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I am extremely happy that Protoss had a good showing in the event. It is great watching so much high quality Toss play.
Also, on the foreigner vs korean topic, who really cares? Don't we all want to watch quality StarCraft? While I agree that it would be nice to have more high quality foreign play, I'd rather not limit the amount of players korea can send to a tournament, if the NA/EU players can't compete with them in the regional level, why would they be able to compete with them on the global level. The GSL is the most watched league in the world, and that is almost exclusively koreans. Why? Because it is high quality StarCraft.
TL;DR:
Grubby hwaiting!
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On August 11 2013 06:05 Dragoonstorm7 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 05:35 theking1 wrote:On August 11 2013 05:28 Dragoonstorm7 wrote:
why do these articles keep portraying duckdeok as the villain??
i mean common guys, he's the youngest guy in the tourney and just plays to win.
he's not just a korean robot also; he smiles during interviews and expresses genuine emotion after big wins. (ie that crazy hold vs lucifron)
so please guys stop trying to make duckdeok a villain just because he was born in korea. because a guy who can not make top 30 in his own country doesn't deserve to be at the world finals.And he does not bring anything to europe either.Scares away the viewership which keeps the competition going.Which means less sponsors for european teams and a small likelyhood of sc2 eu pros.Not to mention the fact that the consolation matches will probably have higher viewership than the main final ok, then if the best players in europe cant top a guy who isnt top 30 in korea, then they dont deserve to be at the world finals either. so your saying that lucifron and naniwa should make the world championships just because they are native to europe, despite the fact that they cant beat a non-top-30 korean? thats BS.
corect.realistically speaking only the top 30 form korea deserve ot be at world finals.Regions such as na and eu are there to give players form those regions a chance to compete and promote sc2 in those regions.And the wcs fails dramatically since players from eu and na are not able to compete hence low viewership and not rpomoting sc2.the number 1 in korea vs the number 100 in korea who only managed to go at finals cause he ran form korea and went to europe and na is not good form a level of play point of view and neither from an entertainment point of view.
Tl DR:this doesnt accomplish anything.neither level of play,neither entertainment
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I hope Grubby wins.
Or M.C.
Grubby winning it and crying live again would make for some great entertainment.
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Come on Grubby, do it for Europe!
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I just don't know if StarCraft can continue to hold my attention. Grubby is the last hope for "Europe?" Jaedong and Jim in the "American" WCS? I love Grubby as much as the next guy, but WCS needs to fix their system.
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Grubby the great white hope!
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I believe in grubby! Mc mentioned in his interview hè thinks grubby has good pvp!
Cmon grubster!
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I still do not understand the problem with WCS system. Maybe it is because i do not consider it as some bs of promoting sc and growing scene. I just consider it as a fine and drawn out qualifier for Blizzcon (or any WCS finals in general).
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I'm rooting for duckdeok because I want to see all the angst.
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THE DARK DUCK RISES!
QUACK
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On August 11 2013 04:58 cablesc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 04:30 theking1 wrote:
Ah duckdeok the typical:"i am a no name korean.I haven't won anythuing notably in korea and probably i will never win anything in my life but i am having a good season now so i am crushing all the foreigners in Europe right now thus lowering the viewership numbers.Next season i probably i wont be around anymore but who cares.There are hundreds of no name koreans waiting to have a good season and take my place.it is not like blizzard is doing anything about it.The fact that i can not make top 50 in korea right now is not my problem.Who cares.Who cares about quality of play.Who cares about the european viewers.Who cares about the fact i do not speak english.I wil beat everyone and then go back to korea with the $$$$"
If it weren't for mma and mc and grubby i would not have tunes in for this wcs eu which is basicly transforming in wcs na.Two more duckdeok's and wcs eu will have the same viewership as wcs na and the forreign viewership of sc2 wil go lower and lower. But but but Europe holds, right?
