be around anymore but who cares.There are hundreds of no name koreans waiting to have a good season and take my place.it is not like blizzard is doing anything about it.The fact that i can not make top 50 in korea right now is not my problem.Who cares.Who cares about quality of play.Who cares about the european viewers.Who cares about the fact i do not speak english.I wil beat everyone and then go back to korea with the $$$$"
If it weren't for mma and mc and grubby i would not have tunes in for this wcs eu which is basicly transforming in wcs na.Two more duckdeok's and wcs eu will have the same viewership as wcs na and the forreign viewership of sc2 wil go lower and lower.
Don't worry about the 2 more duckdeoks. San, Genius and Stardust are playing challenge league and could be in premier next season. There's also Tails who is even more cheesier than duckdeok.
Season 1: MVP, Forgg Season 2: MC, MMA, Duckdeok Season 3: ????
On August 11 2013 04:30 theking1 wrote: Ah duckdeok the typical:"i am a no name korean.I haven't won anythuing notably in korea and probably i will never win anything in my life but i am having a good season now so i am crushing all the foreigners in Europe right now thus lowering the viewership numbers.Next season i probably i wont be around anymore but who cares.There are hundreds of no name koreans waiting to have a good season and take my place.it is not like blizzard is doing anything about it.The fact that i can not make top 50 in korea right now is not my problem.Who cares.Who cares about quality of play.Who cares about the european viewers.Who cares about the fact i do not speak english.I wil beat everyone and then go back to korea with the $$$$"
If it weren't for mma and mc and grubby i would not have tunes in for this wcs eu which is basicly transforming in wcs na.Two more duckdeok's and wcs eu will have the same viewership as wcs na and the forreign viewership of sc2 wil go lower and lower.
Don't worry about the 2 more duckdeoks. San, Genius and Stardust are playing challenge league and could be in premier next season. There's also Tails who is even more cheesier than duckdeok.
Season 1: MVP, Forgg Season 2: MC, MMA, Duckdeok Season 3: ????
Yeah i know.And god knows how many more will just just pop out of nowhere.I would not be surprised if 7 out of top 8 next wcs eu season is korean who can not make code a in korea.
i come home and see these results.... the guys I rooted for are all out except for Grubby makes me almost be happy i wasn't at home all day and couldn't watch
"Kennigit will hand duckdeok the trophy on camera, and then light himself on fire before jumping out the nearest window." LOL. Can't wait to see this happen although MMA will rule all! :D
On August 11 2013 04:30 theking1 wrote: Ah duckdeok the typical:"i am a no name korean.I haven't won anythuing notably in korea and probably i will never win anything in my life but i am having a good season now so i am crushing all the foreigners in Europe right now thus lowering the viewership numbers.Next season i probably i wont be around anymore but who cares.There are hundreds of no name koreans waiting to have a good season and take my place.it is not like blizzard is doing anything about it.The fact that i can not make top 50 in korea right now is not my problem.Who cares.Who cares about quality of play.Who cares about the european viewers.Who cares about the fact i do not speak english.I wil beat everyone and then go back to korea with the $$$$"
If it weren't for mma and mc and grubby i would not have tunes in for this wcs eu which is basicly transforming in wcs na.Two more duckdeok's and wcs eu will have the same viewership as wcs na and the forreign viewership of sc2 wil go lower and lower.
On August 11 2013 04:38 tshi wrote: Who is duckduck? I hadn't heard of him til like a week ago. Is he like stardust? Or did he have another name before?
MVP Finale.
He's also loverip from werra
You know that kid.... from back then....
In all seriousness ducduck has had a really eventful career if you think of everything he's gone through and done. Not really a big deal if people don't know, he probably doesn't want people to know some of the stuff that happened in the past.
On August 11 2013 04:30 theking1 wrote: Ah duckdeok the typical:"i am a no name korean.I haven't won anythuing notably in korea and probably i will never win anything in my life but i am having a good season now so i am crushing all the foreigners in Europe right now thus lowering the viewership numbers.Next season i probably i wont be around anymore but who cares.There are hundreds of no name koreans waiting to have a good season and take my place.it is not like blizzard is doing anything about it.The fact that i can not make top 50 in korea right now is not my problem.Who cares.Who cares about quality of play.Who cares about the european viewers.Who cares about the fact i do not speak english.I wil beat everyone and then go back to korea with the $$$$"
If it weren't for mma and mc and grubby i would not have tunes in for this wcs eu which is basicly transforming in wcs na.Two more duckdeok's and wcs eu will have the same viewership as wcs na and the forreign viewership of sc2 wil go lower and lower.
You're only interested in 3 of the 4 guys left? How dare they not script this event exactly to your liking?!
why do these articles keep portraying duckdeok as the villain?? i mean common guys, he's the youngest guy in the tourney and just plays to win. he's not just a korean robot also; he smiles during interviews and expresses genuine emotion after big wins. (ie that crazy hold vs lucifron) so please guys stop trying to make duckdeok a villain just because he was born in korea.
On August 11 2013 05:28 Dragoonstorm7 wrote: why do these articles keep portraying duckdeok as the villain?? i mean common guys, he's the youngest guy in the tourney and just plays to win. he's not just a korean robot also; he smiles during interviews and expresses genuine emotion after big wins. (ie that crazy hold vs lucifron) so please guys stop trying to make duckdeok a villain just because he was born in korea.
because a guy who can not make top 30 in his own country doesn't deserve to be at the world finals.And he does not bring anything to europe either.Scares away the viewership which keeps the competition going.Which means less sponsors for european teams and a small likelyhood of sc2 eu pros.Not to mention the fact that the consolation matches will probably have higher viewership than the main final
MC needed to scare himself into championship form? Well, whatever works I suppose. MMA was par for the course as far as I'm concerned, but dammit Naniwa, you were supposed to be the chosen one! Well Grubby, here's hoping
On August 11 2013 05:28 Dragoonstorm7 wrote: why do these articles keep portraying duckdeok as the villain?? i mean common guys, he's the youngest guy in the tourney and just plays to win. he's not just a korean robot also; he smiles during interviews and expresses genuine emotion after big wins. (ie that crazy hold vs lucifron) so please guys stop trying to make duckdeok a villain just because he was born in korea.
because a guy who can not make top 30 in his own country doesn't deserve to be at the world finals.And he does not bring anything to europe either.Scares away the viewership which keeps the competition going.Which means less sponsors for european teams and a small likelyhood of sc2 eu pros.Not to mention the fact that the consolation matches will probably have higher viewership than the main final
ok, then if the best players in europe cant top a guy who isnt top 30 in korea, then they dont deserve to be at the world finals either. so your saying that lucifron and naniwa should make the world championships just because they are native to europe, despite the fact that they cant beat a non-top-30 korean? thats BS.
I am extremely happy that Protoss had a good showing in the event. It is great watching so much high quality Toss play.
Also, on the foreigner vs korean topic, who really cares? Don't we all want to watch quality StarCraft? While I agree that it would be nice to have more high quality foreign play, I'd rather not limit the amount of players korea can send to a tournament, if the NA/EU players can't compete with them in the regional level, why would they be able to compete with them on the global level. The GSL is the most watched league in the world, and that is almost exclusively koreans. Why? Because it is high quality StarCraft.
On August 11 2013 05:28 Dragoonstorm7 wrote: why do these articles keep portraying duckdeok as the villain?? i mean common guys, he's the youngest guy in the tourney and just plays to win. he's not just a korean robot also; he smiles during interviews and expresses genuine emotion after big wins. (ie that crazy hold vs lucifron) so please guys stop trying to make duckdeok a villain just because he was born in korea.
because a guy who can not make top 30 in his own country doesn't deserve to be at the world finals.And he does not bring anything to europe either.Scares away the viewership which keeps the competition going.Which means less sponsors for european teams and a small likelyhood of sc2 eu pros.Not to mention the fact that the consolation matches will probably have higher viewership than the main final
ok, then if the best players in europe cant top a guy who isnt top 30 in korea, then they dont deserve to be at the world finals either. so your saying that lucifron and naniwa should make the world championships just because they are native to europe, despite the fact that they cant beat a non-top-30 korean? thats BS.