Uhm, you're from the US, I don't think you should be making fun of EU representation in their own WCS lol. With 5/8 in Ro8 being European they did just fine. How did the US do again in WCS AM Ro8? Oh right, 0/8. It took a Canadian to prevent it from being an all-Asian affair in Ro8 -.-
Happy for Grubby, hope he can beat the duck next round 
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I told you not to sleep on Duckdeok. Not even the best foreigner can take down koreans. MMA vs Duckdeok in the finals calling it.
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I am actually cheering for Duckdeok because wasn't he the one that was sexually abused by GundamWeRRA few years back? If he is, he did a great job overcoming such traumas and making a name for himself.
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Awesome article as always! but Gamescom finals are probably not on July 25?
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Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath.
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On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote:
Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath.
so why didnt you apply the same rules to your quake career and become the best in the world?Oh i forgot its easy to give advice to pros such as Naniwa,Lucifron,Hasuobs,Stephano who do not stream,train 12 hours a day and still barely manage to hold their grounds against koreans.And btw quake 1 was 100% american.Funny that you never had to face serious asian competition.
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On August 11 2013 08:46 Woosixion wrote:
Ok, as a former quakeworld pro (thats quake1) i can tell you a few things foreigners are doing wrong, practice wise.
First and foremost, the overall sentiment of foreign pros is that they are 100% content with just being relevant, and none of them ever expects to be the absolute best, as opposed to korean players such as say, innovation who has been quoted as saying he doesnt care about fans fame or money, just winning and being the absolute best.
Players that readily come to mind are ROOT.CatZ and eg.INcontrol.. these "pros" are more concerned with streaming and being internet celebrities then getting mechanically better. For every 5 minutes incontrol wastes on SoTG talking about mass phoenix or the downfall of idra, he could be spending that time on dargleins trying to shave a few milliseconds off of his double taps. For every few hours catz spends on his stream telling people that infestor-host is a viable unit composition, thats a few hours he could have spent on multitasking trainer, doing something like, trying to beat it on impossible, using no hotkeys.. until he can do it everytime...PERFECTLY.
Rest assured, every korean fringe code S player has wet dreams about becoming the next flash or life or even maru, but whats the most surefire way to make that happen? The answer is much simpler than you may think: make your basic mechanics faster then everyone elses. I bet any amount of money in the world that the speed at which deokduck can 1a2a3a4a is probably much, much faster then grubby, and herein lies the problem, not only are koreans putting in more time, they are putting their time into what truly matters, MECHANICS.
To this day, ive only seen 2 people ever consistently get higher then a 400apm.. dongraegu and life, and at times ive seen dongraegus sit up at 530 before, most foreigners... can barely hit 300, this is a fundamental problem obviously, and duckdeok is just abusing a very simple truth: that the more mechanically sound player will win more often than not. Hes doing relatively simple allins, and executing them near perfection.. knowing the less mechanically oriented foreigners will have a hard time keeping up no matter what.
Its time to wakeup and smell the vespene, foreigners. Stop worrying about fame, how much money you make.. how many viewers you attract and all that nonsense. The koreans put in 10 hours a day? pfft, so? start cutting into your sleep and putting in 18 hours in. Dongraegu has a 500 apm? well.. every one of you need to hit the mulitasking trainer until you have a 600 apm. Girlfriend interfering with practice time? dump that bitch, masturbating only takes 5 minutes and you can jump right back into practice. Friends/Team wants to go out for a drink tonight? Fuck them, every moment you arent practicing innovations apm just jumped up another digit.
To sum it all up nicely, stop being a bunch of lazy underachievers, and start getting fanatical and obsessive.. and going far and beyond what the koreans consider practice. Or retire... i'd rather watch the best of the best then watch the subpar players sloppily move commanding their armies into instadeath.
That doesn't explain why the foreigners who just got knocked out consistently defeated many, many Koreans (including those who just knocked them out) in the previous two rounds. Every RO16 group had a foreigner in first place. This result is just kind of weird, given the rest of the tourney.
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