corect.realistically speaking only the top 30 form korea deserve ot be at world finals.Regions such as na and eu are there to give players form those regions a chance to compete and promote sc2 in those regions.And the wcs fails dramatically since players from eu and na are not able to compete hence low viewership and not rpomoting sc2.the number 1 in korea vs the number 100 in korea who only managed to go at finals cause he ran form korea and went to europe and na is not good form a level of play point of view and neither from an entertainment point of view.
Tl DR:this doesnt accomplish anything.neither level of play,neither entertainment
I just don't know if StarCraft can continue to hold my attention. Grubby is the last hope for "Europe?" Jaedong and Jim in the "American" WCS? I love Grubby as much as the next guy, but WCS needs to fix their system.
I still do not understand the problem with WCS system. Maybe it is because i do not consider it as some bs of promoting sc and growing scene. I just consider it as a fine and drawn out qualifier for Blizzcon (or any WCS finals in general).
On August 11 2013 04:30 theking1 wrote: Ah duckdeok the typical:"i am a no name korean.I haven't won anythuing notably in korea and probably i will never win anything in my life but i am having a good season now so i am crushing all the foreigners in Europe right now thus lowering the viewership numbers.Next season i probably i wont be around anymore but who cares.There are hundreds of no name koreans waiting to have a good season and take my place.it is not like blizzard is doing anything about it.The fact that i can not make top 50 in korea right now is not my problem.Who cares.Who cares about quality of play.Who cares about the european viewers.Who cares about the fact i do not speak english.I wil beat everyone and then go back to korea with the $$$$"
If it weren't for mma and mc and grubby i would not have tunes in for this wcs eu which is basicly transforming in wcs na.Two more duckdeok's and wcs eu will have the same viewership as wcs na and the forreign viewership of sc2 wil go lower and lower.
But but but Europe holds, right?
Uhm, you're from the US, I don't think you should be making fun of EU representation in their own WCS lol. With 5/8 in Ro8 being European they did just fine. How did the US do again in WCS AM Ro8? Oh right, 0/8. It took a Canadian to prevent it from being an all-Asian affair in Ro8 -.-
Happy for Grubby, hope he can beat the duck next round
I am actually cheering for Duckdeok because wasn't he the one that was sexually abused by GundamWeRRA few years back? If he is, he did a great job overcoming such traumas and making a name for himself.
Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath.
On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote: Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath.
so why didnt you apply the same rules to your quake career and become the best in the world?Oh i forgot its easy to give advice to pros such as Naniwa,Lucifron,Hasuobs,Stephano who do not stream,train 12 hours a day and still barely manage to hold their grounds against koreans.And btw quake 1 was 100% american.Funny that you never had to face serious asian competition.
On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote: Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath.
That doesn't explain why the foreigners who just got knocked out consistently defeated many, many Koreans (including those who just knocked them out) in the previous two rounds. Every RO16 group had a foreigner in first place. This result is just kind of weird, given the rest of the tourney.
On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote: Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath.
so why didnt you apply the same rules to your quake career and become the best in the world?Oh i forgot its easy to give advice to pros such as Naniwa,Lucifron,Hasuobs,Stephano who do not stream,train 12 hours a day and still barely manage to hold their grounds against koreans.And btw quake 1 was 100% american.Funny that you never had to face serious asian competition.
first of all, mr misinformed illiterate dude, how do you know i wasnt the best in the world hm? but im not here to talk about quake. (although when talking about skillgap between asians and non asians, its important to note that the best quake/fps players have been american/swedish/finnish/russian while the only asian good enough to compete, rocketboy never made it into a top8, afaik) yes, it is easy to give advice because its the only advice to give, practice harder...or continue to get raped by koreans.
On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote: Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath.
That doesn't explain why the foreigners who just got knocked out consistently defeated many, many Koreans (including those who just knocked them out) in the previous two rounds. Every RO16 group had a foreigner in first place. This result is just kind of weird, given the rest of the tourney.
i mean, its starcraft.. a game of randomness and tons of variables.. every here and again the better player loses, one of the drawbacks of the game IMO. Also its worth noting that all of the foreigners who finished first in the ro16 got one of their wins from another foreigner. But.. like i said.. more often than not the more mechanically sound players will win, and thats precisely what happened in the round of 8, when it was best of 5 and the koreans could focus all of their efforts in one matchup.
On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote: Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath.
so why didnt you apply the same rules to your quake career and become the best in the world?Oh i forgot its easy to give advice to pros such as Naniwa,Lucifron,Hasuobs,Stephano who do not stream,train 12 hours a day and still barely manage to hold their grounds against koreans.And btw quake 1 was 100% american.Funny that you never had to face serious asian competition.
first of all, mr misinformed illiterate dude, how do you know i wasnt the best in the world hm? but im not here to talk about quake. (although when talking about skillgap between asians and non asians, its important to note that the best quake/fps players have been american/swedish/finnish/russian while the only asian good enough to compete, rocketboy never made it into a top8, afaik) yes, it is easy to give advice because its the only advice to give, practice harder...or continue to get raped by koreans.
You are totally misinformed and you obviously do not follow starcraft/For the past 3 years foreigners from all regions have been slaughtered by koreans although most of them practice 12 hours a day and this is their jobs.Koreans have better infrastructure,better teams,better training,more money than foreigners.It has nothing to do with foreigners being lazy or not having the right mindset.
mean, its starcraft.. a game of randomness and tons of variables.
Yeah man its just like poker.the guy with the straight flush wins.lol
You are totally misinformed and you obviously do not follow starcraft/For the past 3 years foreigners from all regions have been slaughtered by koreans although most of them practice 12 hours a day and this is their jobs.Koreans have better infrastructure,better teams,better training,more money than foreigners.It has nothing to do with foreigners being lazy or not having the right mindset.
Yeah man its just like poker.the guy with the straight flush wins.lol
dude.. are you being funny or something? because poker is just like starcraft just worse... you make perfect reads, plays, bets.. and some lucky retard lucks out and rivers a straight flush vs your ace high flush because hes too fkn stupid to fold.
No, i am not misinformed... if this is the case, than why dont foreigners goto korea to benefit from the same training? oh wait thats right.. they do, stay over for a few months and come to the realization that they will never be able to step to the koreans and would rather stay in their respective regions where they can be big fishies in small ponds. (cough cough sheth, cough cough naniwa)
And come to think of it... when idra was staying in korea in 2010-2011 he was considered to be the best foreigner and the best hope at an american winning a gsl. then what happens? he decides that he would rather take the easy money in the states then honing his skills even further in the starcraft motherland, comes back... gets a groupie girlfriend, bombs out of his next few tournies and has not had any notable results since (except the ro16 finish in the wcs finals.. big whoop) and we all know whats become of idra.
On the other side of the coin... look at scarlett the only north american in the ro8 of american wcs. what is she doing right? well.... shes on a korean team, PERIOD. if its such a freaking infrastructure problem.. well then move to korea so you can benefit from the same enviroment, that is if your man enough. it has EVERYTHING to with mindset... and her mindset is that if you cant beat em....join em.
Wow this group is depressing, rooting for Grubby though -- always a huge fan of him and his play. I wouldn't mind an MC victory though if it keeps him in the scene or revives him a bit. <3 MC
On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote: Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath.
so why didnt you apply the same rules to your quake career and become the best in the world?Oh i forgot its easy to give advice to pros such as Naniwa,Lucifron,Hasuobs,Stephano who do not stream,train 12 hours a day and still barely manage to hold their grounds against koreans.And btw quake 1 was 100% american.Funny that you never had to face serious asian competition.
first of all, mr misinformed illiterate dude, how do you know i wasnt the best in the world hm? but im not here to talk about quake. (although when talking about skillgap between asians and non asians, its important to note that the best quake/fps players have been american/swedish/finnish/russian while the only asian good enough to compete, rocketboy never made it into a top8, afaik) yes, it is easy to give advice because its the only advice to give, practice harder...or continue to get raped by koreans.
He knows because you are dumping dumb shit from 2/3 years ago.
On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote: Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath.
so why didnt you apply the same rules to your quake career and become the best in the world?Oh i forgot its easy to give advice to pros such as Naniwa,Lucifron,Hasuobs,Stephano who do not stream,train 12 hours a day and still barely manage to hold their grounds against koreans.And btw quake 1 was 100% american.Funny that you never had to face serious asian competition.
first of all, mr misinformed illiterate dude, how do you know i wasnt the best in the world hm? but im not here to talk about quake. (although when talking about skillgap between asians and non asians, its important to note that the best quake/fps players have been american/swedish/finnish/russian while the only asian good enough to compete, rocketboy never made it into a top8, afaik) yes, it is easy to give advice because its the only advice to give, practice harder...or continue to get raped by koreans.
He knows because you are dumping dumb shit from 2/3 years ago.
whats dumb shit from 2-3 years ago? im lost.. and whatever it is koreans have been dominating starcraft for.... alot longer then 2-3 years... and americans have been dominating quake forever (see qcon 2013 and all the ones before it, most of top 8 spots are filled by americans)... so its all relative.
On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote: Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath.
hey, i wish i'd had this knowledge when i was younger... it dawned on me two years ago, and i'm 26 now. i explain to people i had this revelation that you can become superb in what you wanna do, just by putting in the right kind of practice, but they shrug it off as "obvious", yet no one fully believes they could become professional writers, sport pros, whatever...
wish i had known this when i was 8 and still playing soccer. wish someone would have explained this to me. fuck. one day, i was sitting in a train next to the youth team of a german pro soccer club. one guy talked about how he stays at the soccer field after the official training, practicing certain things on his own. i knew who of these guys would become a pro.
i think you are right about foreigners. they are doing crucial mistakes in their practice, like neglecting mechanics. i actually explained this to TLO in one of his recent blogs. his blog was about his new practice schedule and how he'll try totally hard now, blabla. i told him to look at the keyboard like an instrument where there's different melodic scales which you wanna learn to play very fast, like 1a2a3a4a. he didnt respond to me sadly, guess he thought i was an idiot. or he was just ignoring it cause deep inside he knew he was too lazy. i made several more suggestions, but i dont want to go into it
people here are naysayers. you come up with a "new" concept or idea, people will not like it. period. seen this again and again and again. so dont worry about explaining this piece of wisdom to anyone.
Honestly, we should be cheering for duckdeok. He has come a long way. Not many people know this, but before he was duckdeok or finale, he was known as loverip. Yeah, the kid who was a victim of the werra manager.
It's amazing to see that he hasn't let past traumatic incidences hinder him. He such a cool and cheery dude. Hope he does well tomorrow.
On August 11 2013 13:50 ptbl wrote: Honestly, we should be cheering for duckdeok. He has come a long way. Not many people know this, but before he was duckdeok or finale, he was known as loverip. Yeah, the kid who was a victim of the werra manager.
It's amazing to see that he hasn't let past traumatic incidences hinder him. He such a cool and cheery dude. Hope he does well tomorrow.
Holy shit. How do we all not know this? And yeah, itseems to be true. That's actually incredible. Definitely changes how I feel about duckdeok/LoveRip.
On August 11 2013 13:50 ptbl wrote: Honestly, we should be cheering for duckdeok. He has come a long way. Not many people know this, but before he was duckdeok or finale, he was known as loverip. Yeah, the kid who was a victim of the werra manager.
It's amazing to see that he hasn't let past traumatic incidences hinder him. He such a cool and cheery dude. Hope he does well tomorrow.
shiit.sorry to hear bout that.just did a google search and red about the sorry.feel sorry for him now (.luckyly he wasn't actually raped or anything just met with a very disturbed individual.anyway hope the former manager whatever is in jail now with a shank up his ass.as for duckdeok good for him that he made it so far but the foreigners gotta eat to
I for one don't mind Koreans mingling with EUs or NAs. So many people are hating Koreans for being better than foreigners, sometimes I wonder why. I don't care what flag you fly, it's the play itself that's interesting.
I don't even get why Duckduck gets hated like this for no reason.
Welmu plays genius Starcraft in game 1 and wins game 1. As he gains confidence for the series, Hasuobs takes out his spoon and beats Welmu to death 3-1 after 6 hours of what is described (by Day9) as "posturing and penetrating" and "supreme positional starcraft"
Naniwa makes some fantastic plays and thinks he has won the first game, but then Vortix uses FreeUnits(TM) with vipers to stage a comeback and the Spaniard wins the first game. In the second game, Vortix goes blind 10 pool speed against some greedy gateway expand and does too much damage, so Nani rages about someone else being a bad player, the shittiness of the MSC and types G to go 0-2. Third game, Nani goes probe rush because the match is not really relevant to the outcome of the tournament (or is it)
MC does some crazy gateway timing / oracle all ins that puts him 2-0 up against MMA. Then MMA plays insanely good games on game 3 and 4 to pull it back to 2-2. Everyone says MMA will win, but MC goes proxy oracles against CC first into no units in game 5 and wins 3-2.
Grubby will win the first game by making a divine hold against a 3 gate all in, then also the second game with some godly airtoss play. 2-0 up and with everyone pumped for an MC vs Grubby final, Duckduck goes 4 gate 3 games in a row and bops Groovy 3 times in a row to win 3-2.
Finals, well need I say it, the cheeses are in the following order:
wcs am seems more entertaining this year thanks to great matches and great players ! the problem of wcs eu is simple : not the best players are in the finals so its boring .
But so many protosses... His TvP looks really, really weak, not enough to take it all I think. Still, that would make me so happy !
Otherwise, a Grubby win would be a nice thing, the guy has put a lot of work into his play and is def. improving consistently, that would be a great reward !
On August 11 2013 04:30 theking1 wrote: Ah duckdeok the typical:"i am a no name korean.I haven't won anythuing notably in korea and probably i will never win anything in my life but i am having a good season now so i am crushing all the foreigners in Europe right now thus lowering the viewership numbers.Next season i probably i wont be around anymore but who cares.There are hundreds of no name koreans waiting to have a good season and take my place.it is not like blizzard is doing anything about it.The fact that i can not make top 50 in korea right now is not my problem.Who cares.Who cares about quality of play.Who cares about the european viewers.Who cares about the fact i do not speak english.I wil beat everyone and then go back to korea with the $$$$"
If it weren't for mma and mc and grubby i would not have tunes in for this wcs eu which is basicly transforming in wcs na.Two more duckdeok's and wcs eu will have the same viewership as wcs na and the forreign viewership of sc2 wil go lower and lower.
personally in a fan of the korean domination, they are showing us how's it done
On August 11 2013 04:30 theking1 wrote: Ah duckdeok the typical:"i am a no name korean.I haven't won anythuing notably in korea and probably i will never win anything in my life but i am having a good season now so i am crushing all the foreigners in Europe right now thus lowering the viewership numbers.Next season i probably i wont be around anymore but who cares.There are hundreds of no name koreans waiting to have a good season and take my place.it is not like blizzard is doing anything about it.The fact that i can not make top 50 in korea right now is not my problem.Who cares.Who cares about quality of play.Who cares about the european viewers.Who cares about the fact i do not speak english.I wil beat everyone and then go back to korea with the $$$$"
If it weren't for mma and mc and grubby i would not have tunes in for this wcs eu which is basicly transforming in wcs na.Two more duckdeok's and wcs eu will have the same viewership as wcs na and the forreign viewership of sc2 wil go lower and lower.
There are a lot of inconsistencies in your post and it feels very intolerant, to say the least. First of all; It's not Duckdeok's fault that he is able to compete in the WCS Europe and that he is good enough to be a title contender (meaning the quality of his play is relatively high in foreigner terms). He's trying to make a living and he isn't committing any crimes is he? I love it that MC has improved upon his English but I don't hold it against MMA that he can't/ doesn't feel comfortable enough to speak it. You however, complain that there are only 3 out of 4 players left to cheer for (lol) with 2 of them not speaking English, but apparently that's only a problem for the one you not cheer for. If Duckdeok wins this tournament or a series of tournaments even, but none in Korea; Would you still consider him a no name? You want Blizzard to implement a rule, specifically for Koreans, that they can only participate in a non-Korean region if they did win a GSL/ OSL?
On August 11 2013 04:30 theking1 wrote: Ah duckdeok the typical:"i am a no name korean.I haven't won anythuing notably in korea and probably i will never win anything in my life but i am having a good season now so i am crushing all the foreigners in Europe right now thus lowering the viewership numbers.Next season i probably i wont be around anymore but who cares.There are hundreds of no name koreans waiting to have a good season and take my place.it is not like blizzard is doing anything about it.The fact that i can not make top 50 in korea right now is not my problem.Who cares.Who cares about quality of play.Who cares about the european viewers.Who cares about the fact i do not speak english.I wil beat everyone and then go back to korea with the $$$$"
If it weren't for mma and mc and grubby i would not have tunes in for this wcs eu which is basicly transforming in wcs na.Two more duckdeok's and wcs eu will have the same viewership as wcs na and the forreign viewership of sc2 wil go lower and lower.
Be angry at people that make the rules, not the ones that follow them. Duckdeok saw a chance and grabbed him and you are blaming for it which is absolutely ridiculous.
On August 11 2013 04:30 theking1 wrote: Ah duckdeok the typical:"i am a no name korean.I haven't won anythuing notably in korea and probably i will never win anything in my life but i am having a good season now so i am crushing all the foreigners in Europe right now thus lowering the viewership numbers.Next season i probably i wont be around anymore but who cares.There are hundreds of no name koreans waiting to have a good season and take my place.it is not like blizzard is doing anything about it.The fact that i can not make top 50 in korea right now is not my problem.Who cares.Who cares about quality of play.Who cares about the european viewers.Who cares about the fact i do not speak english.I wil beat everyone and then go back to korea with the $$$$"
If it weren't for mma and mc and grubby i would not have tunes in for this wcs eu which is basicly transforming in wcs na.Two more duckdeok's and wcs eu will have the same viewership as wcs na and the forreign viewership of sc2 wil go lower and lower.
I am very interested if you this angry post too if HuK plays in WCS EU and come into top4/8.
Well, I'm a dummy and probably gonna get warned for posting this, but can't WCS just allow people who reside in the respective region and are sponsored by a specific sponsor that has mostly eus/nas/krs/ on their roosters. I don't really care about the race, nationality or ethnicity, thinking like that is dumb and oversimplistic, but no way people who stay and pracctice and mostly play in one region should be allowed in a regional tournament.
Well there goes my out of place useless rant ( I was lazy enough to not read where it is appropiate to voice my opinion )
"Hmmm...I wonder what he is doing" *Scans main base* "Ah."
Apollo: "AMAZING! What a MAGICAL SCAN!!"
On August 11 2013 22:25 bOneSeven wrote: Well, I'm a dummy and probably gonna get warned for posting this, but can't WCS just allow people who reside in the respective region and are sponsored by a specific sponsor that has mostly eus/nas/krs/ on their roosters. I don't really care about the race, nationality or ethnicity, thinking like that is dumb and oversimplistic, but no way people who stay and pracctice and mostly play in one region should be allowed in a regional tournament.
Well there goes my out of place useless rant ( I was lazy enough to not read where it is appropiate to voice my opinion )
I sympathise, but at least they are locked into one region, so it's not as if someone can practise in KR and also compete in WCS there and then go over to Europe and poach their winnings too. Not too far off though, because they can still compete in any other Korean tournament, but on the other hand, there are probably more EU tournaments than KR so if they want winnings, going to EU is the best option for most anyway.
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Acer.MMA, 
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